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Title: Gypsy part of town
Post by: pennyplant on June 22, 2006, 06:36:48 PM
Been listening to a CD my son gave me for my birthday.  Have been listening to it on the new CD player my husband had installed in my car for my birthday as a sort of surprise.  He had hinted ahead of time, but I forgot about it well enough that when I got in my truck after work one day, and turned the key, my favorite CD was playing and I was surprised.

The CD from my son was also a surprise because it had been many months since I mentioned the group Gogol Bordello to my son as one that he might like.  Learned of this group when I visited a website for a movie, Everything is Illuminated, and found they had provided the soundtrack as well as one very interesting actor to play the part of the Ukrainian tour guide who had an all-things-American fixation.  I thought my son might like them because they play "gypsy punk" music, and he likes all kinds of punk music, all kinds of music in general.

My son, on the other hand, thought it was cool that we "discovered" this group only about a week after he himself had already discovered them and found that he liked them.  How great is it when a kid, who wears his hair in blue spikes sometimes and loves to go to punk shows where he can mosh, also happens to have parents who can occasionally recommend a very fine gypsy punk band to him and his friends?

So, I've been listening to this CD everyday now and just loving it.  There is a line in one of the songs--

You are the only light there is, for yourself, my friend

The lead singer sings it in what some might call broken English.  Just hollers it out.  All the lyrics are sung with this strong Ukrainian/Russian/Eastern European accent.  He sings "dere" for "there", "de" for "the", or leaves out "the" entirely.  One line he sings "pick-ed it up," three syllables instead of two.  He uses English words in combinations a native speaker wouldn't use.  And just belts it out anyway.

How did he know it was okay to sing like this?  Why does he choose to express himself anyway, imperfections and all?  Almost emphasizing the imperfections.

Why do I like gypsies so much?  I was remembering that gypsies have been a theme my whole life for me.  I often have dressed up as a gypsy for Halloween.  Even as an adult.  It is so easy.  Just take any ruffley, gaudy, skirts, shirts, stuff, and throw it together.  You can't go wrong.  A black wig for those with color-challenged hair, some exotic makeup and jewelry, and you're off.

When my sister and I were kids, we would have penny carnivals in our backyard.  Spend a couple days with a couple friends setting up the typical games and putting up signs around the block.  Kids actually came to these things!  And spent their money to visit the haunted house and play bean bag toss and have their fortune told by me dressed as a gypsy.  We did this probably three times altogether.  My mother was probably thrilled that we were doing something outdoors that only required her to make some cold spaghetti worms and jello brains.  We had to clean up afterwards ourselves.

I told the fortunes inside our green pup tent with a ball covered in foil as my crystal ball.  I made them up of course, me not actually having any ESP.  But I have always loved the idea of being able to tell the future.  Maybe it appealed to my sense of safety at the same time as the crazy get-up appealed to my sense of freedom.  It was also a very empowering activity.  We did it all ourselves, the adults cooperated gratefully, we had happy kids in our backyard giving us money.

So, here I am, a little Irish/German gypsy, age 45, and listening to punk music in my car and having all these feelings.  I want to tell all the adults I know--listen to Gogol Bordello!!!!  Listen to punk music, it is so freeing, so emotional, come to the gypsy part of town, like the song says.  Have a voice, hear a voice, who cares if he mispronounces it, who cares if he throws in a little Spanish and a little Russian and you really can't translate it exactly, the feelings are right there to be heard.  You are the only light there is, for yourself, my friend.

But.....I won't tell anybody about my gypsy punk CD.  Well, except for the VESMB.  I don't even show people pictures of my kids anymore.  Someone always laughs at the spiked hair and says, oh, is your son a porcupine?  Did he stick his finger in a light socket?  Har, har, har.  They don't even see the light shining out from his happy face.  It's right there though.

What have I learned from the times when I try use my voice?  That regular people don't really respect what they don't really understand.  I have learned that lesson many, many times from childhood on.  Life often goes better when other people are not impacted in ways that require extra effort on their part.  Life goes better if I shut up!  But shutting up doesn't really work either.  Everything gets tangled up in that and not enough gets out there to connect with people who are open to connection with someone like a little, red-haired gypsy.

That is what I learned as a little girl.  Now my task is to learn what I want to say and how I want to say it and who I want to say it to.  I have to be my own light.  I have to empower myself like I sometimes was able to do as a little girl.  Just by chance it seems, but, still, it did happen sometimes.

I don't think I asked any serious questions in this post.  Perhaps some questions are implied, though.  If anybody finds them--yay!  Let me know!  And share the answers!!

I have been reading the other threads this week but haven't posted much because I'm working overtime again and have been tired.  But while I was napping a little while ago, I thought I better go with my thoughts on this particular idea before I forget what I wanted to say.  And it's kind of related to Hops' thread on times when we've felt empowered.  So, perhaps I'm not as out there as it may seem  :wink: from this post.

Pennyplant
Title: Re: Gypsy part of town
Post by: Hopalong on June 22, 2006, 08:30:48 PM
PP,
This is WONDERFUL.

Every word. Thank you for this gift, this beautiful story.

You are brilliant to see your inner gypsy and your precious son and the punk singer and the neighbor children and the grateful parents all in the same loving but very clear light.

Outrageous that someone as imaginative and inspirational as you should ever be lonely. At ALL.

I think you belong at poetry readings and creative groups of some kind...theater, local festivals, comedy, I dunno...but I do know THERE IS PLACE FOR YOU THERE IS SPACE FOR YOU!

Hugs,
Hops

Title: Re: Gypsy part of town
Post by: pennyplant on June 22, 2006, 08:39:20 PM
I think you belong at poetry readings and creative groups of some kind...theater, local festivals, comedy, I dunno...but I do know THERE IS PLACE FOR YOU THERE IS SPACE FOR YOU!

Comedy?   :lol:  I am often funny by accident  :lol: .

It's good to think I belong someplace.  Maybe I'll find that place soon!  Thanks, Hopsy!!

PP
Title: Re: Gypsy part of town
Post by: gratitude28 on June 22, 2006, 09:21:13 PM
OOOhhh Penny,
I love this post. Gosh, the penny carnival sounds like so much fun. How cool would it be to make a crystal ball. I LOVE that sort of thing. I also think it's great that you let your child be himslef and express himself. It sounds as if he were mature that he can take your advice even though parents are the uncoolest people in the world. Also, I plan to check out Gogol Bordello... soundsl ike something I would love. I lived in Russia for a bit... speak Russian fluently... the music sounds right up my alley. We liek the Gypsy Kings too... I'm sure you've listened to them.
Thanks for an awesome post!
Love, Beth
Title: Re: Gypsy part of town
Post by: penelope on June 22, 2006, 09:47:25 PM
happy birthday pp-gypsy  :)

it's great to feel free, I do agree
Title: Re: Gypsy part of town
Post by: pennyplant on June 22, 2006, 10:00:13 PM
Oh, Beth, I do need to listen to Gypsy Kings, I haven't yet!

Thanks, Pen.  This birthday was a fairly painless one--I tell everyone I'm halfway to 90....

PP
Title: Re: Gypsy part of town
Post by: mum on June 22, 2006, 11:43:36 PM
LOOOVE Gypsey Kings....just love them. Got to see them once quite a while ago....even great in concert...
Title: Re: Gypsy part of town
Post by: pennyplant on June 23, 2006, 10:19:22 AM
Thank you, Moon.  I'm glad you enjoyed it.  I really am working on being my own light.

PP
Title: Re: Gypsy part of town
Post by: lightofheart on June 25, 2006, 10:34:46 AM
Hi Pennyplant,

Wow, I loved this story, Pennyplant, and all the pictures of you here, from little PP squinting into the crystal ball to you shouting out in your car along with the gypsy punk band. (Excellent gift givers, btw, your family!). There is such a kind eye that glows through your posts and stories. And everything you've posted about people telling the story of themselves. You really made me think about the vulnerability and generosity involved in that, the trust in sharing. I'm really glad to hear more from you and about your life.

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My son, on the other hand, thought it was cool that we "discovered" this group only about a week after he himself had already discovered them and found that he liked them.  How great is it when a kid, who wears his hair in blue spikes sometimes and loves to go to punk shows where he can mosh, also happens to have parents who can occasionally recommend a very fine gypsy punk band to him and his friends?
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imho, it's awesome. I bet it's something he'll brag about, now and/or later. "My parents are so cool_____" Bet it's a long list, too.  :D

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How did he know it was okay to sing like this?  Why does he choose to express himself anyway, imperfections and all?  Almost emphasizing the imperfections.
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Maybe because he believes and lives this: You are the only light there is, for yourself, my friend, and takes his power from that individuality, and he loves the light inside him, which is his gift to share, so the best and only thing he can do is sing his heart out. That's his language. I'm with you Penny; the best music expresses a feeling, makes a connection, and, has much more to do with what the singer pours out, and how I relate to that passion, than the actual words or accents or 'quality' of the voice. My H. is a blues musician, music and musicians constant at home...we'd both take someone who sings from the gut over 99% of 'pop' music.

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But.....I won't tell anybody about my gypsy punk CD.  Well, except for the VESMB.  I don't even show people pictures of my kids anymore.  Someone always laughs at the spiked hair and says, oh, is your son a porcupine?  Did he stick his finger in a light socket?  Har, har, har.  They don't even see the light shining out from his happy face.  It's right there though.
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Well, thank you for telling us. imho, it was awfully kind of you not to toss some some un-giggly questions back or open a can of whupping home truth on these folks. Like, Were you raised by wolves? Or, Guess that career in diplomacy didn't pan out? Yes, his hair's pretty cool, and one thing it's taught us is how often people judge others based on nothing more than looks; sad, isn't it?

I'm sorry this happened, Pennyplant. Sounds hurtful. At the very least, these people should have seen the light shining out from your proud Mom's face. How do people 'grow up' and not know better than this? You're right, it's their loss for not seeing his good heart on his face. One irony: he's a teenager, and I bet he's already learned more openmindedness than the snickerers.

Or, as you put it so well:

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What have I learned from the times when I try use my voice?  That regular people don't really respect what they don't really understand.  I have learned that lesson many, many times from childhood on.  Life often goes better when other people are not impacted in ways that require extra effort on their part. 
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For what it's worth, I'm very glad you're not shutting up, here or anywhere. Maybe these 'regular people' are really threatened by what they don't understand? Maybe, for all their insensitivity and how that feels, there is also a compliment in their unspoken implication, "Hey, Pennyplant, you don't fit in on my narrow little path. What do you want me to do, broaden my horizons?"

imho, you're the lucky one, Penny. 'Cause your path would make room for gypsies and punks and all sorts of imaginative and unusual folks that might make 'regular people' (aka, folks less accepting/interested in connecting than you) nervous or defensive.

Hope you'd had many excellent naps since you wrote this? (wish we had a snoozing emoticon...)

Best,
LoH

PS- meant to tell you forever how much I like your quote line, PP. imho, one of the best films.
Title: Re: Gypsy part of town
Post by: Stormchild on June 25, 2006, 10:55:14 AM
PP, you're genuinely embracing diversity[/b]. Something all the snickerers get sent to management training to learn how to pay lip service to, without actually ever having to do it.

Isn't it amazing how everything, everything! seems to get co-opted and phonified by 'normal people'???!!!

You rock, lady.

PS - ya want gypsy? Try a French guitarist named Bireli LaGrene... ain't punk, but neither was Django Reinhardt, and he was Gypsy too!

http://www.hotclub.co.uk/html/berelli.html

http://www.lagrene.com/biography.htm [you will love the use of language here and the love behind it, PP]

http://www.hotclub.co.uk/ :-) :-) :-) [this one is Django]

Title: Re: Gypsy part of town
Post by: pennyplant on June 25, 2006, 04:40:33 PM
Hi LoH,

Thanks for your ideas.  And the compliments!  It feels good to have positive feedback, rather than being accused of being weird!

You know, there were many times over the years that I was so hurt by people's selfish comments about something as superficial as my kids' hair.  The mother bear thing I guess.  Plus, so many memories from childhood when kids were just so vicious and insulting to me far too often.   I just wanted to punch some of these people.  Maybe that is why I never had a pointed comment to respond with!  Just too angry for words sometimes!  My youngest would always say, Mom, it doesn't bother me, don't worry about it.  And he really doesn't think too much about other people judging him.  If people are blatently disrespectful and annoying, he will say something very cutting.  He's pretty quick on his feet sometimes.  He can handle it just fine.  I have seen people just look at him with joy on occasion.  Once we walked into a restaurant and a very elderly man saw his hair and got this huge grin on his face and grabbed my son's arm to stop him so he could look at the hair.  It seemed like it made him happy or something to see such surprising hair.  That was fun.

I've learned a lot from my kids over the years.  I've probably learned more from them than from all the adults who tried to "mold" me when I was growing up.

This punk singer, I wonder if he had parents who didn't stifle him and his creativity while growing up.  Not everybody is lucky to have adults around who nurture creativity.  I know I didn't have anybody like that.  In a way though I'm sometimes grateful that I was ignored so much.  At least if nobody was paying any attention to me, I was free to let it flow without criticism or "guidance."

I remember my short career as a musician while growing up.  In school we had a little assembly as introduction to the music program.  The instrumental teacher was recruiting interested students.  When they asked me what I would like to play, my answer was quick--the violin.  Well, I guess he wasn't a string teacher.  He talked me into clarinet.  Did that for a couple years and it didn't really make me feel alive or anything.  I liked rock music.  So, in fifth grade when the teacher asked me out of the clear blue sky if I would like to switch to another instrument, I said, yes, the drums.  That might have been pretty cool as my father played drums all through school.  But that wasn't what the teacher had in mind.  He needed an oboe player.  So, that is what I switched to.  Oboe is pretty hard if you have very little hands, and I didn't enjoy it much at all.  So, I asked to switch back to clarinet.  To make it interesting, one day I worked out how to play a song by ear.  I did write down the notes.  But it started out by ear.  I was so amazed that I did this that I brought it to my next music lesson and played it for the teacher.  He was not impressed and said that wasn't really the right way to do it.  How easy it is to shut a kid right down.

By sixth grade I decided to quit playing an instrument.  I didn't really expect my parents to allow this and, in fact, I do wish they had made me try it a couple more years until I was able to play better music or could have switched to violin (as the junior high had strings).  But no, I had only to ask if I could quit and I no longer played an instrument.  My parents didn't like for us to do extra things because it might mean they'd have to go to more concerts or buy better instruments.  So, that was that.  Nipped in the bud.

No wonder I couldn't wait to be a grown up!

LoH, do you play any instruments or otherwise have musical ability?

Pennyplant
Title: Re: Gypsy part of town
Post by: pennyplant on June 25, 2006, 05:03:51 PM
Hi Stormy,

Thanks for the websites--I found a place where they have 5 free MP3 downloads  :D !  Lots of new things to learn about.

PP, you're genuinely embracing diversity[/b]. Something all the snickerers get sent to management training to learn how to pay lip service to, without actually ever having to do it.

Isn't it amazing how everything, everything! seems to get co-opted and phonified by 'normal people'???!!!

I have to say, that I prefer not to be phonified (great word, Stormy!) even if it means some extra alone time.  Meaningful connections are much more satisfying than all the surface stuff and materialistic lifestyles that so many are drawn to.  I suppose they can't help the way they were made to live their lives.  Just a path I'd prefer to avoid now that I am feeling more confident on my own path.

One of the songs on my CD goes like this:

Of course there is no us and them
But them they do not think the same
It's them who do not think...
They never step on spiritual path
They paint their faces so differently from ours
And if you listen closely
That war it never stops
Be them new Romans
Don't envy them my friend
Be their lives longer
Their longer lives are spent
Without a love or faithful friend
All those things they have to rent

Maybe I will get to go see Gogol Bordello in person some day.  It's gotta be great live if the CD is so great.

Thanks again, Stormy, for all the new places I can go!  I just love the internet  :) .

Pennyplant
Title: Re: Gypsy part of town
Post by: lightofheart on June 27, 2006, 01:25:46 PM
Hi Pennyplant,

What you wrote here really made me think about the effect of stifling on children and, ultimately, the adults we do and don't become because of it. One example for me: grew up in a house where compliments meant trouble with my F., bullseye on your back. So we all learned the hard way to stifle them. Now I do the opposite. Have met people who questioned my sincerity due to it..hurt my feelings the first few times. Then took a step back and said, so write 'Shameless Complimenter'' on my tombstone. Cool with me.

Like you said:

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How easy it is to shut a kid right down.
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Easy, and hurtful. I wish the teacher had set you loose on the drums, Pennyplant; can just see you wailing away with your hair afly, lost in rhythm. The real guiding hands, imho, the inspiring hands, come from parents like you who choose not to pass that baton, who opt for a different path than the one they were steered to as children. I bet it's no accident that a child who would transcribe a song by ear, just for fun (wow!) would, as an adult, help create a family and household where music is embraced.

BTW, what is it about clarinets? My H. is also a would-be drummer who got stuck with clarinet. The freakin' clarinet, as he says.

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My youngest would always say, Mom, it doesn't bother me, don't worry about it.  And he really doesn't think too much about other people judging him.  If people are blatently disrespectful and annoying, he will say something very cutting.  He's pretty quick on his feet sometimes.  He can handle it just fine.  I have seen people just look at him with joy on occasion.  Once we walked into a restaurant and a very elderly man saw his hair and got this huge grin on his face and grabbed my son's arm to stop him so he could look at the hair.  It seemed like it made him happy or something to see such surprising hair.  That was fun.

I've learned a lot from my kids over the years.  I've probably learned more from them than from all the adults who tried to "mold" me when I was growing up.
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Very lucky thing, I think, that the world has more shiny folks like your son and the man who loved his hair than the snickerers. Maybe the fact that you and your H. aren't out to 'mold' him (doing unto your son positively), helps him feel free to go his own way? I'm with your son, PP. Meanspirited comments about me or, worse, my family, bring out my uncivil tongue. Once at a party, told a nasty yuppie, 'Excuse me, but I'm pretty sure God didn't put me here to take sh&% from snotty strangers'. My H. spit out his drink.

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This punk singer, I wonder if he had parents who didn't stifle him and his creativity while growing up.  Not everybody is lucky to have adults around who nurture creativity.  I know I didn't have anybody like that.  In a way though I'm sometimes grateful that I was ignored so much.  At least if nobody was paying any attention to me, I was free to let it flow without criticism or "guidance."
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My H. also grew up mostly ignored, Pennyplant. The youngest, treated as an afterthought by both Ps. Such a gifted musician, can play anything he wants, but they almost never came to his concerts. On the other hand, his older sibs had violent experiences with his Ps, and there's still much anger in those relationships. H. feels lucky for the free rein he had. Despite a music scholarship, his Ps tried to force him to become a business major in college. He was so unused to input from them, he had no trouble saying hell, no.

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So, in fifth grade when the teacher asked me out of the clear blue sky if I would like to switch to another instrument, I said, yes, the drums.  That might have been pretty cool as my father played drums all through school.  But that wasn't what the teacher had in mind.  He needed an oboe player.  So, that is what I switched to.  Oboe is pretty hard if you have very little hands, and I didn't enjoy it much at all.  So, I asked to switch back to clarinet.  To make it interesting, one day I worked out how to play a song by ear.  I did write down the notes.  But it started out by ear.  I was so amazed that I did this that I brought it to my next music lesson and played it for the teacher.  He was not impressed and said that wasn't really the right way to do it.  How easy it is to shut a kid right down.

My parents didn't like for us to do extra things because it might mean they'd have to go to more concerts or buy better instruments.  So, that was that.  Nipped in the bud.

No wonder I couldn't wait to be a grown up!

LoH, do you play any instruments or otherwise have musical ability?
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My musical career hit the skids in 5th grade, too. Played the flute, not very well, but loved it. In our town, had the same band director from 5th grade - HS. He switched me to the end of the flute row, meaning next to him near the edge stage, more exposed to the audience. That's how it felt to me, exposed. Rehearsals were fine, but I was self-conscious/nervous at concerts and made more mistakes. Kept asking if I could be switched back to the middle, BD kept saying no. In 7th grade, made the mistake of asking him at the end of rehearsal, quietly. He made a loud comment about my looks in front of everyone (maybe 100 kids). The boys especially broke out in catcalls, hooted. I was mortified, red-faced, wanted to sink through the floor. The first day of HS tried one last time, went to his office, explained about the nervousness; Please can I sit in the middle? I'll play better in the middle.' BD's answer: As long as it's my band, you'll sit where I tell you. And I don't want to hear another word about it! I said Okay, I hope you have a good year, Mr. D. and left, quit band for good. My H. is the only person I've ever told why. Called Mr. D. 'The Nurturer'.

Any chance you might take up the drums now, Pennyplant, all grown up? Can picture your family listening with big smiles.

Best to you,
LoH

PS- My hubby's bumper sticker= God Bless the Freaks! My family, so full of 'oddballs' no one ever saw themself as odd  :lol: over this.
Title: Re: Gypsy part of town
Post by: pennyplant on June 27, 2006, 09:36:12 PM
Hi LoH,

The freakin' clarinet!  I love that.  My son started to want to play the clarinet.  I couldn't believe it.  He said he wanted to play whatever instrument makes the sound of the adults' voices on the Charlie Brown cartoons.  How funny is that?  I told him I didn't think it was a clarinet and that it sounded like a trumpet or other brass instrument with a mute in it.  So, he picked trombone.  Had a ball with it as a couple good buddies also chose t-bone.  Had the best teacher in the world until 10th grade when the school district decided to make him take early retirement.  What a loss that was!  My son tried one more year with the other teacher who he knew he wouldn't like (pompous) and then that was it.  At least he had all those good years, though, and many good memories.

Yes, I have been tossing around the idea of learning either the drums or the violin.  For a few years I've been trying to imagine myself playing one or the other.  Lack of confidence has held me back.  I worry about going to the expense of getting an instrument and then never really following through, or being really bad at it, or not finding a teacher who will take on an adult.  I don't remember how to read music anymore.  That negative tape!!!  So, I'm working on telling myself why not?  People do worse things with money than buy a violin for a few hundred dollars.  Drums might be really affordable as I'm sure I've seen practice sets that are small enough for your lap.  It might be fun to be a 45 year-old drummer.  We shall see what kind of progress I can make in this particular lifetime.

Have you ever gone to a concert in the park and seen the kids just dancing away up front?  Then there is always one adult who also gets carried away with the music.  Arms and legs flying.  And somebody in the audience makes a comment about them looking spastic or something.  But the dancer doesn't hear it and probably wouldn't care anyway.  To be that in the moment and that outside of my self-imposed inhibitions would be so wonderful.  I still seem to be caught up in that invisible audience of the teenage years.

"Excuse me, but I'm pretty sure God didn't put me here to take sh&% from snotty strangers."  I think I just might have to cross-stitch that one for my wall!  I would have loved to see the look on H's face!  And the yuppie too now that I think about it  :lol: .

I give you a lot of credit for trying so hard to get the cooperation of your idiot music teacher in order to continue with the flute.  I just don't understand how someone like that could be drawn to the music biz in the first place.  He must have turned off many other students over the years too.

My mother always told me how much she wanted to join chorus.  But when she tried out she didn't make it.  The reason?  She sang too quietly.  Not that she couldn't sing well, because I know she could.  She was a car-radio singer all my life.  Just that she was too quiet.  I would think that with experience and confidence the volume would have gone up naturally.  And so what if it didn't.  Let the girl sing.  She never forgot that.

Thanks for your comments, you shameless complimenter!  I like talking about this topic.

Pennyplant
Title: Re: Gypsy part of town
Post by: Hopalong on June 27, 2006, 11:30:03 PM
It's a sad and wonderful topic.
Sad that children get shunted away from something they create so intuitively and without shame...(I am VERY much in favor of people with "bad voices" singing up a storm, etc....)

Wonderful that you're looking at it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What better example of rejecting voicelessness than to make MUSIC!

LoH, PP...you are definitely reminding me that I really do want to get myself a harmonica.

I think I could play myself to sleep at night....
 :)

Hops
Title: Re: Gypsy part of town
Post by: pennyplant on June 28, 2006, 01:15:19 PM
You mean the harmonica doesn't make you hyperventilate?  They always made me feel a little light-headed  :shock:

Pennyplant
Title: Re: Gypsy part of town
Post by: Hopalong on June 28, 2006, 02:20:57 PM
Oh. I thought that feeling was sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeepy!  :lol:

Just kidding. I just find the sound very peaceful, the old-cowboy-at-the-campfire-in-Montana kind of sound. Not rocky-blues, so much....just oooooold things, like "Oh Shenandoah" played slowly...

(I adore blues, but that's not the kind of playing I want to do on the harmonica, though I'd love to learn blues piano)

haven't tried the blues harp as a sleeping method yet!

Hops
Title: Re: Gypsy part of town
Post by: pennyplant on June 28, 2006, 02:36:09 PM
I work with someone whose son used to tell people (when he was about three), "Me and my dad like to play the blooooooooz!"  His dad is a very good blues harmonica player who even teaches it to others once in awhile.  So, maybe that little guy really will play the blooooooooooz someday!

Harmonicas are pretty cheap compared to a full drum set or a violin.  I think you're on the right track, Hopsy!!

PP
Title: Re: Gypsy part of town
Post by: lightofheart on July 01, 2006, 06:51:55 PM
Hi Pennyplant,

I like talking about this topic, too. Makes me  :D :D :D Thank you for singing the first note here, and drawing us in with gypsies.

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It's  :lol: funny. Told my H., he said it's no coincidence that the funniest reason anyone ever had to play the clarinet turned out to be about the trombone.

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So, I'm working on telling myself why not?  People do worse things with money than buy a violin for a few hundred dollars.  Drums might be really affordable as I'm sure I've seen practice sets that are small enough for your lap.  It might be fun to be a 45 year-old drummer.  We shall see what kind of progress I can make in this particular lifetime.
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Keep telling yourself why not, please. imho, you're already making excellent progress this lifetime. And Hops, do get that harmonica! I'm thinking about the piano. Maybe one day we could be a Child-at-Heart Trio...technically imperfect, but legendary for enthusiasm?

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Have you ever gone to a concert in the park and seen the kids just dancing away up front?  Then there is always one adult who also gets carried away with the music.  Arms and legs flying.  And somebody in the audience makes a comment about them looking spastic or something.  But the dancer doesn't hear it and probably wouldn't care anyway.  To be that in the moment and that outside of my self-imposed inhibitions would be so wonderful.  I still seem to be caught up in that invisible audience of the teenage years.
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imho, it's a sin to make fun of anyone's dancing; innocent expressions of joy are sacred. Shame on the teacher who said that to your Mom! (maybe he'll hobnob in the afterlife with Mr. D.) These silencing/negative tape mentions remind me of the Mark Twain quote: Dance like nobody's watching; love like you've never been hurt; sing like nobody's listening; live like it's heaven on earth.

Re. adults and dancing,  Mon. night my H. plays the best gig of the year, I absolutely love it. Wish I could take you, PP; I know you'd have a ball. We take a boat out to this little island just off the coast, maybe 300 people live there. Everyone brings folding chairs and the band sets up on the town dock, with the sun setting over the ocean behind them. The whole island comes, toddlers to dodderers, and everyone who can dance does, in groups and circles, bouncing up the aisles, 80-year-olds with canes; dogs, too. People shout along with the songs they know and make up words to the ones they don't. The 1st year we moved here, from a huge (and especially unfriendly) city, I must've teared up half a dozen times out of sheer joy. Five years later, I still bring the tissues.

Happy, happy Fourth of July to you and your family, Pennyplant. Hope you have much sun and fun and most excellent music!

LoH

PS- The snotty woman at the party? Two hours later, she came over and thanked me for what I said. Said I'd done her a favor, that she worked 18 hour days (same huge newspaper as my H.) with people who were mostly even snottier than her and sometimes she forgot to hear herself. I was  glad to have a chance to apologize...felt bad as soon as I said it; pretty snotty of me to call her snotty! I'm an ex-reporter, we wound up trading freaky newsroom stories and drank a shot of tequila together. :shock:

Title: Re: Gypsy part of town
Post by: pennyplant on July 05, 2006, 08:54:50 PM
Keep telling yourself why not, please. imho, you're already making excellent progress this lifetime. And Hops, do get that harmonica! I'm thinking about the piano. Maybe one day we could be a Child-at-Heart Trio...technically imperfect, but legendary for enthusiasm?

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Re. adults and dancing, Mon. night my H. plays the best gig of the year, I absolutely love it. Wish I could take you, PP; I know you'd have a ball. We take a boat out to this little island just off the coast, maybe 300 people live there. Everyone brings folding chairs and the band sets up on the town dock, with the sun setting over the ocean behind them. The whole island comes, toddlers to dodderers, and everyone who can dance does, in groups and circles, bouncing up the aisles, 80-year-olds with canes; dogs, too. People shout along with the songs they know and make up words to the ones they don't. The 1st year we moved here, from a huge (and especially unfriendly) city, I must've teared up half a dozen times out of sheer joy. Five years later, I still bring the tissues.

Went online a few days ago and looked up violins.  I'm thinking it's do-able.  There is all kinds of info regarding the parts of the instrument, how to stand and hold it, quality, etc.  Four strings--doesn't seem so overwhelming to me afterall.  I expected to be mystified and overwhelmed by the info as it has been over thirty years since I have done anything musical besides listen.  But I could feel a little pull.  I think it might still be in there somewhere.  So, maybe that will be my Christmas present this year.

Your Fourth of July concert--how I wish every community could experience this kind of open joy.  Where I live, everyone is so very inhibited.  Maybe that is the explanation for such narrow-mindedness in the presence of those who will dance.  It gets under the skin to see someone being free right in front of those who feel imprisoned.  Strikes too close to their hurting hearts.  So much healing to do in this world!

I really appreciate your stories and viewpoint, LoH.  And I bet we can get people to dance to the music our trio will play.  Or at least some foot-stomping and hand-clapping.  They can really let it out at our concerts!!! 

Pennyplant
Title: Re: Gypsy part of town
Post by: lightofheart on July 07, 2006, 12:38:18 PM
Hi Pennyplant,

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I really appreciate your stories and viewpoint, LoH.  And I bet we can get people to dance to the music our trio will play.  Or at least some foot-stomping and hand-clapping.  They can really let it out at our concerts!!!
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Right back at you, PP. imho, you do much thoughtful exploring in your posts, learning and sharing as you go; you always get me thinking just reading along. I'm a sucker for writers who toss out surprises, and your posts are rich with new-ground ideas. Also, you do a heckuva job storytelling and setting a scene...I think your gifts there'd be the envy of half the fiction folks in my writers group.

Maybe we could invite the crowd to dance on stage, like Queen Latifah does. Reminds me of the band Saffire, The Uppity Blues Women, also a trio. They all had day jobs till their 40s or 50s, then started making albums and touring, mostly as Grammas. imho, got to hand it to gals who can turn menopause into a wailing, must-dance song. Wild Women Don't get The Blues, indeed!

I hope you do get a violin if it keeps pulling...maybe you'll start dreaming in songs, puzzling out new compositions in your sleep. And there's no reason you couldn't learn violin and drums, if you want. Here's to your creative doability, and wings for the trip!

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LoH
Title: Re: Gypsy part of town: THANK YOU PENNYPLANT
Post by: Stormchild on November 22, 2006, 04:28:50 PM
Thank You PennyPlant!

My new but already very used copy of Underdog World Strike :-)  is presently on its way out of state in a friend's car CD player. :-D

I have not seen these folks in a couple of years. I went to visit them before the TG holiday, and when we went to lunch I drove, and insisted they listen to a couple of tracks -- starting with track 15, the mostly instrumental one, and then backing up to track 12. We never got to the one that has a bit of Schubert's Unfinished Symphony in it as a 'jazz break', so I loaned them the CD to listen to on the road.

Tickled pink, they were, by the lyrics, including the Ukrainian accented dirty English words :oops: which fortunately I warned them about ahead of time,

and very impressed by the excellent musicianship.

Even more tickled they were when I handed them the CD and said, "Here, have some Road Music, drive on spiritual path!!!! Just please bring back, it is the only copy that I have, for myself, my friends!"

Pplant, if you hadn't posted about these guys, I would never have discovered their music, and it made a pleasant visit so much fun. Thank you!!!!!

Added on edit: BTW - they did ask how on earth I found out about this group, and I told them - from someone in one of my online discussion groups ;-)

... thought you'd like to know: goodness travels.
Title: Re: Gypsy part of town
Post by: pennyplant on November 22, 2006, 07:59:32 PM
Stormy, I like your friends already and I haven't even met them!  They seem to have very good taste in music and friends.

Thanks for bringing up the thread again.  I haven't read it over again in quite awhile.  It's funny to read about my son and his spiked hair again.  Just yesterday he was in the bathroom shaving his head and telling me that he feels like he has outgrown the spikes.  He still likes it and enjoys doing his hair that way, but had been thinking it had gotten kind of juvenile.  He wants to get his driver's license picture re-taken in February when he turns 21 because he feels embarrassed to have anybody see his 16-year-old self now.  And I thought, he is so lucky that he got to do something he enjoyed so much for as long as he enjoyed it and then let it go when he was ready to.  It never was a power struggle or a negative statement he was making, to do his hair in an odd way.  But he now looks at it as a young thing he did that no longer fits quite as well the person he is becoming.  I was just so impressed with his thought process.  Now he's thinking he'll just do the punk hair once in a while for fun.

It really is interesting to see a young person grow up in a natural way at his own pace.  We missed seeing that with our oldest since he went away to school and did a lot of that growing and changing away from us.  And we didn't see ourselves do that at all because we had job and family responsibilities at age 18.  Our growth and development got stalled as a result and we didn't even know what that part of life was all about.  We didn't know it existed!

We're lucky to get to see this with our youngest son and lucky that he shares so much of it with us.  I'm very happy, relieved actually, that we didn't make the mistake of trying to "mold" him.

I'm still thinking about the violin, too.  Did find out there is a teacher in town who takes on adult violin students.  So, finding a teacher is not going to be an obstacle.  Maybe 2007 will be the year of music!

Pennyplant
Title: Re: Gypsy part of town
Post by: Stormchild on November 22, 2006, 09:44:06 PM
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