Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board
Voicelessness and Emotional Survival => Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board => Topic started by: moonlight52 on June 03, 2006, 11:39:45 PM
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1 For one human being to Love another that is the most difficult task,the ultimate,the last test and proof,the work for which all other work is but preparation.
Rainer Maria Rilke
2 When Love calls answer clearly without hesitation or reservation that and that alone is all that is yours to do in this life.Kahilil Gibran
3 The subject tonight is Love and for tommarrow night as well ,as a matter of fact I know no better topic for us to discuss .Hafiz
4 Love is the absence of conditions and expectations ,Love never fails nor falters Love is eternal God is love you are Love.Gangaji
5 King,saint ,thief,madman-love has grabbed everyone by the neck and drags us to God by secret ways.....
how could I ever have guessed that God ,too, desiired us? Rumi
I just like to think being kind is a good thing
PLEASE ADD ONE OF YOUR OWN LOVE QUOTES
Love and Light
Moonlight
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What she (TT) said.
(((((Moon)))))
Hops
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moonlight: 5 King,saint ,thief,madman-love has grabbed everyone by the neck and drags us to God by secret ways.....
how could I ever have guessed that God ,too, desiired us? Rumi
huh? grabbed everyone by the neck and DRAGS us to God by secret ways??? that's LOVE? Please explain this, someone
~RM
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Hey Really,
I think ifyou Google Rumi you'll get a better idea of where he's coming from. He's a Sufi mystic and wonderful poet. He wrote the favorite poem about how your children don't belong to you, they belong to the universe..
Hops
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Thank you for your reply Hops, but I'll pass on looking up info about mystics. That's new age and very much against my beliefs.
RM
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Understood and respected, ReallyMe.
He's not new age, he lived many years ago...but no worries.
Hops
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Ok he isn't New Age per se, but he's Muslim apparently, and that, too is against my beliefs.
Sufism (Persian: صوفیگری Sufi gari, Arabic: تصوف, taṣawwuf) is a mystic sect of Islam. Practitioners of Sufism, known as Sufis, engage in the pursuit of a direct perception of spiritual truth or God, through mystic practices based on divine love. Sufism differs from other branches of Islam in its esoteric rather than exoteric focus.
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Right, Really. I understand you don't want to read something from Islam.
I just like him myself, but it's a free country!
No worries,
Hops
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Not to be a pain, here [which means that's exactly what I'm doing :roll:], but the quote from Rumi is the heart and essence of the book "The Sacred Romance", which is written by a Christian and from a Christian perspective. It, too, is about God's love for us, longing for us, and the often-hidden ways in which that love comes through to us.
I love Rumi, and my respect for him as poet, teacher, and sage opens a way into conversations that otherwise might not occur, with people who are well worth reaching out to.
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Hi Everyone,
I'd echo your praise of Rumi, Stormy, also The Sacred Romance.
Wanted to use a favorite Rumi quotation as my signature quote here, but found it a little long & didn't have the heart to excerpt it:
"Brother stand the pain; escape the poison of your impulses. The sky will bow to your beauty, if you do. Learn to light the candle. Rise with the sun. Turn away from the cave of your sleeping. That way a thorn expands to a rose. A particular glows with the universe."
As often as I read Rumi, the beauty he unfolds always makes me gasp.
Peace,
LoH
PS, edit in, Moon, imo, you're so right about being kind. Maybe it's the best thing. ((((Moon)))) Thanks for starting a lovely thread.
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Another coincidence:
My father's pulmonary physician was a Dr. Rumi from India. On September 12, 2001 he went to the local post office and bought up every last one of the Muslim Ramadan stamps. It was shocking to the clerk who sold him the stamps, mostly because of the timing. When I heard this story, I thought why would he do that NOW of all times? Has he no respect for how people are feeling right now?
Toward the end of my father's life, I met Dr. Rumi because I started bringing my dad to to his appointments so I could help him ask better questions and get better answers. They had a communication problem as my father was from the generation who never questioned doctors and he was a quiet person in general.
Dr. Rumi responded well to my interest and I think the care improved. At one point he referred my father to another specialist (while remaining his primary care physician) for additional treatment that greatly improved his quality of life for several years.
On one visit, I noticed that Dr. Rumi had posted a sign which explained to the patients why he had shaved his head bald--if I remember right, it was the month of Ramadan again and this was one of the rituals involved along with fasting. I thought, why does he always have to put his beliefs right in people's faces? Yes, I really thought that.
A few months before my father died I took him to see Dr. Rumi for what we hoped was pneumonia and not a worsening of the cancer. We brought the x-rays with us and Dr. Rumi looked at them for quite some time. He quietly put them away and started writing down the new information. It took several minutes and I remember feeling suspended in time while we waited. I kind of knew what was coming. It had not escaped my notice that my father didn't ask to see the x-rays as usual and Dr. Rumi did not offer to show them and explain. When he spoke it was very, very respectful and kind. He did use the word pneumonia but only as a way to explain what the cancer was doing to my father's lungs. My father understood for a very few minutes what was really happening but then told himself another version that he could live with. I did not do this with Dr. Rumi's words and it was very very sad to have this knowledge. But I was just blown away by how he told it to us. It left my father with something to hang onto a little longer and it gave me the truth without having to be devastated all at once. The thing that affected me the most was the minutes of silence and his body language as he deliberately put away the x-rays and starting writing while he gathered the right words. I felt very, very respected and even loved.
I haven't really thought about this for a very long. But with the perspective of today, I think I understand better the story of the stamps Dr. Rumi bought and the motivation behind shaving his head and posting an essay about it in his office for Ramadan. For all I know, Dr. Rumi had always shaved himself bald every September. Or maybe he had forgotten his faith until 9/11. He is a doctor. I imagine he understood the tragedy of that day as well as anyone. But for him, Islam was not associated with terrorism, it was associated with how one loves God. Perhaps the tragedy woke him up to that.
I am grateful for the quotes you posted Moon. And the discussion that resulted reminded me of another Rumi who I met in real life. And it reminded me of my own narrow-mindedness. It is so hard to let ourselves out of our own prisons.
I guess this is one reason I love coincidences so much.
Pennyplant
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Hi Thank You for all your replies Please add your own Love quotes if you wish .
Love and Light
Moon
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Hi RM The RUMI quote "love grabs" is a metaphor in no way a physical action.
Love and Light
Moon
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Pennyplant, for months after 9/11 I bought as many of my groceries as possible in little Arab-owned grocery shops near where I worked and lived. I made special trips to some of them just to buy nazook, or coffee. There were about 6 of these shops that I visited faithfully.
I did this because I knew that there would be hate crimes, there would be evil acting out against people who had nothing to do with the 9/11 criminals, simply because they were the same color, the same faith, from the same part of the world, and within reach. So evil begets evil.
I decided to commit 'love speech' as my own personal counterterrorism program. To show support to these people, who were my countrymen and countrywomen too, and whose businesses might have been suffering because of a thing they had nothing to do with, and were just as frightened and hurt by as the rest of us.
I found out that three of the shops were owned by Arab Christian families.
In every shop I was friendly, courteous to the shopkeepers, and looked them in the eyes with love as I bought and paid for my items. I didn't say a word about 9/11. I don't think I had to.
Other Christians I knew kept candlelight vigils outside local mosques overnight for weeks, risking themselves, to protect them from vandals. I couldn't do that, my schedule didn't allow for it, but I did what I could.
Thank you for telling about your own experience - I'm sure Dr. Rumi knew of his namesake.
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Hi Moon,
I think you were kindly asking us to stick to posting quotes about love on this thread....here's one:
Bayard Rustin:
When I say I love Eastland, it sounds preposterous -- a man who brutalizes people. But you love him or you wouldn't be here. You're going to Mississippi to create social change -- and you love Eastland in your desire to create conditions which will redeem his children. Loving your enemy is manifest in putting your arms not around the man but around the social situation, to take power from those who misuse it -- at which point they can become human too.
It's from this website:
http://www.wisdomquotes.com/cat_love.html
love,
Hops
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gotcha, moonlight...the quote doesn't literally mean grab...still not down with the Islam thingy...it's "religion" and ya'll already know my stance on that.
My Pastor explained today that Religion is man's idea of God's expectations
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"We are commanded to love our neighbor: this must mean that we can."
--Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel.
"Where there is faith and love, a solution may be found even to what appears to be a tragic opposition."
--Hasidic scholar and philosopher Martin Buber, letter to M. Gandhi, 24 February 1939
"...live in love, and in the truth, and the love of it; and overcome evil with good;"
--George Fox
"You may call God love, you may call God goodness. But the best name for God is compassion."
--Meister Eckhart
"for it nedith us to fallen, and it nedith us to sen it: for if we felle nowte we should not knowen how febil and how wretchid we arn of ourself; ne also we shuld not fulsomely so knowen the mervelous love of our maker"
[we need to fall; and we need to see it; for if we fell not we should not know how feeble and how wretched we are of ourselves; nay, also we should not so fully know the marvelous love of our maker.]
--Dame Julian of Norwich
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"What we love is what we have time for" - ?
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"Where there is great love there are always miracles."
-Willa Cather
"Love is the difficult realization that something other than oneself is real."
-Iris Murdoch
"The thought manifests as the word. The word manifests as the deed. The deed develops into habit. And the habit hardens into character. So watch the thought and its ways with care. And let it spring from love, born out of concern for all beings."
-Buddha
"Neither a lofty degree of intelligence or imagination nor both together go to the making of genius. Love, love, love, that is the soul of genius."
-Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
This one is especially for you, Moon :)
"The best portion of a good man's life,
His little, nameless, unremembered acts,
of kindness and of love."
-William Wordsworth
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Dear LoH ,I thank thee kindley..............................Iris Murdoch One of my favorite authors
Want to know something silly my hubby is all scientist, so I thought. But he will go off to rent a movie
come home home with most sensitive sweet artsy type film I love. How does he do it?
He then looks up at me like I did good Huh .And I am just amazed at how he knows me so well and cares and its
a little thing to others maybe but it means some thing to us........
But its love at our house....................
Moon
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LOVE LOVE LOVE Thank you TT ,Hops,Stormy,RM.LoH.Penny,Anansi Thank you LOVE LOVE LOVE
8) 8) 8)
Moon
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Moon,
How did you meet this lovely guy?
Hops
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Hops , It was 1969 a antiwar rally at collage campus .I was 17.I went with 2 other 17 year old girlfriends not because our political
views were fully developed I must confess but we were looking for guys.My guy was the college photographer taking photos of the protesters .Two weeks later we were introduced and we stood there they say for 3 or 4 minutes just starring at each other not saying a word .My Greek guy 19, skinny long dark hair well 1/2 Greek 1/2 English.Then we walked to get a soda and he pranced around me like a young deer.very sweet.Then we went to his dark room and developed photos from the rally.
there had been about 250 protester's.My Mr Moon took many photos .To our surprise after about 7 shots there I was 3 close up photos of
me before we had ever met ,out of all those people funny huh 8) what year is man 1969 peace man 8)
Love And Light
Moon
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Thanks moonlight.....
"The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched - they must be felt with the heart."
Helen Keller
seasons
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That's a lovely story, Moon!
Thanks for sharing it.
xo,
Hops
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"Discover the richness of your child's experience."
Richard Grossman
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Thanks Moon for a wonderful thread...
"Love gives naught but itself and takes naught but from itself.
Love possesses not nor would it be possessed;
For love is sufficient unto love."
-Kahlil Gibran
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1 "...If I speak in human and angelic tongues but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal.
2 And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing.
3 If I give away everything I own, and if I hand my body over so that I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It is not jealous, (love) is not pompous, it is not inflated,
5 it is not rude, it does not seek its own interests, it is not quick-tempered, it does not brood over injury,
6 it does not rejoice over wrongdoing but rejoices with the truth.
7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails. If there are prophecies, they will be brought to nothing; if tongues, they will cease; if knowledge, it will be brought to nothing.
9 For we know partially and we prophesy partially,
10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.
11 When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
12 At present we see indistinctly, as in a mirror, but then face to face. At present I know partially; then I shall know fully, as I am fully known.
13 So faith, hope, love remain, these three; but the greatest of these is love..."
1 Corinthians 13:1-13