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Title: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: Lupita on April 29, 2007, 09:05:21 PM
My principal is mad at me. I have a very trouveled student with terrible defiance of aouthority. He is constantly complaining that I am singleling him out. Today my principal sonlged me out in Sunday scgool. I thonk I hae to stop going to that church. I do not need to see my boss on Sunday. There was a student and a mother in the Sunday school class and they saw it. He asked me where was my bible. I said that I did not bring it. Then he said what do I do to students who do not bring text book to class. I said they get a zero because they need a text book to do the work. He said you have a zero. Then I wanted to sit in a chair that is mro confotable to me so I am short and the other chairs ar to hight my feet hang. He said that I am rearanging his funiture. All in front of everybody. The schoo board attend to this same Sunday school. I felt horrible. Why do you think he was doing that? I asked his wife if I was irritating people n the class and she said i was fine. still I think he is tryng to send me mesages that he odes not like me anymore. What do you think? He laso told me in a rpivate meeting some days before that if God brought me to that schoo is to benefit me, not to benefit the school because he has a stack of teachers that wnat tot each there. I feel very sad because I have worked very hard ofr this school and many of our students have been expelled from other schools. It is very hard to work there. But of I start looking for a job somewhere else, I do not know if he is going to give at least a decent recomendations. Please, give me advice. What to do, what to say. I cant even sleep. On top of all I have another CT-scan tomorrow and I ma escared. Please, do not give me consolation. Please give me ideas to focous on the solution adn not on the problem, Please please, you thoughts are important to me. I know that Seastorm was a high school teacher. Anybody else? Sea? Leah, Hops, CB. Margo, Cat, Qrite, enybody, Deb, please, talk to me. I do nto wnat to do the spell check. So forgive me for that.
God help me here.
Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: Lupita on April 29, 2007, 09:06:49 PM
Somebody talk to me!!!!!
Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: Overcomer on April 29, 2007, 09:41:48 PM
OK, Lup....I wouldn't go to that church as long as your boss is there.  That is why I stopped going to my nmom's church...I have to work with her and I don't want to be with her on Sunday, too.

And as far as your job?  I think I would either go with the flow and just do what they want from you or get out.  Sometimes it is hard to play the game and you need to feel good about it.  If you can't then get out.

There that is my thought - but I have never been a teacher so who knows how hard it is to get a job, etc,
Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: Hopalong on April 29, 2007, 10:04:33 PM
Lupita,
I am so sorry; you do not need this fear on top of waiting for your test results.

I can't promise a solution. But I can say I think he is enjoying his ability to scare you. I think if he says something like "rearranging my furniture" you could say, "It's God's furniture, and He's okay with me trying to be comfortable."

If he says something to put down your teaching, I think maybe the safe thing to do is say, "I will always do my very best, and I never stop learning. I thank God for his help and strength."

I know this is inadequate. And I acknowledge the inconsistency of me being an agnostic and advising you to use faith language. But it's real to you. It's the basis of the school too. It's a religious school and I think you are wise to remind this man that you have those values strong, strong, strong in you.

love
Hops
Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: gratitude28 on April 29, 2007, 10:10:14 PM
Lupita,
I would avoid this situation at church... However, he has NO RIGHT to interfere with anything you do outside of school. You should have your own right to worshiop any way you want. He is a bully and a nasty man. There is no easy answe for you, unfortunately. You can either continue to do the good job you are doing and ignore him, or you can file a grievance with the board. I would begin documenting things like this IMMEDIATELY. When you have collected a few examples of the way he is treating you, take them to your grievance committee. This is not an easy thing to do, I know. The alternative is to just hang in there. But to be proactive, you will have to fight against his terrible treatment of you.
I am sorry you have to go through with this. Especially while you are dealing with health issues.
Do you have any support near you?
Love, Beth
Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: debkor on April 30, 2007, 02:28:45 AM
Lupita hon,

This is a hard one for me Lupita.  I went to Catholic School through High School.  I hated  it.  I swore I would never send my kids and I held good on that.  I found them to be the biggest, abusive phonies even back then when I was little.
It has changed now and the schools I believe are mostly run by teachers (like yourself) not nuns anymore.
I wish I had a teacher like you back then. I would be honored if you were my kids teacher. 

Ok lets get to what I think now. 

I know (as a fact) many parents have put their children into Catholic Schools due to the fact they are expelled from their original schools or they are just so out of control.  They think that the Catholic School will straighten them out.  Parents see the school as discipline schools.
Now you are also talking about tuition (big money these days)  So in some way they want you to discipline but then want to discipline you for doing it.  I guess in the private sector they think they can because they feel they PAY FOR IT. 
Also if private school don't work next step is Juvie Hall or home school. 

As far as your boss does it shock me? Nope.  They embarrass people because they can.  Is it right? No Of course not.
It is not you Lupita.  He is a JERK and I'm beginning to wonder if the children are little money bags to him.

How dare him make you an *example* in church.  You are an authority figure *teacher* not a student (troubled one at that).  I'm sure Lupita this is all about money on his mind and not education.  Don't take it personal.  You know who you are.  You know what kind of teacher you are.  Don't let anyone *ever* make you feel any less then that. 
He does not sound to educated in manners.  He made himself look pretty ignorant to me.  I wouldn't be looking at you Lupita I would be looking at him. 

God brought you to that school to benefit you?  Not you benefit the school? 

YOU... ARE... A ... TEACHER.... A... REAL...HEART....FELT....NOT... JUST... A.... JOB.....TEACHER....YOU... FEEL....YOUR...STUDENTS....YOU... WANT... THEM... TO...LEARN...TO...RESPECT...TO SUCCEED....YOU... WORRY... AND...AGGONIZE... OVER... THESE... CHILDREN....
YOU ARE A TEACHER!!!!!!!!

Who's benefit is it?  It is theres Lupita. Don't let them tell you any other or feel any other.

That school is lucky to have you just to stupid to know it.   

You don't sound very happy there Lupita.  Maybe you should start looking around for another school.  Just put out applications see whats out there. 

You hold your head up Lupita don't let him get to you.  You know your good maybe it's the job that's not good.

There are so many kids that need you and this school may be holding you back from being able to help kids that really want to learn and Bosses that are willing to let you sail your ship.  Not try to sink you.

So Lupita I do understand about private schools. I feel for you. 
Hope your test come back all good to Lup.  Thinking and praying for you.


Love
Deb



















Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: dandylife on April 30, 2007, 12:20:21 PM
Lupita,
Abusive people love to keep their abuse "covert", hidden, undercover. That's so they have an out, something to save face if they are "found out". So they will say something they can later say "oh I was just kidding" "Can't you take a joke?" "I was simply commenting on....x" (all innocent). The way to get this out in the open and let them know you won't tolerate it is to say, "Did you mean that as a joke? I didn't find it funny." or "Are you trying to make me feel x (bad, ashamed, guillty, whatever)?"

The person usually gets sheepish, turns red, blusters, and quickly hightails it away from you. And they are likely never to mess with you again. Especially if someone overhears! That's the best situation for you. They hate to embarrass themselves, they want to embarrass YOU.

Dandylife
Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: Lupita on April 30, 2007, 07:54:30 PM
I just wanted to say thank you for all your ideas and thoughts. They are very important to me. I did not think of him as a bully but I think that all of you are right. Because there was no reason for him to tell me that God is doing me a favor by bringing me to that school. I work very hard and get very little money from them. Students are very difficult and arrogant. He did not have a reason to lower my self esteem. The self esteem that I did not have and that now I have in negative numbers. Probably he is mad because I am holding students accountable and he wants me to give better grades and paper the kids. But I do not know how to pamper because I was never pampered. He does not understand that. I know he wants me colaborate more with students. But I want students to work and do their part. I want to prepare them for college. I do not want to give not earned grades. I think he wants me to give more of my self to the students, but I have so much work, that I cannot give more, I donot know where can I get more energy , they pay very little and I have to teache piano lessons after school to be able to supplement my income and that makes me more tired. Parents do not want to take responsibility and I cannot memorize for the children. Thery are young adults, not little children. Please, keep posting, keep advising me. I have only three more weeks of school. I need to survivie those three weeks. I need words to say to him and to the students. Please, keep posting here. I am taking notes and reading everything you write. It is very helpful. Thank you friends. God bless you.
I had my CT, results on Wednesday.
Please keep writing here. Please.
Love
Lupita
Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: Lupita on April 30, 2007, 08:00:02 PM
I am very thankful if you can post tonight more ideas. I will read this at 5:00 AM before I go to school, so I can have more ideas from you. Thank you so much so much so much so much.
God bless you.
Lupita
Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: teartracks on April 30, 2007, 09:26:55 PM



Dear Lupita,

I can't add much to what has been said.  I know you asked us to exclude consolation.  Sometimes, I just don't know what to say except I'm reading your thread and wishing you love, joy, peace, wisdom, and reconciliation with your circumstances and relief from the presence of the boss who seems to be on a power trip.

tt
Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: Lupita on May 01, 2007, 06:35:32 AM
SS, if you put your list here everybody would benefit from it. Thank you for offering. If you dont want to do that I would promise you to keep it private if that is what you want.
Thank you.
Please friends, keep writing me here. Thank you so much. I take your opinion very important in making a balance. Thank you again.
Lupita
Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: Margo on May 01, 2007, 08:00:04 AM
Somebody talk to me!!!!!

LUPITA!  I just got on line, lol!  Had I read this message when you posted I would have said that you DO NEED TO CHANGE CHURCHES and that your principal is bullying you and I wish I could stand in for you and handle it!  I was so mad reading the first part of your post I COULDN'T FINISH THE THING! 

The thing is..... your posture tells him you're a bullying candidate.  He feels he can push you around and get away with it. 

We have to get you into an imaginary helmet, where bullying words can't just get in and confuse you like they do. 

If I was in this position I would sit down and write write write about it till I had distilled it down from screaming insane madness to complete understanding and clarity.  That way.... the next time he addresses you...... there's only clarity and you don't get confused or off balanced by the next innapropriate insane thing that comes out of his mouth. 

You've internalized the problem and you've internalized the solution, yes?

Keep posting on this one.  Margo

Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: Lupita on May 02, 2007, 05:29:11 PM
Hi friends, thank you for all your advices.
Today and yesterday I had a good day, but today my boss scolded me with no reason. I was congratulating a mother because of the good behavior of her son who was one of the F in conduct that I was agonizing on quarter 3. For the first time he refused to angage in bad behavior despite the temptation he was being subjected by the worst student in the class. And he is the first one that has told me that I have to tell the kids when they do something good, so I told the mother that I was proud of him and that he was going to get an extra point for his general grade. Suddenly he came out of his office and told us in an ugly tone of voice that we should go to a conference room to talk about students. I know now what is all about. The worst student is the son of the secretary and she hates when I congratulate other students. It seems like she provokes her son to misbehave to show her power over the school, like to show teachers that if they want a job there, teachers have to put up with her son. I have the impression that she is the one that is ruining the life of that student. She wants to look like a wonderful mother with terrible children and she does not see that she is the cause of the misbehavior. She is such a manipulator. I see now. And she wants to blame her husband for the misbehavior of her children. She likes to look like a victim. She is a bad person. I feel very sad. I thought that working in a Christian school would be different, but it is the same hypocresy and the same politics everywhere. I am very disappointed and sad.

Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: Lupita on May 02, 2007, 05:46:38 PM
My fear is that I do not know if he is just being a bully because he has the power or he is sending me mesages that he does not want me there anymore. Feel sad. After all I have done and so hard worked in that school. It is very disappointing.
Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: debkor on May 02, 2007, 07:47:57 PM
Lupita,

Who knows what he is feeling.  He does not come right out and tell you. He does these little (hidden messages) that you are not quite sure what he is getting at.

Maybe he is pissed that you stood your ground and could not do what he clearly wanted you to do (give a higher grade then deserved to the students). It paid off to be who  you are which made the students become who they are capable of being.  That pissed him off because he obviously didn't think the students would be capable of such a thing.  You just made him wrong so did the student.
Your boss wanted the easy way out just like your students.  You did not let either of them get it.

Maybe he is just having a little  *hissy fit* he was wrong and sometimes people cannot handle that.

Just see how it goes for a bit. 


Love
Deb

Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: Lupita on May 03, 2007, 05:35:06 PM
Thank you Deb. Thank you so much for taking the time. Today, again, he bullied me. Students can exempt the semester exam if they have A or B and did not have OSS. One of his favorite students has the grades to exempt but he had OSS. The student came to my class and brag about being exempt by the principal. i went to the principal and asked him if that was true and he said "I just might" I was so scared that I said "I will do whatever you tell me to do"
I am losing my hope, I am losing my high expectations, I am lowering my expectations, I do not care anymore. My students were behaving well this week, due to the fact of the actions I took before. It seems that poeple there do not like the fact that my students are behaving well now. It seems that they were happier with me when my students were making me miserable.
I only need to survive two weeks and a half.
Help me hout here, friends. Help me survive these two weeks. :?: :idea: :( :shock: :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :?
Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: Margo on May 04, 2007, 07:40:50 AM
Hi friends, thank you for all your advices.
Today and yesterday I had a good day, but today my boss scolded me with no reason. I was congratulating a mother because of the good behavior of her son who was one of the F in conduct that I was agonizing on quarter 3. For the first time he refused to angage in bad behavior despite the temptation he was being subjected by the worst student in the class. And he is the first one that has told me that I have to tell the kids when they do something good, so I told the mother that I was proud of him and that he was going to get an extra point for his general grade. Suddenly he came out of his office and told us in an ugly tone of voice that we should go to a conference room to talk about students. I know now what is all about. The worst student is the son of the secretary and she hates when I congratulate other students. It seems like she provokes her son to misbehave to show her power over the school, like to show teachers that if they want a job there, teachers have to put up with her son. I have the impression that she is the one that is ruining the life of that student. She wants to look like a wonderful mother with terrible children and she does not see that she is the cause of the misbehavior. She is such a manipulator. I see now. And she wants to blame her husband for the misbehavior of her children. She likes to look like a victim. She is a bad person. I feel very sad. I thought that working in a Christian school would be different, but it is the same hypocresy and the same politics everywhere. I am very disappointed and sad.




It never once occurred to me that a Christian school wouldn't be a bit worse than any other school.  Sorry you were dissapointed but...... people are people and hypocrits are a bit more annoying than the rest, IMO, lol. 

So glad you have a handle on that secretary and your boss.  Now.... you can manage to sidestep their traps and start wrapping your mind around handling their hostility.  I can't wait for you to calmly hold their eye contact and ask one of them "what exactly are you trying to say?" so they have to explain themselves in front of other people.  That won't be as much fun as pouncing on you then watching youi wilt.  Margo
Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: debkor on May 04, 2007, 02:26:11 PM
Lupita,

Oh I don't know.  This is crazy making. 

So many contradictions from them.  They set their rules then break them only to remind you there are rules that you have broken(such as the bible you did not bring) to remind you of the rules set that they will consistently break. AHHH!!!
Reminds me of living with my exH. 
Is this what they call spinning?

Lupita I feel as disgusted as you just by reading what is going on.  This appears to be a no win situation.

They are not happy unless they are making someone miserable.  Boy do I now that.
Don't let them make you miserable.  That is what we did in the past.  We look for approval.  You do not need it from him.
He is talking in circles.  Get out of that circle.

Two weeks, Lupita,  two weeks to go.  Then you can get out of the circle and think a little more clearly.

Whosh!  your boss is making me feel  confused and I don't even work there. I feel dizzy!
Hang in there Lup.  Twooo weeks...
(((Lupita))))

Love
Deb

Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: towrite on May 04, 2007, 04:46:52 PM
Lup - take it from one who's been in the exact same place. DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT!!!!!

TOWRITE
Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: Lupita on May 04, 2007, 05:56:55 PM
WOW, WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Deb, Tow, so I am not crazy!!!! You recognize my situatnion!!!!!!!!!!  You know what I amtalking about!!!!!!!!!

I know that other people suffering does not make a solution, but to know that  you have been in my place makes me feel so well!!!
Do not misunderstand me!!!! I do not mean that I am happy that you siffered the smae things, but I mean that I am not crazy!!! These people are making me crazy!!!!   But your words make me feel better with my self. Thank you.
 
Would you guys care to share with me what happened to you that is similar? With a boss? With friends? Please, please, tell about it.
Is there a thread that I can look for in this board that I can read?

You are so deam right that I cannot think clearly now!!! I am so scared!!!

I am so disappointed!!!!  I was thinking that a Christian school would change my life but I am changing my way of thinking about churches and Christian schools.

I am seriously considering the possibility of looking for a job somewhere else. But I don't know if they will give a good recommendation. HOw to get a job if they do not do that?

Maybe I will suck up to them now and tell them that God is giding me in a different direction. But I do not want to be hypocrit. God knows that I do not want that. I am very confused and sad.

Please, keep posting here, please, keep helping me. Thank you. God bless you all.

By the way, the surgeon has to evaluate me. There is a delay in the pass of bile from liver to intestines. Two reasons can be. One is a stone, the other is a tumor. But there is no history of cancer in my family. I pray the Lord that nothing bad comes out.

Lupita
Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: Lupita on May 04, 2007, 05:59:14 PM
Please, friends, keep talking to me. To know that somebody is listening makes me feel better. Thank you.
Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: debkor on May 04, 2007, 07:29:13 PM
Lupita,

I really think that it is just a stone.  I can't wait till the test is in so it can ease your worries. 


Ok let me think, I have so many *crazy making stories* I could be here all night.

I'll do one with my son’s school.

When we ruled out medical with my son and finally got the disability *learning disability* I thought I would lose my mind at one point.
The school tended to want to stick to ADD since they did not know what else to do.
I had him tested by THE SCHOOL PSYCH who said to me DON'T EVER LET ANYONE TELL YOU OR TRY TO TELL YOU YOUR SON IS ADD, OK which means the school told the PSYCH to look for that.

The report came back saying *reading disability* that is it.  OK whatever.  He was modified with things and had been put in a class *regular class* with two teachers so one could work with the other ones who needed extra help.  He did better but struggled all the way through. 
He got through that year only to go to his next and I would get a letter from his teacher, maybe I should consult his doctor about what is going on, meaning she was thinking ADD!!!! 
OMG! Didn’t we just go though this and RULE IT OUT!!! Here I had to go again!!  I spoke to her and asked didn't you get any information on his previous year or his report.  She said No.  Apologized and the rest of the year went well.  Still struggling but doing better.
I finally got disgusted and sent his report off to a Pat Evans, IN ENGLAND, who wrote back that he was dyslexic.  I felt some comfort to putting a name to what was wrong.  Reading disability just didn't cut it for me.
I went into the school armed with paper upon paper.  I gave Pat Evans email address, books she suggested, blah blah.
OK all is good. They never bothered with any of it. We did our own tricks at home also to help him get things.  Including colored paper, what his eye to his brain would see with different colors.  Did it help, maybe, not sure? I found a web site from a kid who was dyslexic and created it at the age of 12 it’s called, I am dyslexic, and best thing I ever came across. 
I go to ANOTHER IEP to what?  To get suggested ADD, AGAIN!!! 
We went at it!! Two teacher spoke directly at each other *like I was not even there* about my child.  I went crazy!
The special ed teacher decided she was going to take me on.  She actually leaned up and into my face and said how my child moves in his seat. I said does he get out? No. Does he disturb your class? No. ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL ME MY CHILD IS ADD! No I cannot say that I am not a Dr.. That's right you are not!  He is dyslexic, why can you not say that.
We are not allowed to say it!  Can you say he is ADD, No we are not allowed to say it.  You are implying that, correct!
I am not implying anything.  If you are going to *silent label my kid* then do the right one. READ your own report FROM your SCHOOL PSYCH. 
Then all the sudden they got nice.  They contradicted themselves and at this point I just wanted to get out of there.
Then they said he really didn't move in his seat? What? Was I crazy cause they just said 5 mins before they he does.

My son was now in the 4th grade and became addicted to help.  He begged to be cut free and fly on his own.
He felt ready and I agreed.
Now was the IEP for this year.  This time they thought they were smart.  We all went into the meeting, same thing different year. It was not in the regular office because of so many going on at one time.  There was a man sitting at a computer doing whatever.  We all spoke and again I did my regular speech with exception of saying let him out of the IEP program.
He wants to fly on his own.  They suggested that he be reevaluated (I know why) they were so determined that they thought he was Add because of the difficulty of learning. They seemed horrified that I wanted him out of the IEP.
At the end of the meeting they said, oh yes, and by the way there is the school PSYCH right there.  He will be the one testing my son. *set up* they just happened to bring my child into this meeting when never before? Please they wanted him to observe my son and it was a blessing that they did!!!
I shook his hand spoke to him and made a date for the test. 

WHOO HOOOO!!!!!!  Report came back and a personal phone call!!!  MY SON WAS READY TO FLY!!! 
He no longer needed assistance!!! He was taken out of the IEP program.  He struggles still but he's come a long way!!
Nothing like being heard!  Validation!!
And the rest is a success story!  He got Almost 90 on his report card. Whoo hooo!!

So yes Lu pita, this was my crazy making time with a school.  *The teachers made me feel* Spinning.
One would say this, the other would say that, the report would say this, they would ignore that, they would agree to disagree, well you know how it goes Lup, and so there ya go!  That’s' my crazy making school story. 

Love
Deb
Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: debkor on May 04, 2007, 07:31:27 PM
Oh and to be fair.  The teachers did a very good job with my son.  They were good teachers even if they made me crazy sometimes. He did learn and they taught him well.

Love
Deb
Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: Hopalong on May 04, 2007, 10:29:56 PM
(((((((Deb))))))))

Hi Lupita,
I'm praying for you and visualizing that little bile duct just releasing its blockage and everything clearing up and you being in radiant health.

I'm glad it's Friday. Especially for you.

I''m not sure you would be a hypocrite if you are able to leave for another job and need to say to your current abusive boss, God wants me to go in a new direction.

Your definition of God is up to you, not him, and if you find that God is a much vaguer concept as you leave that school than it was when you arrived, that's okay.

Faith takes many forms, and words and works are personal. Don't be ashamed of doing what you need to do to take care of yourself and take steps to protect your future.

Have some fun and peace this weekend if you can, dear.

Hops
Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: Lupita on May 05, 2007, 09:31:27 AM
Margo Thanks.

Hop Thanks, have peace for two days is nice. Will try. Will not go to Sunday school because I do not want to see my boss.

Deb:

I am not prepared to reply to you. I am shocked for what you have suffered. To the point that I can't even think what to tell you. When you as a parent send your child to school, you are sending the most beautiful treasure you have. Your baby. And you need to be able to trust that your baby will be well taken care during those hours away from you. And if we as teachers do not show empathy for a desperate parent, we are dead meat. We should not be in the education profession if we do not provide support to a desperate parent. But also, desperate parents terrorize teachers many times. It is like doctors. A doctor that is threaten is not able to take care of a patient because when a person has fear, the person cannot think clearly. That is why I do not offend my boss, because I do not want him to have fear of me. I want him to know that I will be loyal to him and if I cannot be loyal to him i will just leave. I do not threat my doctor, although I know he is as guilty as sin, because he gave me pills that damaged my liver, but I need him to get me out of this mess I am in, if I threat him he will fear me and wont be able to think clearly. It is a good technique not to scare people that have power over us.  Someitmes parents are scared and they scare other people including teachers. Now we have been told that we cannot give advice, if a student needs advice we havet o send them to the councelor because if we give advice we can get a low suit because we are not licensed advisers. We cannot give hugs, we cannot pet a student, people in general have created an evironment of fear and now teachers and principals are scared to do good things that can be twisted and used against the person that is trying to help.
I am not giving excuses for the way you were treated. no way. You were not treated feirly. You were not provided with trust and comfort, you were sunk in soudbt, in fear of the unknown. You were not helped appropiratly. You were finally helped but that was not good. Fortunately it was a problem of time. Probably your son could have gotten out of it on his own with out so much trouble and name calling, names that stay with the person for the rest of the life, no good for certain professions, when they grow up. Probably you could have helped your son on your own. With what you know now you will be able to help a child with out asking anybody else.
My point is, it was bad because, if it was something that could have affected your child forever, and cause permanent damage, and the help was so slow, then, the child would be in deep trouble due to the slowliness of the system, the slowliness of the help arriving.
I promise you that I will be more careful with children with "learning disabilities". Many times, children are lazy, and parents trying to get answeres, find a learning disability. We never know. But I promise you, after reading your post, I will pray everyday for the parents of my students, I will pray everyday for God to give me wisdon and for God to help me help parents.  I will counciously try to be more empathetic to desperate parents. I will. I will. I will. Deb, I promise you. I will try to be more helpful.
I will not tolerate disrespect, though.
And, Deb, these people at my school have been extremely disrespectful. I know you know that.
I am very disappointed of my Christian school, I the third church in a row, of churches in general, I am totally disappointed of selfish narcisistic bitches called pastors, and from religion in general. Not from God, not from Feith, I knwo God has been taking care of me.

Love you Deb. Thank you. Please. Deb keep talking to me.

Dear friends, please keep talking to me. You give me comfort and that helps me keep going. Please, help me survive this two weeks and a Half.

God bless you all.

Lupita
Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: Lupita on May 05, 2007, 10:14:45 AM
Please, friends, keep talking to me. i come every day here to see if I can find a new idea in how to survive, how to deal with my boss, how to deal with difficult parents and how to deal with difficult students. Thank you all. Everytime I see that someone has written to me is like a little comedown to my anxiety.

Love

Lupita
Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: cats paw on May 05, 2007, 10:23:27 AM
Lupita,

  I'm glad that you've made a decision that seems right to you to not go on Sunday. You deserve a restful weekend.

cats paw
Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: Hopalong on May 05, 2007, 01:45:18 PM
A nice long walk in a beautiful place to you, Lupita.
Rain or gray or shine...the natural world is with us, sending its mysterious strength.

Hops
Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: debkor on May 05, 2007, 02:34:44 PM
Luptia,,

These teachers were good teachers.  I don't think I was the one with the fear.  They were.  I understood exactly what I was dealing with.  I understand they were frustrated.  He was learning. They did a great job teaching. They were kind to him. They took the extra 900,000 miles to get him to learn. 
They thought when they couldn't hold his attention, that his attention was his disability.  I understand them thinking that.
They just would not *hear what I was saying* or they were *listening to me yet not hearing me*. They also ignored any report and thought what they wanted.  I didn't have to be a mind reader to figure out what they thought.
That really pissed me off.  After 4 years of this I *enforced my voice* if it caused some fear, then so be it. They were trying to bully me Lu pita.  I did not allow it.

One thing I would never tolerate myself *like you* is for my child to be disrespectful disability or not.  He never was.
That's the first thing I asked.

Lupita I would have to say my biggest problem was really with the Principle.  Talk about Narcissistic Bitch!! I don't really know if she was one but she could of been the *poster child* if she was.
Whoa when I disagreed with her, especially in front of the rest of the teachers I saw all eyes turn to her, like oh no! Then turn back to me like Oh now your in trouble. For a minute I thought to myself, oh no now I'm trouble but snapped out of it real fast.

She instantly changed her face.  I really mean that too.  Her body went stiff,she crossed her arms, talked through her teeth, low, calm, firm. She was trying to intimidate me. Pffft, she wasn't the biggest or baddest *N* I ever came across.
I have learned from the best *exNH* possibly a psychopath too!  She didn't have nothing on him.  Plus I went to Catholic School nothing was more intimidating then scary looking Nuns.    Now that would of been interesting to see them both argue with each other.  He probably would of just punched her or asked her to marry him.  She went on and on like I was some kid that she was repremanding.  I heard the same *freaking story* for 4 years now.  I just put my hand up and said enough! I have heard it all. Do what you deem necessary and so will I. 
She was so mad, I could feel it in my bones.  She was really pissed that I blew her off! 
So it has nothing to do  really with teachers,religion,Doctors, Professions.  It is just the people themselves and they are all over everywhere. 
Your Boss would be a big Jerk, in school, in the parking lot, at Wal-Mart or on the toilet because he is who is, not where he works.
You are not crazy Lupita they just want us to think we are. 
I don't think that N's scare me as much as they annoy me now.

P.S.  Lupita if you really want to get out of that school I wouldn't really worry about them giving you a bad recommendation. That is very risky these days.  They are not allowed to blackball people to where they cannot get a job because of bad recommendations.  Plus you are not a bad teacher.  Don't lose  your confidence cause of this bad experience. 

Love
Deb


Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: debkor on May 06, 2007, 02:50:45 AM
Whoops,  sorry wrong author when I was typing away. The correct Person is Patricia (Pat Heaton) from England who red the report and helped me with my son.

Love
Deb
Title: Re: opinion and advice, pleace
Post by: Lupita on May 06, 2007, 10:31:23 AM
Well, Life is Difficult. That is the first sentence of the book "The Road Less TRaveled"
We are just human beings. Where ever we have human beings difficulties are going to exist. How do we react to those difficulties is the most important part on how we will live our lives. I guess I have to learn, or better said, I am learning on how to react. Action-reaction law. All action has a reaction or al reaction has an action.

Learning, learning.

Thank you so much for your time and advises.

Surgeon will evaluate me on Wednesday.

Love to all.

Lupita