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Voicelessness and Emotional Survival => Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board => Topic started by: d's mom on April 27, 2005, 09:36:47 PM
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i just got off the phone with a woman from social services..... she was sooooooo nice.
she talked with me for an hour at least...... she had gone out and spoke with delphine and my nfolks after i made a report on them last month.
i reported that she was having nightmares and all of that other stuff and told child protective services everything i knew.
i didnt expect them to go make a home visit after 1 report.... but they did. i wonder if nfolks have any idea who did it. ive shared my concerns with a lot of 'mandated reporters'.. so... ? the reason i made the report was beucase i was advised to by a child abuse place up here. they said they could interview her this summer if i had made a report. hopefully it will be ok.
the lady told me they 'appeared' very charming and delightful <surprise> and insinuated to her that i 'wasnt taking my meds' (ick) but that delphine had told her that she 'missed me' and 'wanted to live with me'. she also told me delphine reported that she 'didnt think that was ever going to happen'. :(
im very heartened by what d. said... she saw her chance to tell someone 'official' her point of view, that she wanted to come home.. im very proud of that. i know it took bravery beucase there would be backlash, if they knew. but she told the lady what she wanted. thats heartening and heartbreaking at the same time :}.
she said delphine appeared gorgeous, intelligent and very well behaved - no surprise.. she denied having thoughts of hurting herself which is hopefully good.. the investigator told me she -was- concerned that she appeared to be excessively interested in 'the dark side' (her words - 'going toward the dark side') and interested in dark things, which i TOTALLY agreed with.
the woman was sooooooooo nice. i usually get a brush off from those kind of folks but she gave me a lot of time. she said she wasnt able to reach me before going there, or she wold have looked more closely for signs of alcohol etc, so i was really bummed about that. as it was they have to close the case, becuase nothing appeared obviously out of place.
HOWEVER she recommended and they agreed to put delphine back into counseling..... so.. if i can start a relationship with the new therapist before they have a chance to fill her up with lies, it might be real helpful toward opening up dialogue and stuff that will help us explain that she truly wants to come home, and that im not a person to be scared of and all that stuff. im sure they will get someone with no ethics who will be in their pocket and all of that....... but, it still could be a foot in the door..
she encouraged me to petition to have their guardianship rescinded... she said that delphine indicated she wanted to live with me, and that it was the 'ultimate goal' to have children with their mother, if there were no issues preventing it. however she told me very honestly she foresaw 'that they would fight' and that they were obviously wealthy and it would be an uphill climb. but she encouraged me to do it, saying at least delphine would 'know i tried'. she also told me that she felt emotional abuse was often a lot worse than overt physical abuse. i really felt she was putting extra energy into it.... she said she saw things of concern and that there were patterns that showed it was likely that the things i said about my family were true..
i wish they could have kept the case open but it was still reassuring that she talked to me so long and put so much energy into it. anyone seeing delphine even one time can see how worth it she is. :) she told me she was very impressed with her.
she asked a lot of questions.... about my childhood and things.. and i really spilled some beans on my family today. i told that lady some things that im very very glad somebody finally knows. i hope it will do some kind of good......... maybe it was the wrong thing to do in that, the more they know people are watching them, the more 'good' they act... and the harder it gets to catch them at stuff.. but also, maybe it will lead to better treatement of d. in the meantime.. (unlikely.. they will just hide what they do most likely) but she told her directly she wants to come home.. even though it was very likely she would have got in trouble if they knew. that means a real lot to me.. and its on record now..
im feeling a lot of different things right now, happy that these people took notice, and also scared of my familys reaction, and also d's reaction if she thinks i betrayed her.. :( :( :(. fear of reprisal. but hope, that i can get a foot in the door with this new therapist. im going to let her think for now, that i dont know who made the report. it was likely to have been her old teacher, that i talk with a lot. im going to kind of steer them toward thinking thats who it was, for right now. otherwise they will use it as an excuse to cut off our communication even more.
i just... really wanted to talk about that... i know this is a safe place to talk..
im all nervous now and feel really weird. im glad i could talk about this here.
thanks everyone/anyone..just for letting me talk.
d'smom
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hmm puzzling well once again, they responded by cleaning up their act... at leats temporarily.
tonight she called =me=, straight at 7:30. no games.
she mentioned nothing about the interview and i didnt either. there was a weird 'vibe' but we kept it light. i realy wanted to ask her her feelings... but didnt.
she said she missed me, which is something she doesnt always say beucase they dont like it. she blurted it out like she was telling a secret. i wonder if she felt braver after telling it to that woman.
it was interesting they responded again by 'straightening up'..... it shows me they feel on some level they have something to lose....
there is little reason why my little ant-efforts should make any impact on their behavior, unless they feel on some level ive got something on them, if only i could use it..
if they do not comply with getting her therapy.... i might use that as an excuse to send in another report.. and tell them this time to specifically ask about signs of alcohol. they are hopeless drunks and that would count against them... its obvious they know they need to straighten up for some reason... or they would just blow me off and keep playing games. :?
poor delphine... thanks for listening.
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Hey, Anna. I wish I could really sit with you and talk. I know how it feels to be so conflicted and have no one to bounce my feelings off of. I am glad you shared here. You have no idea how much reading that helped me today.
Your conflict about saying something and having repurcussions for you daughter with her N grandparents struck a chord with me. And the questions: what is the RIGHT thing to do for your child? I am happy someone listened to D. I am glad that same person listened to you. Even though the case is closed, when you bring it up again, will that woman testify? Or will the therapist testify? I think it's ok to be heartened by this. Ya can't lose em all....is what I am counting on, myself. Maybe it is a sign of better things to come.
I hope you know that I don't think my situation even closely compares with yours, or that my sharing my "whiney/ not that bad" stuff demeans your struggle in any way. ((((((Anna)))))))
Today had been strange for me. My proposal to negotiate with my ex was denied....flatly, by him, so now I must go back to court, yet again. I really wanted my energy to be elsewhere. I am not much into "fighting' and frankly could care less about him reducing his child support. That he hides his income and is laughingly putting forth a ridiculous argument to DENY his CHILDREN money doesn't occur to him. He has always seen it as a ME thing.....
He had a chance to not have to explain his financial shenanigans in court but he is choosing to fight me..... why? I said he could reduce the money if he doesn't stop my relocation after next year. No way.
I had a few real dark moments, realizing he will never "permit' me to leave....and what he counts on is his manipulation of our children so that they will never speak up against him..
And remembering my gut about his lawyer and this judge....something rotten in Denmark....all this took me to a sad state for a while. Your post is helping me move through this though...and pretty soon I will be back to my optimistic old self.
I wonder, though, if this won't end up being the best thing after all. Except for having to keep the same rotten judge who denied my relocation, I fail to see how I will get hurt by this. So I will have to find more creative ways to make money for a while....that's the worst case. More than likely, he will regret this tactic of his. He says he can't work like he used to because I won't let him "make up" the time he misses with the kids....(no, actually that was a court order) but more importantly, my kids don't want to make up the time. I always tell them he wants to see them to make up time lost and they can if they want to...well , guess what they choose!
So my attorney will be filing another motion to get the visitation looked at, also, at this time (as HE says it's part of the money package....hey he opened up the can of worms).
So, Anna, I got to thinking, maybe this is just how it is tumbling out....maybe the kids will finally have a voice (they do with me, but I can't speak for them). I always figure struggles are there for me to learn from...and in this past few years I have really learned a lot about life and myself. But maybe it's not about ME anymore so much, but my children learning and finding their power or their big lesson. I never think my ex will learn....gave that up a long time ago.
I lost some faith tonight....those moments of hopelessness are hard, as you well know. So I am inspired that a glimmer of your dreams got through for you today....I'm going with the "good things ahead" thoughts for you now. Maybe it's the same for me.
Thank you for listening too....and sharing some light.
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Hey, Anna. We were posting at the same time. I am glad
Delphine let that out about missing you. I am convinced mothers can sense things about thier child, energetically, unspoken, and you are probably right about her feelings.
My daughter talked about buying some (not exactly needed) clothes tonight and I told her we may need to cool it for a bit, in case dad wins his case.....she just made a scoffing sound, and I knew exactly what she meant. She has told me before that she thinks he is lying about not having any money. So we don't talk about it much, but I know how she is feeling.
Here's to mothers and daughters.....a connection that can't really be broken.
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Well, I should ammend that last comment.....can't be broken, unless by overt chose, by mother or daughter.....(for all of those women on the board with those screwed up N moms) (((((daughters)))))))
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jeez I need sleep....I meant choice in that last post (I will choose sleep)
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Hi D'smom...OOOH, I know that feeling of fear so well. But just in what you wrote, I feel a glimmer of hope for you. You got a good social worker and now they know "someone" is watching them. I would think they would be paranoid as hell since image is everything to n's. Maybe they'll start thinking that it isn't worth it to make you out to be bad and let D come home??? I hope the counseling keeps the forward path open for you and her. Daughters are so precious. Mine keep me going! Bittles
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D's Mom and Mum:
I since your hopeless and please don't give up. I know it takes a lot of energy. You know what? Your children what not always be children and as you are beginning to realize, they will choose. The N might when a few battels here and there but you will win the war through your children. They will always love you and know who the real "go to " person is.
My thoughts and prayers are with you both as you go through this.
Much love
Patz
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(((((((((d's mom)))))))))) (((((((((mum)))))))))
I have faith that your goodness will prevail and both of you will defeat the evil n's in your lives. Continue to fight (as I know you will) for the lives of your children. You are giving them a legacy of love that they will never forget and forever appreciate.
Brigid
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thanks for all the kindness...didn't mean to hijack, Anna. Hope your day goes well.
mum
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Hi Anna,
What a hopeful post.
Of course they have modified their behavior. Ns are utter slaves to the fear of their public facade being torn down and the world seeing what weak vindictive little freaks they are. The arrogance and anger is just a smokescreen because they're scared little rabbits.
Despite his wealth and power and haughtiness your father is afraid of you and what you know about him.
Since the legal angle seems closed for now, maybe this is your only leverage for the moment. If they try to cut off communication even more they might risk a return of CPS, especially if their retaliation follows close on the heels of the visit.
Your daughter will love you more for trying to help her even if they find out it was you and punish her. Thats why she wants to come home to you now. She knows who loves her and treats her right.
mudpup
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Hey, Anna. I wish I could really sit with you and talk.
me tooooo :( :) !!! > wheres the cocoa/?
I know how it feels to be so conflicted and have no one to bounce my feelings off of. I am glad you shared here. You have no idea how much reading that helped me today.
well.. im glad to hear that but sad you had a hard day... but theres -some- redeeming qualities in it then!! it feels good to be finally able to express myself.. but its =much= much better if its a two-way street for other people ;}} thats why i want to talk instead of just writing a journal or something. ive been alone with my thoughts, too long. so glad anything was helpful.
you know my mom wont talk to me........ i called my brother asking for 'emotional support' and he called me a 'shit mom' (ouch) and got all huffy about he'd 'never be in this position' and how he 'keeps his sh*t together' (but hes a drunk too, covered with tattoos, and does coke and speed and heroin! ) hes way weirder than i am..... (i think ive heard otheres talking about sibling dynamics like this.) so... i get nothing from family... and friends, they believe im outnumbered and since they are not creative problem solvers they see the only solution as giving up. useless!!!! ive had noone to talk with about this for a -long- time.
Your conflict about saying something and having repurcussions for you daughter with her N grandparents struck a chord with me. And the questions: what is the RIGHT thing to do for your child? .......... I think it's ok to be heartened by this.
im very heartened by this. as mudpuppy says.. its a lot about leverage.. ive always known i had it, but havent quite been in a position to use it. they have a lot to hide, and they covered it with this veneer of respectability but, ive just kept chipping away.... mantra = 'water on rock'. water appears to be the weaker force.... but it will wear away a rock, with that subtle gentle unswerving persistance. maybe im finally getting that slip of leverage..... have enough bricks in the wall..:}
im thinking of writing out to all my family, who ive been estranged from all these years, (the neutral ones that just dont know us too well) and laying it all out. not to be sour grapes or whatever but to expand the familys vision of reality. if he begins to think the veneer is really falling apart... he could just jump ship and abandon the whole project. it -is- all about veneer. if they sense they are failing.. they could just bail out before it looks worse for them...........such a poker game. and yes, you are the only people with which to 'bounce thoughts' and i value that just beyond words.
yes, its so difficult to know 'whats right'. i try to think of what i would have wanted.. but that doesnt always work becuase people are so different. at the school - there are rules we go by - one of them is 'always consider how this will affect the childs ultimate growth'.. thats what i try to do. i see this as building the adult she will be.. less than how its affecting her now.. sometimes things hurt short term but are still the best long term.
I hope you know that I don't think my situation even closely compares with yours
i dont think that way, pain is pain, you cant compare.
That he hides his income and is laughingly putting forth a ridiculous argument to DENY his CHILDREN money doesn't occur to him. He has always seen it as a ME thing.....
He had a chance to not have to explain his financial shenanigans in court but he is choosing to fight me..... why?
pathetic need to control you, of course. ongoing unwelcome litigation is a form of stalking. :(
I had a few real dark moments, realizing he will never "permit' me to leave.....all this took me to a sad state for a while. Your post is helping me move through this though...and pretty soon I will be back to my optimistic old self.
well thats good. unforeseen, but happy :}} i know hopelessness and feeling trapped well. its not a good place. being there with friends helps.
I wonder, though, if this won't end up being the best thing after all... So I will have to find more creative ways to make money for a while....that's the worst case. More than likely, he will regret this tactic of his.
he will definitely regret it if it fails to intimidate or harm you and only costs him money (that he says he doesnt have). so what if he gives you less cash.... its inconvenient and selfish but.. its good to feel that theres a 'lid' on the suffering and theres only so much he can do. hes just flailing, not landing all the punches he wants to.
thats a good place to be.
So, Anna, I got to thinking, maybe this is just how it is tumbling out....maybe the kids will finally have a voice (they do with me, but I can't speak for them). I always figure struggles are there for me to learn from...and in this past few years I have really learned a lot about life and myself. But maybe it's not about ME anymore so much, but my children learning and finding their power or their big lesson.
thats how it is, in most of these cases..... its often between two parents and it comes down to 'you against me'........ kind of naturally..... in this case.. its always been about her, saving her, rescuing her, from the fate i knew she would share, having lived it already. i saw myself as damaged, very damaged by those people, and that i swore from time i was very young that i would do better by my children. i wasnt so concerned about 'me' in this although i want to be happy, like everyone... i want my life back, for sure. but im already damaged. i want to save -her- BEFORE she is damaged.
i dont want her to be 40 years old and doing the crap we all are doing. i wanted her to have a chance at life like so many of us are still struggling to have. :( its been difficult, for me understanding what her lesson would be, from going through this with them, what could -possibly- come out of it in the positive for her long term. the only thing i can think is, she will be strong, have convictions, which injustice cements in your mind..... but only if i can get her back and help her heal, put this all in persepctive. if not..i know they have hurt her enough, that without guidance she will not be able to process what they have done.
im an artist and she is my painting. i cant sit by and watch somene rip up the canvas with knives and not do anything. thats what i feel like. her beautiful free self is being desecrated and thats not acceptable. :( im being screwed, but im already screwed. she could stil be saved.
those moments of hopelessness are hard, as you well know. Thank you for listening too....and sharing some light.
thank you for 'talking' with me :} its very nice, to think anything i said might have been helpful without knowing it, so it gives it some redeeming quality. :}
im really sorry you ahve to go back to court. :( :( it is a helpless feeling. i hope he gets stuck in the elevator and misses the damn hearing. !!!!!
((((((mum & famly))))))
anna
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((((((((Anna)))))))))
You really helped me again today...
What you said about his punches not landing where he wants is true, you know. That is a good thing for me to remember. His children are disgusted by his behavoir in this....not that he cares, but soon I feel they will be able to say so. Maybe not to his face, but to someone who can change things.
Thanks for taking so much time to respond, it means a lot. Delphine is a lucky kid, even in her horrible "prison", she has you working diligently to get her out. I love the water on rock....yes! That's it exactly.
I've decided that there will be a happy day for us, when we get what we want and deserve for ourselves and our children and we write HAPPY happy happy posts to each other. What do you say?
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mum im glad you 'hijacked' it keeps me company. im going to start serving food on all my threads. lets see....custard? cocoa? pumpin pie? have a seat. > theres cream.
mudpuppy, brigid, patz, bittles,
thanks for keeping me company. mudpuppy you are right its leverage and i have more than he wants me to. im going to put some real thought into how i can continue to keep building on it. its all ive been working towards, these baby steps might be starting to show fruit .....
bittles .... yes im very encouraged by the social worker. up til now theyve blown me off, beuase "dr n" looks so smooth and i had health probs and it was easy to believe what he says. as time goes by and D. starting to show actual symptoms that support what i say, they are paying more and more attention...... i dont think that he counted on any of that. he thought he would have intimidated us al long ago...... he so in denial, he really thought he could keep it all under wraps.. just control us all with fear.. he's -always- underestimated me. :} hopefully that will be a problem for him...
patz thanks for your encouragement. i appreciate it and i read what you said about that guy at your work and my jaw would have been on the -floor-!!!! what an immature..... well.. so and so. :!: eek.
brigid thank you too for being so kind. i often mis things i wanted to say and didnt get a chance to congratulate you on finishing mediation and treating yourself but i wanted to. <(((brigid)))>
thanks for being on my thread with me. thanks everyone else ive wanted to talk to that for some reason i didnt and made them feel bad since ive been here. ((all))
anna
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You really helped me again today...
i cant tell if youre saying that to make me feel better. :} if its true, im glad. :)
What you said about his punches not landing where he wants is true, you know. That is a good thing for me to remember.
good...
His children are disgusted by his behavoir in this....not that he cares, but soon I feel they will be able to say so. Maybe not to his face, but to someone who can change things.
it sucks, but like you said, being able to say it sucks, and be honest about it is soo much of the battle....
I love the water on rock....yes! That's it exactly.
I've decided that there will be a happy day for us, when we get what we want and deserve for ourselves and our children and we write HAPPY happy happy posts to each other.
im there. sounds good. starting with getting stuck in the elevator. or maybe his lawyer will get shingles......... or........ eaten by rhinoceros...
boy... happy happy... what a thought!!!! almost forgotten what its like..... :shock: happy happy with free choice and light open spaces and noone controlling you. FREE FREE FREE happy days. only then we wont be writing posts hopefully well be out being HAPPY. it would be interesting to think.. what would we be doing if we were free. i can almost feel all the weight lifted off. yep, sure would be nice. someday to be emotionally free again.
it makes me wonder.. how much of those things i can do now.. even though im -not- emotionally free.. if i can just pretend i am......
not sure....
take care mum....
anna
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Anna,
im thinking of writing out to all my family, who ive been estranged from all these years, (the neutral ones that just dont know us too well) and laying it all out. not to be sour grapes or whatever but to expand the familys vision of reality.
Don't lay it ALL out. I've tried. They won't believe you. They won't believe anyone is as evil as your family. Do not lay out a laundry list of the evil they have done you.
Stick to what you have been accused of and ask the neutral ones where the evidence is. Ask them what you have done to deserve losing your daughter. Remind them what they have personaly witnessed about you not what they have been told. Emphasize your only desire is to have your daughter back. Let them know your daughter wants to live with you.
There is tremendous power in the way these creeps have isolated you. It is standard operating procedure for Ns. It is tough to fight once your reputation is wrecked but it is worth the effort.
Just don't trash the N-uts. Part of their defense is behaving so outrageously they can point at anyone who just repeats the facts and discredit them.
Blessings Anna.
mudpup
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Don't lay it ALL out. I've tried. They won't believe you. They won't believe anyone is as evil as your family.
no, i probably wasnt clear what i meant by 'laying it all out'. i dont mean ALLL..... gory details like..
you are right about the laundry list thing... i just want to in a detached way confirm a few suspicions that i know they already have... to get more people 'watching'. to get them to close ranks, and be more inclined to hold him accountable, which i think they would do. im thinking this might be the time to do it, while nfolks are on the defensive somewhat, and feeling scrutinised.
they have no loyalty to him...... they are all relatives of my mother, a close italian family, actually, and are -very- aware of what he did to her with the affair and the divorce... he is -not- well liked.... it wouldnt be any stretch at all for them to realize that there were also other things going on. a lot of them have told me they had suspicions. it was my uncle, my mothers brother, who gave me the $4000 to get that lawyer the first time. i think there is ground there to gain support, if done correctly.
i think this might be a good time, to let them in on some stuff.
Stick to what you have been accused of and ask the neutral ones where the evidence is.....
i agree.. but honestly- i bet they dont even know -that- much about it... our family is so divided, most of these people probably arent even aware this is happening at all.. i havent talked to many of them in 20 years. (he hasnt either)
There is tremendous power in the way these creeps have isolated you. It is standard operating procedure for Ns. It is tough to fight once your reputation is wrecked but it is worth the effort.
Just don't trash the N-uts.
no trashing. no arguing. im not even going to try to talk to anyone that i know supports him, like my brother. with those people, i wont even try. but these others, my mothers relatives, they dont care about bruce or respect what he says... they dont support him, most likely they dont even know whats going on.
the trick is to be very delicate and present it properly, i totally agree with that.
im working on a bit of a story for here too, that will explain some of my family dynamics... its tough to understand whats going on, without having some background. my family structure is fairly unusual... at least compared to what ive seen here... in terms of the extent of the alienation and schisms.... theres a huge amount of just flat noncommunication. our relationships are far more likely to be completely estranged with no communication at all, than to have communiation that is problematic. so theres a big need for opening lines of communiation.
i do agree, not too emotional, not dramatic. but they need to know whats going on in their family, to their relative... why ive been alienated, that it was his doing. i think if they were made aware, they would not approve at all. family is super-important to them.
thanks mudpuppy!
i really enjoyed your grouse story.
anna
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Of course they have modified their behavior. Ns are utter slaves to the fear of their public facade being torn down and the world seeing what weak vindictive little freaks they are. The arrogance and anger is just a smokescreen because they're scared little rabbits.
Despite his wealth and power and haughtiness your father is afraid of you and what you know about him.
Since the legal angle seems closed for now, maybe this is your only leverage for the moment. If they try to cut off communication even more they might risk a return of CPS, especially if their retaliation follows close on the heels of the visit.
Your daughter will love you more for trying to help her even if they find out it was you and punish her. Thats why she wants to come home to you now. She knows who loves her and treats her right.
YUP! I think you got it and articulated just right! Some of us look in the mirror and see only ourselves and some of us see the World of which we are a part ....Bittles
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Hey all:
Hi Anna:
I think this report/case being on the books is a very good thing, even if it is closed. Good for you for bravely making it so. If you or any ally ever makes another report, be sure to ask for this woman, this social worker...specifically. There is a chance she might be put back on the case because she is familiar with it and that would be a real bonus eh?
But they're so disorganized (some of these agencies) that they might not assign the worker who is familiar with the case, unless that is requested.
Mum wrote:
I hope you know that I don't think my situation even closely compares with yours, or that my sharing my "whiney/ not that bad" stuff demeans your struggle in any way.
First of all, Mum, I agree with Anna: pain is pain and yours is just as valid as anyone elses.
Also, you are not whiney when you express how you're feeling, your frustrations, the details of what's going on, you're worries, etc... You are justified and entitled to express those things/feelings...they don't sound like whiney stuff to me..they sound like pain coming out.
Last, your stuff is bad for you and your situation and so the term "not bad stuff" doesn't apply. There is no measure of how deep pain runs so we can't take that reading and say:
"Oh yes, definately. Mum's stuff is not that bad."
((((((Mum))))) (and I hope he doesn't show because he gets his fly stuck to his essentials and has to seek professional help to correct the problem!!! :evil:)
Back to you, Anna....I'm so glad you've found this place and feel comfy about posting. It's so lonely not having anyone to talk to about stuff and good for you...for journalling all that time......to get it on paper and at least...out.
Your daughter is a bright girl and when the chance comes for her to speak up.....she will do that again!!! Keep imagining/pretending/dreaming about the freedom/happiness stuff. It's good. It will give you a break from the stress, which will help you to focus and do your best thinking.....when required. And it's a lovely way to relax for a little while.
I'm with Mum in believing that good things will come and I can hardly wait for those happy days too, Anna. :D :D
GFN
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Oh, ho, ho Anna,
Now I see. I didn't realize the relatives you were talking about were from your dumped mother's side of the family. That's a whole different kettle of fish (or grouse).
If they're a close knit Italian family then they're already nursing a vendetta against this chump. If nothing else, contacting them may regain for you relationships and personal support you have lost over the years.
When Ns start feeling scrutiny they start getting scared, and paranoid of more scrutiny. Even little innocent things they blow out of proportion. Take some time and expand your mind on maybe waging a little low intensity psychological war. Just subtle social pressure maybe. Always make sure they know that any retaliation against delphine will result in more scrutiny of them.
Good luck.
Wasn't there a movie called 'Bruce Almighty' about a guy who thought he was God? Sounds like a biography of your father. I never saw it.
If you liked the grouse I'll have to tell my hornet story someday on the anything thread. I'm afraid I'm the dope in this one though. :oops:
mudpup
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Oh Mud ya gotta see that movie. It's pretttttttttttty funny!
Ok....after dinnes, on the "Anything" thread.....let 'er fly about theeee 'ornets!! :shock: Dying to know all the nitty gritties of it!! :D
Hey Anna:
That sounds like a great idea. Long lost Italian family members. Maybe you'll have someone to talk with about all this, at the very least. I hope that works out for you. That would be really nice! :D
I'm away now 'til Monday.
Enjoy you're weekend all!! 8)
GFN