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Voicelessness and Emotional Survival => Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board => Topic started by: reallyME on December 12, 2007, 11:29:32 AM

Title: Public Apology
Post by: reallyME on December 12, 2007, 11:29:32 AM

I am sorry for giving input into the Ami/Janet situation.  I thought it was invited or I would not have dared to comment.

Please forgive me but it will not stop me from trying again to give my view to some other situation.  This is a board where ALL views are welcome after all.

~Laura

Title: Re: Public Apology
Post by: Ami on December 12, 2007, 11:34:55 AM

Laura,
 WHEN s/one takes their "issue" to the public forum, they are inviting all others to comment in whatever way they see fit. Writing a thread is essentially putting out the topic for 'airing". Your voice is part of the board as well as everyone else's(IMO)     Ami

Title: Re: Public Apology
Post by: lighter on December 12, 2007, 11:38:37 AM

Quote from: Ami on December 12, 2007, 11:34:55 AM

Laura,
 WHEN s/one takes their "issue" to the public forum, they are inviting all others to comment in whatever way they see fit. Writing a thread is essentially putting out the topic for 'airing". Your voice is part of the board as well as everyone else's(IMO)     Ami

Oh the irony: /

Title: Re: Public Apology
Post by: reallyME on December 12, 2007, 11:42:38 AM

I am not taking any of this personally.  Janet has every right to decide who to talk to or who not to.  I have several very good friends who know the good, the bad, and the ugly about me, and I'm kewl with that.  I used to have a deep need to MAKE people be my friend, but that left along with Jodi :)

You all have become dear to me and issues are, well, just THAT...issues. 

Opinions are a lot like noses...everyone has one, everyone's is different, and none are better or worse than the others.

BLessya and smile

~Laura

Title: Re: Public Apology
Post by: lighter on December 12, 2007, 12:37:54 PM

::resisting urge to flip Laura and Lise upside down and look for Ami's trigger finger:: :shock:

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Title: Re: Public Apology
Post by: Gabben on December 12, 2007, 12:49:26 PM

Quote from: reallyME on December 12, 2007, 11:42:38 AM

I am not taking any of this personally.  Janet has every right to decide who to talk to or who not to.  I have several very good friends who know the good, the bad, and the ugly about me, and I'm kewl with that.  I used to have a deep need to MAKE people be my friend, but that left along with Jodi :)

You all have become dear to me and issues are, well, just THAT...issues. 

Opinions are a lot like noses...everyone has one, everyone's is different, and none are better or worse than the others.

BLessya and smile

~Laura

Laura,

I really like you.

I appreciate your voice here, your courage to be you and your REAL kindness.

Hope to get to know you better.
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I'd rather have ONE real friend with whom I can tell EVERYTHING to than 10 friends that I have to censor myself with.

Lighter - despite your edge, I actually think that under your thick skin, you have a heart.


Lise

Title: Re: Public Apology
Post by: Leah on December 12, 2007, 01:04:51 PM

Quote from: reallyME on December 12, 2007, 11:29:32 AM

I am sorry for giving input into the Ami/Janet situation.  I thought it was invited or I would not have dared to comment.

Please forgive me but it will not stop me from trying again to give my view to some other situation.  This is a board where ALL views are welcome after all.

~Laura

Dear Laura,

Are you speaking as a Pastor or as a lay member of the board.

Just need some clarification.

Thank you.

Respectfully,

Leah

Title: Re: Public Apology
Post by: lighter on December 12, 2007, 01:18:30 PM

"I'd rather have ONE real friend with whom I can tell EVERYTHING to than 10 friends that I have to censor myself with.

Lighter - despite your edge, I actually think that under your thick skin, you have a heart."


Lise






::whispering::

Lise..... don't kid yourself.... Ami's got me pegged as an attacking, lying N who'll stop at nothing in order to....

ummmm....
 
to....


::snapping fingers... looking for something to say that makes any sense at all::


well... she hasn't exactly perfected her story about my motives but....

she's hinted all over the board and told fibs that cast me in a rather dim light so......

surely,

 you can't beleive I have heart, can ya?  ::tapping foot impatiently on Lise's behalf::



Well.. I'm feeling rather ornery as I've been cast in the role of 'bad little monkey".....

 what the hell?

 ::Flipping Lise over and finding Ami's entire hand!::  :shock:


DUOH!  

Careful..... 2 of Ami's very good friends (read that as prior defenders) have been posted about on the board in a very unfair unflattering light.  

She don't keep friends.... she's relying on the kindness of strangers.... just like Blanche Dubois. ::nod::

I must admit..... the Blanche Duboise reference was ripped off, by me, from someone else.  ::sheepish grin::

Title: Re: Public Apology
Post by: Gabben on December 12, 2007, 01:26:57 PM

Hi Lighter-- I can see things for myself. Yes, I do still think you have a heart...you crack me up too.

But - Christ ate with the sinners, didn't he?

I'm a big time sinner too....even if Ami every betrayed me and wrote about me on the board as to paint an negative image of me -- it would not bother me, really. Because I know who I am and I would be able to step out of my shoes long enough to put myself in hers and extend forgiveness.

People can only hurt me WHEN I AM THINKING ABOUT MYSELF. The more I work to empty myself of "self."  The more I can see the woundedness of others, not sin, wounds so the more I care.

Someone can spit in my face and all I can think is, man I hope that helps them to feel better. It is kind if freeing...

I don't want to hurt anyone though - but the truth has a way of doing that on it's own.

Peace Lighter!
Lise

Title: Re: Public Apology
Post by: lighter on December 12, 2007, 01:41:09 PM

"Hi Lighter-- I can see things for myself. Yes, I do still think you have a heart...you crack me up too.

But - Christ ate with the sinners, didn't he?

I'm a big time sinner too....even if Ami every betrayed me and wrote about me on the board as to paint an negative image of me -- it would not bother me, really. Because I know who I am and I would be able to step out of my shoes long enough to put myself in hers and extend forgiveness."

Lise






When strife's created on the board.... it hurts lots of people.

I'm sometimes torn between using my voice and letting something slither by, in order to keep the peace.

Newbies suffer, the overwhelmed have to take a break from the board..... it's terrible.

But I have to say..... Ami's transgression isn't sinning.

It's manipulating the board for her pleasure.

Don't mistake her behavior as simple sinning.

That aint the problem.

It's her scapegoating and gaslighting the members on the board, over and over again, in order to enjoy herself at the expense of the board's precariouse serenity.

It's not fair and she's been called on it.

There isn't much doubt as to her behavior at this point.

This is the last place you should be championing her right to injure people who're already struggling with this type of evil in their 3 -d lives.  I know you understand what some here are trying to overcome... it's just improbable she'd come here and act this way, I know.

I agree..... Jesus spent time with the people who needed him the most.... not those who were already saved. 

Ami needs grace and forgiveness, no doubt. 

Wouldn't Jesus require she ask for grace and forgiveness.... and not just hand it to her to save her from facing any consequences, growing or learning?

Title: Re: Public Apology
Post by: Gabben on December 12, 2007, 01:53:32 PM

Hi Lighter --

Ok, can I refer to her behavior as woundedess?  Are we all not wounded here?  Some of us more than others?

I'm not trying to let her off the hook, no, I don't do that with anyone, just ask Leah.

What I am trying to say is the lynch mob mentality is not helping her; it is almost like the devil grinning and sticking hot pokers into her, when ONCE is enough. The direct confrontational approach does not work with her either...shaming her is not helping. So my question is do you really want to help her or are people just poking sticks in her order to distract away from our own problems for awhile?

What about compassion? What about acceptance? What about forgiveness. I know what you mean by finding a balance between compassionately turning the other cheek and or becoming a doormat - it is not easy stuff to figure out.

Lise

Title: Re: Public Apology
Post by: lighter on December 12, 2007, 02:17:52 PM

::dropping head and considering giving up::

Listen.... Lise.

Ami intends to go right back to chaos and merry making on the board, business as usual.

You don't realize it but.... you're about the only thread she has tying her to the belief she can continue to bullshit herself and the board.... bullshit about her her gaslit version of events here.

Step back.... let her face her consequences.... they're not yours to buffer or bear.