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Voicelessness and Emotional Survival => Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board => Topic started by: WRITE on June 26, 2006, 11:54:56 PM
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well, I've had a rollercoaster few weeks mood-wise.
Still not got a new psych. My doctor friend is going to prescribe for me untilI get another, not that I am using meds right now, except for sleeping sometimes.
Still not got moods stabilised, though I have got much better at telling myself it will pass, which it mostly does; it's horrible though, I'm all over the place with anxiety and agitation, and though I am good at keeping it from most people it has scared away my new friend I think.
I find it hard to let people close because of it, but it is becoming more of an issue as I am getting gradually well- for a Bipolar 1 well anyway- and moving on with my life:
WHAT DO I SAY?
Do I tell people?
At what point?
( I just thought of a hilarious speed-dating scenario for my next writers' group! Nothing is ever wasted in Write's world...)
Most people don't need to know, but if I get in a romantic relationship it starts off loads of triggers and I can't hide my mood swings + I feel duplicitous not talking honestly when I am usually so open.
Give me some advice- about dating. About what you'd think about someone telling you they are Bipolar 1.
And shoudl I continue with the year 2 no dating? I was doing so well before I let my guard down.
I can live with disappointment, failure: it's hope really hurts!
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hi write,
I am a firm believer that love doesn't have limits. So you may as well tell any good candidate sooner rather than later. I mean, I wouldn't put it in my profile or anything. But after a month or so of dating someone, if it were going well, I'll tell them. I'd say: look, I need to tell you something that is hard for me to discuss...
this worked for me believe it or not, when I was first dating my b/f I needed for him to know about my anxiety disorder. Funny thing is, when I finally casually mentioned it, it turns out he had an anxiety disorder too. I really never would have guessed it. So, maybe when someone is right for you, you just know and things have a funny way of working out.
We've lived together almost 2 years now. If you meet a wonderful guy write, and he's the right one for you, this will just be information. If not, better to find out sooner than later, right?
If you just want to meet some friends and casually date as in hang out? I'd maybe not tell everyone. Depends on what your goals of dating are. Mine were to find a long term partner.
hugs,
pb
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Hi Write,
I'm really sorry. What a rough time.
Question: if your moods are up and down too much...are you not taking any Rx? Is it because you got into a gap in care when you left your old shrink and ran out of your medication? I hope if that's all it is you can get more asap...and then feel better.
As to what to tell a date, how about: "I'd like to let you know that I have bipolar disorder, and I am doing just fine on medication. Is there anything you'd like to know about it?"
That would screen out people who are not ready to accept you as YOU. And hopefully, you'll find the right one who thinks, Oh, there's another fact about Write. Interesting...must be tough. Sounds like she's dealing with it very effectively...now, what were we talking about??
That's what I hope anyway. (Maybe you could bring it up after several getting-to-know-you dates but before anything physical happens that would make you feel very vulnerable. I mean, while you're still fully comfortable about take-it-or-leave-it, kind of thing.)
Hops
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Hi WRITE,
Sounds like you are still feeling a bit loopy as far as the roller coaster ride goes!!!
I don't think you need to tell acquaintances you are BiP... maybe a really good friend. I don't share that I am on antidepressants or that I am an alcoholic with anyone but my closest. I'm not embarrassed about it, but I just don't feel they need to know that much about me.
For a relationship... I don't know that I would mention it during the initial period. Maybe others will blast me, but I think it isn't a bad thing to get to know each other a little bit (see if you have the same interests, have fun together, share the same views of the world) and then, if things become more serious, I would bring up the subject honestly and with information for him. I had to tell my husband a "big secret" (I won't share it here...) but he decided it was OK with him and we have been stuck with each other for 13 plus years.
Take care, write, and know we are all thinking of you.
Love, Beth
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the saddest thing about it is- I know instictively if I broadcast it, I'll be sending out the 'vulnerable' signal, and attract yet more people who have problems they don't want to resolve but might want to act out.
Hopalong- I left my psychiatrist after she started acting out a few weeks ago!
I'm like a beacon to anyone with unresolved issues:
bring me your weaknesses, your store of wretched anger yearning to break free;
I will listen to you all, and then some more,
hoping someone some day will hear me!
oh I'm just joking, but honestly- I told my doctor friend who is taking on my prescribing, if you want to talk about you now is the time, I refuse to pay any bill where we discuss you or your issues.
She was deadly serious for a minute:
well, I have been thinking
I may have Bipolar....
I won't tell you what I said, there were two cuss words....
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Does anyone date without trauma any more?
Is it my age?
The fact I'm an immigrant?
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Write, We both are blessed with Bipolar I, not to be confused with Bipolar 2 (oh no, no one wants that tee hee)so Write my Darling
We do have the same thingy .Disorder.I really have been thu so much crap this Bipolar label and what people think is nothing.
What I have been prescribed by a P.H.D MEDICAL DOC.AND PSYCHIATRIST IS Trileptal 300mg 1 tablet every morn at bedtime
also I take one tablet one time a day toprol xl 50mg and the aLL time favorite because moon gets afraid for no reason(child abuse)T TOLD ME MOON YOU ARE NOT CRAZY YOU JUST GET VERY AFRAID SOMETIMES.
clonazepam 0.5 mg 1 or 2 tabs to sleep BI POLARS HAVE TROUBLE SLEEPING .BIPOLAR IS A DISORDER.I am doing well on meds have no trouble saying I need help and going to proper people to get help.I understand the genetic famity STUFF becauses also the trauma passed down thu family's thats way I forgive my father no hate, cycle stops here.I get my freedom and give my abuser his forgiveness
which he does not . Wanting that wold admit his guilt.HELL I ADMIT GUILT AND I AM SURE TO BE FORGIVEN BY MY LOVED ONES .I WISH THIS FOR HIM . BUT I DO NOT CONTROL THE UNIVERSE.
Love TO ALL
MOON
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yes, it is a blessing some ways, not least creatively.
I only use clonazepam if I am really manic Mlght- there are times i need to go to bed and stay there for a couple of days.
To keep a sleep pattern I have been using hydroxizine mild anti-anxiety.
Will look up trileptil. Is that something new?
I really am not afraid of my illness- but I am terrified that I might have to deal with the disappointment of new love relationships, or to address my mother's admonition from way-back which I thought was exorcised: \
YOU ARE UNLOVEABLE!
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Write,
If someone is not willing to accept you fully, flaws and all, then he is not right for you. Not to say that BiP is a flaw, but your love, when you find him, will see your moles and wrinkles and dimples and everything will be nice to him. Good and bad. But it will take a risk to find that person. Also, I think sometimes it's a bit scarier to take the risk when we are older. But you are smart, wise and kind person. Someone will be lucky to find you. And you will know it is the right person, I think. ANd if you aren't sure... it probably isn't right.
Take care. Moon seems to have lots of good info!!!!
Love, Beth
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WRITE, I do not think you do not need to tell when dating "I have bipolar as well ".
Maybe as a relationship deepens you would do that, but at first the scene is light your best foot forward and all that .
And remember the other fellow has imperfections as well .Do not make yours bigger than they are .
Hey let's talk about those lost manic fun manic days when we flew on Saturn's Rings...................
Oh those were the days what a trip and do I have stories............................
Moon madness has such loony charm...................................
MOON
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WRITE ,THE TRILEPTAL IS VERY NEW AND HAS BEEN A LIFE SAVER FOR ME .THE CYCLES OF THE EVER UPS AND DOWNS HAVE BEEN SMOOTHED OUT.
WRITE THIS MEDICINE HAS REALLY HELPED.
ALSO A NEW MEDICINE IS TOPROL XL THESE ARE 2 NEW MEDS GREAT AND ARE REALLY HAVE CHANGED MY LIFE.
THESE HAVE NOT EFFECTED MY ARTWORK WHICH WAS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.MY T TRIED SO MANY MEDS UNTIL WE GOT THE RIGHT COMBO.
HOPES THIS HELPS
LOVE AND LIGHT
MOON
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WRITE, YOU SO VERY VERY LOVEABLE
HUGS MOON
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Write, I take it back.
I think Moon and Beth are right...no reason you're obligated to "spill" something so personal to a nearly-new date. A very good idea Beth has to suss out the potential of the relationship first. If you spy that some man is the type of person who's likely to judge and reject someone for something they can't help (like BP)--well then, you might decide this relationship is not right for YOU, rather than wait to be rejected! You know? And if that decision's necessary, it could come out of a healthy self-love.
(Quite deserved, too. Think on that. This is your NEW tape you're making.)
And hear, hear for this too, that Moon said:
the other fellow has imperfections as well .Do not make yours bigger than they are
Absoflippinlutely. There are far darker things to be than a person with a treatable illness and a wonderful imaginative mind and soulful, determined spirit.
I'm glad to be so clearly mistaken.
Hops
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Write, another view
I'll be sending out the 'vulnerable' signal, and attract yet more people who have problems they don't want to resolve but might want to act out.
Vulnerable? Or ‘interesting’?? (as one who doesn’t socialise, Write would interest me as someone who seems sociable, therefore balancing my hermit side)
I'm like a beacon to anyone with unresolved issues:
Maybe, but you are looking and you can decide who to approach. You don’t have to be only on the receiving end. You can be the one who approaches.
It’s not just who you attract – it’s who you are attracted to. You have personal agency in this.
Does anyone date without trauma any more?
Is it my age?
The fact I'm an immigrant?
Has anyone ever dated without trauma? Yes age brings experience and hurt with it. An immigrant? I doubt it. Is it about you - or about the other?
Maybe the men around you have baggage too, maybe they’re busy worrying about their own problems that they don’t have time to worry about yours. So maybe…………….look for someone who doesn’t home in on you like a bee to honey. Maybe go looking for the type who doesn’t approach you. Be interested in him, and you’ll stop worrying about yourself? But maybe these men will bore you!
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Write,
Having dated a fair number of men very casually before settling down with my now b/f for the last year, I would say that there is no reason to discuss your health issues until he has earned the right to hear about it by gaining a closeness that would warrant it.
At our age (I think I'm a bit older than you), almost everyone is on medication for something--be it high cholesterol, hormone replacement, high blood pressure, herpes, ad's, whatever. Some of those conditions are life threatening, some are contagious, and some are just the annoying problems of aging. What is worse, hearing that someone has had a heart attack, followed by by-pass surgery; hearing that your date has a contagious STD, learning that your date is a recovering alcoholic, or learning there is a psychological condition which is controlled with the proper medication? I don't know. Each individual will react differently to this kind of information, but if we want to find perfection in our 50's, then we better give up and learn to live alone. (you are the only perfect person you will find :wink:).
I think there is the proper time and place for the sharing of this information. I agree with the others that establishing that the individual is worthy of more of your time should be done before baring your soul. I think if a connection is going both ways, he would at least be willing to listen and try to understand. If he is not, then he is not worth any more of your time and move on.
As far as the vulnerability signal goes--when we decide we will begin dating again, we all become vulnerable at some level, or we can never let someone else into our lives. Learning to be careful and smart about HOW MUCH vulnerability to expose is the tricky part. For me, that meant keeping things casual and friendly until I had had enough time to see him in a variety of situations, see him relate to his children, hear about his work history and get a sense of his past relationships and why they were in the past. Obviously, this takes time and the need to maintain some emotional distance so passion doesn't get in the way of common sense.
I hope some of that helps a little.
Brigid
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Absoflippinlutely.
My new favorite word!!!!
Love, Beth
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write,
Where are you from??? You said you are an immigrant????
Love, Beth
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hiya - I just want to say that I read what brigid replied and it makes a lot of sense to me.
What if you meet a wonderful guy...finally get around to telling him your "bad" news, and he sees it as a positive? I mean, someone perfect for you might actually be releived to hear you're so enlightened and responsible about your mental health. Most people I meet I'm finding could use a LOT more enlightenment in this area. It'd actually be a relief to some that you're aware of your problems challenges.
Most of us just live in the dark about ourselves, and we like it that way? weird
pb
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Thank you all, that is very encouraging. I will digest this all, and try to get back to the positive place I was in a few weeks ago before I started thinking about resuming normal service!
I am a very open person, but almost everyone I have told about the Bipolar it has backfired in some negative way, so I think I will make that a new rule is I don't talk about it unless I have to.
It's something I can't trust most people with, from being insulted or manipulated ( saw my ex yeaterday and was greeted with 'you look nuts today'. Charming ) to being judged.
It's funny, I have gone from a crazy place of trusting everyone & seeing the good in everything to a place of suspecting hostile motives everywhere and trusting no one! I guess I'll find a balance some day!!!
PS
I am from England, living in TX now.
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'you look nuts today'. Charming
Good grief. I believe he was absent during how-to-be-human class.
GRRRRRRR.
Hops
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Hiya Write!!!! How are yout today? Boy, can I relate to your query and feelings!!!! I agree with your observation that most times the old bipolar revelation does come back to roost and bite you on the arse!!!! Too much igornance in the world unfortunately!!! I have alternated between revealing things indiscriminatley and not telling at all. Now I withold the info untill I really get to know the person, have some idea realistically if I can trust the person and do they really need to know? And what do they really need to know? The guy I've been with for the past six months and have known as a friend for over a year, is someone who is understanding and supportive. He is also a recovering addict like me and as such, is well acquainted with depression, suicidality and psychosis. He does alot of reading and personal education on mental illness and above all is open minded. I feel blessed. Love, Moira
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Well, Write, I am certain, considering what my young adult son says, that your being from England is NOT a "deficit" at all....he and his friends all agree that a British accent is very appealling. Ok, so you are not going for 18 year olds, but I'm sure your accent is very attractive.
As far as your other attributes, I'd agree with most here, and tell you to unwrap your "onion layers" as you feel comfortable.
YOU are not your health issue. At least I don't see it like that. Everybody has something or another that makes them interesting. Slicing open the onion on the first date just makes future dates less interesting.
You are not "hiding" anything, just saving another layer for later.
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Hi Write:
Don't have much wisdom to add but I wanted to post to say I'm interested.
I think when you meet the right person you won't have to worry. Things will fall into place and you'll know when you're comfortable about talking about this. Otherwise, it's just personal information right?
You don't have to reveal personal information to every person you meet and I think you'll know when the time is right.
I am a very open person, but almost everyone I have told about the Bipolar it has backfired in some negative way
I'm sorry this happened Write. It's not fair or right. I'm with Mum, you are not a diagnosis....you're you!!
A wonderful, worthy, lovable you!! Please believe this!!
Sela
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Hi again write!
So what's it like for an Englishwoman in Texas???? Do you like it???? Miss England?
We have a house in San Antonio. That is the sane part of my vacation coming up. I LOVE San Antonio.
You know, I truly think each person is so unique and we each have something that I am sure could make another person feel unconfortable. There are no perfect people for sure. Maybe when you told these other people you were feeling unsure how they would react, and gave off that kind of vibe? Soem people can pick up on that and make you feel more uncomfortable. BiPolarity is treatable and nothing out of the ordinary anymore. I know that I get quite crazy with my thyroid stuff (I was quite bonkers for a while) and, honestly, my husband is a big help now, because he can tell me if my moods get strange or if AI am too tired or some such thing. That way I can make sure to get back to the Doc and check and see if all is allright.
Don't ever feel sorry for who you are. We are each different.
I used to be embarrassed about being an alcoholic. I am sure many cringe on the board when I talk about it. I don't shout it from the rooftops, but if it comes down to the information being necessary for someone, I tell them. One couple we are friends with now loves to drink. They kept mixing me drinks, and so on. Finally I said, "I am a beer-for-breakfast alcoholic. I can't do it anymore." We are great friends with them. They respect my position and I theirs. I used to be embarrassed, but I just am not anymore. Why should I be? I am learning to be a good person because of it... just like you are!!!
Take care of yourself and be happy, write!!!!!!
Love, Beth
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San Antonio's pretty.
I'm thinking about moving to Austin- it is hard for an Englishwoman in TX, the people here are that horrid Deep South mix of excessive friendliness and insincerity which is about the opposite of English behaviour ( unfriendly but more genuine )
I used to be embarrassed about being an alcoholic. I am sure many cringe on the board when I talk about it.
I don't think so, I hadn't really noticed you mention it much!
And I do think it's part of recovery-honesty- so that you don't slip back, it's so easy to go from not telling other people to telling yourself 'oh it's ok' etc.
If I have a couple of good years I 'forget' I am bipolar or start thinking I am 'cured' and let all the 'triggers' creep back.
'I was quite bonkers for a while'
Have you been talking to my ex? :D
most times the old bipolar revelation does come back to roost and bite you on the arse!!!!
it does, because it makes people feel superior somehow, so later if there's a problem I find someone is more willing to assume they are ok or right or that it's just me and my problems.
I think this is where my habit of being nice no matter what comes from: I feel I don't have the luxury of getting angry or misbehaving like other people!
The worst experience of my life was joining a church community, ironically after years of not wanting to accept spiritual issues because my last experience of being in a church had not been positive either; some horrible things happened to me there but I felt they really weren't taken seriously because I had been ill and it was easier to attribute problems to my bipolar than to address them.
I was talking to a close friend who is bipolar earlier, she had a similar experience with an animal rescue, and years later she says she can still feel incredibly sad or hurt or angry about her experiences there: which is another problem with the bipolar, the feelings are intense, and even when I tell myself, this is the illness or it's an over reaction etc, it doesn't help to dissipate them or reduce them.
Take this week. You know I have been having problems finding a decent doctor. I asked a doctor friend to bridge the gap for me, she told me this week she really doesn't want to be my doctor, just my friend.
Now a normal person would recognise- I am putting her in an ambivalent place, she's not writing me off or rejecting me etc. I felt really hurt, because she didn't realise how that would come across to me, that I don't handle anything rejection-like well and she just plonked it in the middle of an email about other stuff, plus I am really overwhelmed about this issue right now.
Again- because I have bipolar I can't just think 'oh my doctor behaved unprofessionally and I don't want to see her' it's more like 'is this me? WHat do I do wrong that these things keep happening...'
You know that Disney Toy STory movie, the Randy Newman song 'STrange Things are happening to me...' ( I'll post the words below, quite funny really )
Bipolar attracts people- the energy and creativity does, well before anyone knows what causes it; plus people are curious about what it's like to be Virginia Woolf or whatever...but most people are pretty judgemental about mental illness, myself included:
The dope-smoking bipolar guy whose parents live in my street is back again after 2 suicide attempts, he and I were chatting and he still doesn't see that using cannabis is making his problems worse not better, even though he says 'I've been in hospital twice' since he gave up his medication and he can't seem to hold down any employment or source of stability because he's getting wrecked all the time...
' the weed helps me cope'.
I can look at him and feel quite smug if I care to that even in my worst times I have continued to work and write and parent and pay bills etc. and I don't respond with angry outbursts etc.
But because I have been to places where most people don't go I can't be smug any more: it's there but for the grace of G_d go I
THANK YOU ALL for the support and input.
I have been struggling for days to move through this, and not sure if I could ask for help.
I was on top of the world
it was right in my pocket
I was living the life
things were just the way they should be
When from out of the sky like a bomb comes some little punk in a rocket
now all of a sudden some strange things are happening to me
I had friends,
I had lots of friends
Now all my friends are gone
And I'm doing the best I can to carry on
I had power (power)
I was respected (respect)
But not any more
And I've lost the love to the one whom I adored
Let me tell you about the strange things are happening to me
Strange things
Strange things are happening to me...
Ain't no doubt about it
You got someone you think you know well
It turns out a stranger
The minute you turn your back
You're in it all by yourself
They laugh at your jokes,
You think you're doing well
But you're in danger, boy
You end up alone, forgotten, way up on the shelf
Strange things are happening to me
Strange things
Strange things are happening to me
Ain't no doubt about it
Strange things are happening to me
Strange things
Strange things are happening to me
Strange things
Strange things
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Dear Write,
You look quite lovely today! :)
Hope
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write,
my ex-N b/f, like I said, was a family practice doctor. He would not prescribe medicine for anyone in his family, much less me (including his own mother). I think this is something they teach them in medical school, that it is not OK to treat family members or friends. So don't take it personal, k? look on the bright side, that your fried offered to bridge the gap was a sign that she really cared about you as she was going against something she was taught to do, and probably against her better judgment. So after some amount of (reasonable) time, maybe she felt it was OK to give you the head's up that it couldn't continue. Maybe this is a good sign that she feels you're strong enough and capable enough to take care of yourself, ie, to find a good doctor to prescribe your meds.
hugs,
pb
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Hi again write,
It sounds to me like you are blaming some of your normal feelings on the BiP condition. Some of what you are describing sounds very normal to me.. just stuff anyone works out day-to-day. Obviously you have highs and lows, so it must be hard for you to tell what is in the normal range of reaction. Is there any way for you to explore this idea?
Texas... here I come...
Love, Beth
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she felt it was OK to give you the head's up that it couldn't continue.
I think it's the psych stuff she has problems with, too- but I always read rejections very critically.
It is something I am working on.
Some of what you are describing sounds very normal to me.. just stuff anyone works out day-to-day. Obviously you have highs and lows, so it must be hard for you to tell what is in the normal range of reaction. Is there any way for you to explore this idea?
strange you say this, I was wonderign the same and came across a book The highly Sensitive Person ( here's Elaine Dear's website http://www.hsperson.com/ ) and I've been looking at that.
Thank you all for your great suggestions and ideas.
Oh and my new friend couldn't have been too put off, he came to see me in a concert this morning and asked me to go to a play in a few days and for coffee before then.
It's too soon to tell if it's romantic, but he is so lovely with my patients I hope we become close. He's a really nice guy.
I guess I'm the one with the issues about me!
My ex is taking the boundary setting a bit better, he still looks a bit lost but I think it's 'crisis over' for now at least.
I like that because it means we can enjoy time together and our son together without him being a Nidiot.
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Hi Write,
Would it be helpful to suggest that there could be just a little red flag here:
I hope we become close. He's a really nice guy.
Nothing wrong with liking a nice guy! But I am hoping you don't get hooked by your own hope.
The only way I've managed to retrain myself from my romantic yearnings (since they have turned all my relationships into trainwrecks) is to repeat to myself, like a mantra, Be Here in the Moment. Just Enjoy the Present.
I absolutely HAD to let go of fantasizing when I get to know a new man. I came to see that fantasizing at ALL was extremely detrimental to me.
Don't know if that's been an issue for you...but if it is, hope this helps.
(Very nice to hear that your Ex is being less draining than usual. May it last!)
Hops
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Very nice to hear that your Ex is being less draining than usual. May it last
it won't/ didn't! But I don't worry as much about it now. He hasn't done anything mean for a while, but I am not 'waiting for it'. I'll deal with what happens at the time.
Yesterday he was pretty uncommunicative though he insisted on coming over, so I decided to just keep talking despite his obvious disinterest/ lack of engagement. After 30 minutes and various topics he looked at me and said 'are we going shopping?'!
It was really interesting because I could see the mechanics of what he does- the more animated I am about something the more he disengages and sends subtle disprespect my way.
My parents did that too.
Yes, I am aware of the dangers of fantasy- I am trying to be in the moment when I am with this man and to think less about him when I am not.
And it sounds selfish but he will have to make the arrangements and if he doesn't call etc I won't be chasing him ( or anyone )
It is nice getting to know someone who is happy with themselves, I don't mind right now if it's a friendship or a deeper romance, I do value both equally.
It's hard to handle the intensity in some ways, those little moments of not being sure, but he is so easy to be with I can just relax and be myself and not worry. A couple of times I have felt tongue-tied, or shy, but it was just lovely to not have to be perfect and he didn't mind. He smiles a lot at me, not like my ex with always an agenda ( patronising/ you belong to me/ I need something ) just an open kind smile.
I have told him that I am not divorced yet, and that my son is my no 1 priority; I don't think I need tell him any more about me at this point.
I have to go now but I'll write some stuff later about the fantasising from this Highly Sensitive Person book, she talsk about it too.
Thanks for thinking about me!
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Write....I love hearing your voice....thanks for sharing with us. I think you will have a wonderful time with this new friend, wherever it leads...or doesn't....
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thanks mum, I love hearing you too!
And you're right, about does or doesn't lead etc.
It's the getting to know someone and not knowing where it will lead is all the fun, but this is the first time I've had the confidence ( and sense ) to recognise that, and enjoy what flowers in its own time.
I am lucky to have met a special man who feels the same way about me: if it blossoms into a romance well, Write-the-impatient will just have to wait and see.
I have often wondered before why those little moments don't happen to me much- but I am beginning to see that I've been with the wrong people/ never truly felt comfortable to just be myself...and that sensing rejection in every little thing I have often precipitated a bigger rejection 'let's get it over with'.
More about all that on a separate thread.
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Hi Write,
This is a BIG present for you. I promisepromisepromise. And the timing for you to read it is exactlyyyyyyyyyy right!
A Fine Romance, by Judith Sills, PhD.
Hope you'll check it out.
I've got fingers crossed for you!
Hops
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I will check it out! And share it back.
I wonder if it were our Community Christmas what gifts we would give each other....