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Voicelessness and Emotional Survival => Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board => Topic started by: Lupita on January 06, 2008, 09:13:51 PM
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CNN is re transmiting the debate dem vs rep.
Do you think that Obama likes McCane? I dont think so. Or Romney, Hillary? I dont think so. Etc.
But they are so polite to each other?
Why cant we be like that?
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Are we rude? Sometimes. Are they rude? Sometimes. I agree I have been a bit snippy lately and for that I am sorry. But at the same time this whole thing called life can get a bit tedious. Redundant. Samo samo. Oh well-live and let live.
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As good as it gets. The movie. he said, I take my medicine just to be well for you. Jack Nicholson.
OC, I hear you.
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this was intended Lea, why did you erase your post here? Why do we regret we said something?
If it was said, why regret?
Not saying bad or good, just why, there must be a why.
for here.
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this should be here.
J
ohn 8:32 ... and the truth shall make you free
Re: We are missing something. Something is missing.
« Reply #12 on: Today at 10:04:36 PM »
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Quote from: Lupita on Today at 09:59:14 PM
Lea, why did you erase your post here? Why do we regret we said something?
If it was said, why regret?
Not saying bad or good, just why, there must be a why.
Dear Lupita,
I have not deleted a post
Besse it does not matter. It is not about what I want to hear. But what you heard.
Very interesting, dont you think so?
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Lupita,
Don't you think those candidates have to at least pretend to get along, at least until they make it through the primaries?
If they're faking it, why would we want to be like that?
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this was intended Lea, why did you erase your post here? Why do we regret we said something?
If it was said, why regret?
Not saying bad or good, just why, there must be a why.
for here.
Dear Lupita,
I delete my post on this thread as i was unsure, as I don't do politics, and I don't live in the US. In any case, I only posted 'we could be' in any case.
Again, was unsure as to whether it was political or not, same as Besee, evidently.
Love, Leah
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this should be here.
J
ohn 8:32 ... and the truth shall make you free
Re: We are missing something. Something is missing.
« Reply #12 on: Today at 10:04:36 PM »
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Quote from: Lupita on Today at 09:59:14 PM
Lea, why did you erase your post here? Why do we regret we said something?
If it was said, why regret?
Not saying bad or good, just why, there must be a why.
Dear Lupita,
I have not deleted a post
Besse it does not matter. It is not about what I want to hear. But what you heard.
Very interesting, dont you think so?
Lupita,
Why have you copied over from your other thread and deleted most of the pertinent words in context, onto this thread?
With a mish mash and a comment thrown in to Besee?
I have taken more time and effort to post again, as per previous reply.
Really, this is so time consuming.
Leah
Leah
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Why to fake it? CH?
Why cant we like each other even if we disagree?
I do not agree for a woman to stay home. Still I do not dislike a woman who stays home. Just to give an analogy. Why do we dislike people who disagree wiht us?
And many people will say, "I dont"
But the amount of conflicts we have observed lately proves that we do.
I wish I could like astudent who misbehaves as much as the one who does everything he os supposed to.
David Burns advised hes sister teacher when asked about a very difficult student. He said to her, love him. Then she said how can I, they he said, force your self to love him.
I do not how. I cant even force my self to love my self.
CH, I am not making any sense. I was so mad that I had to take my anxiety med. So, whatever I say now it is not my responsibility. LOL
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Izzy, you missed my point. It was not political at all. Just a Metaphore.
Sorry Lea, not good with computers. My sincer apologies.
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That's okay, Lupita.
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lol (((((((Lupita)))))))) I think you're contagious, but I like you.
Let's try this again another time... but I do hear and understand you. I don't want to dislike anyone either, and for the most part, I don't... at least not like I used to. It gets easier with practice, I know that... as you stop feeling threatened by people because you know that you can hold your own no matter what.
Love to you,
Carolyn
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How come a substance can make a difference in how we react?
The centers of pleasure in the brain. Is it just chemicla?
Then, how are we so screwed up in our minds?
I can feel wonderful after meds.
We need to talk about that some time.
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Nighty night, (Izz)
I guess I have to go to sleep before I make a trsip teas here and go to jail for indicent exposure, lol.
Sorry for the spelling.
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I cant even force my self to love my self.
That's because love isn't force, Lup.
It's very very gentle.
Tender.
Relaxed.
Breathing.
Kind.
Compassion.
You could try a warm light breath of compassion,
just a little one, just for 30 seconds by the clock.
Try holding the little girl inside you that way.
Not clutching her.
Holding her gently and tenderly without anguish.
Breathing compassion onto her.
For 30 seconds.
Every day.
love,
Hops
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Dear Hop, with the risk of opening my mouth to change foot, I will talk to you because I consider you my friend and I wish you to keep being my friend. But if I do not tell you how I feel I would be treating you the same way I treat my mother. So, for the first time I am going to tell a friend how I feel.
I started this post with interest in discussing something that could have been very interesting and still has a chance to be.
Many times when you respond to me, instead of following the topic, as general to everybody, you turn it around as advise directly to me.
I have many threads where I am desperately asking for advise. But I feel invisible when I try to start something interesting and I do not get anything interesting out of me for the rest of people.
When I am trying to become part of the board as a producer of interesting topics, I feel invisible again if the topic is turned around towards me as in a petition for personal help.
Your advise of how to love my self was very nice and I appreciate it very much, but again I feel unimportant. We can start or you or I, a new thread, about that, but this has happened several times. I feel that you see me as a small child.
I know, you are trying to help, and you have been a great help to me all this time, almost a year. But sometimes I wish I was your equal, which is going to take a long long long time, to achieve your wisdom.
Dear, very dear Hopsi, I hope that you comprehend what I am saying and please please please, do not get mad at me, and keep writing to me because I love your answers and advises.
And, again, I do not blame you if what I produce as topic is not interesting. Not at all. I have to be more creative I guess. Or, read more, or who knows. I don’t even know why I want to write something interesting that elicits an interesting discussion.
I love you Hop.
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Lupita,
I get your point, civility goes along way, but I wouldn't want to pretend to like someone if it wasn't so. No need to abuse or insult, just don't engage. We have that option, I guess the politicans don't.
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That is my point Alone. Why can we like them?
I never saw brussels brous in my life until I was 28 yo. It tasted awfle to me. My then husband told me that that was a taste that had to be developed.
Now I like them. Same with brokoly and artichokes.
Can we develop a taste for epople who disagree with us?
Now, I do not mean those in the face kind of poeple, who are rude, and judgemental, nobody likes to be judged, or hardly criticized. But it is the same as liking budist, catholics, prebyterians, etc. Different belifs with out disliking each other. I have freidns who are hindu, and like them, still I am Christian and our faith is totally different.
And we are not faking.
I guess, I dont know what I am saying.
Just wish we could have less conflicts in the board. I love this place and I do not like to see good people being attakced, and I dont want to get involed either. I do not want to fight other people's fight, I cant even fight for my self. But wish so much that we can come here and have peace.
This is the only place where I used to have peace.
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Tolerance, Diversity and Respect
for all people of the world ........... love it.
Is that what you mean? Lupita
Leah
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Yes, kind of that. That if we do not like certain kind of posts, we do not go there instead of antagonize and etc. If the perosn disagree, why to keep pounding ob the same thing?
Just tolerate them. Or maybe like them or just ignore them. If we ignore somebody, as long as the person is not doing something terrible, that is not being voiceless.
Prudence does not equal voiceless.
Well, I cam chainging the subject.
To like everybody, act politely, avoid comforntations, unnecessary confrontations. I dont know. Lastworditis, etc.
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Dear Lupita,
This is a very interesting topic to me, as I begin to understand more what you are saying.
Please forgive me for being slow in comprehension.
You have me thinking about why I dislike certain people and I see...
it is not because their beliefs are different. No, it is because they try to insist that I adopt their beliefs in order to be considered
a valid human being, worthy of respect.
I will continue thinking on this today and thank you for the opportunity!
With love,
Carolyn
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Tolerance, Diversity and Respect
for all people of the world ........... love it.
Is that what you mean? Lupita
Leah
Oh I meant in general, that we as people, i.e. multicultural, whereby we can interact with one another, regardless of faith for example, as you mentioned you had a fiend who is Hindu. As I have multifaith friends and acquaintances also.
Hence, I quoted Tolerance, Diversity and Respect.
As people we each are individuals and think differently, but, my belief is that we each have something valuable to bring to the table of life in general.
Love people, all people, don't always like what they do sometimes, as I am sure, they don't like what I do sometimes, either.
That's where a genuine apology mends any bridge in life.
Enough of my 'pollyanna' waffle. :)
Love, Leah
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CH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you, you just gave me a huge validation. Which in it self is a pain killer. We need to validate our selves. But it is like eating a fudge cake of pleasure.
That is exactly the kind of response I was looking for. Thank you.
Do you want coffee with cream?
No thnaks, I dont like cream.
OK, here is your coffee with cream just like you wanted.
You see my point?
You tell a person I disagree with you, but I respect you. And the person gets either offended, or try to impose her beleifs on you, like the cream.
GF was at my mother's house and my mother said, do you like papaya? she said no thanks. She said, try it anyway, you will like it.
It is the same fundamnet with food and the same fondament with beliefs.
Or like when I say I feel lonely and then I get scolded because I do not want to volunteer.
It is so many things.
Thank you CH. You put in words what I could not. That is why we are here.
That is why when Izzi talked about getting her meds under the snow, I never asked why she did not signed up for home delivery, I knew that she was dealing with that problem for 30 years and offering my idea would be fruitless. I was sure she tried everything before.
Thank you for getting my point CH.
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Do you want coffee with cream?
No thnaks, I dont like cream.
OK, here is your coffee with cream just like you wanted.
You see my point?
You tell a person I disagree with you, but I respect you. And the person gets either offended, or try to impose her beleifs on you, like the cream.
Oh, Lupita, absolutely brilliant illustration, I am going to take that on board for reference, thank you.
And I really do get what you and Carolyn are both referring to as well.
Actually, I have that sometimes still in real life, but, seem to be coping well with it.
Bit tired today. :)
Thanks, Leah
PS > How I cope with that now is by standing back from my feelings and emotions, so I don't baited, maintaining being true to mysef, with honesty and straightforwardness, and so, the realization and actualization is that the problem created is thereby owned by the other person, and as such, it is their responsibility, not mine.
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Thank you Lea, and it is the same kind of people who make you try a dish that you dont like, the same kind of people who try to impose beliefs, or pick a fight if you sont agree.
Can we like them, with out fight with them, or ignore the, or just not drink the coffee with out to make them understand theri error?
Do we help when we insist in somebody's deffects? and that persons does not accept, will not change, what do we gain by fighting the unwinnable battle?
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Dear Lupita,
How I cope with that now is by standing back from my feelings and emotions, so I don't baited, maintaining being true to myself, with honesty and straightforwardness, and so, the realization and actualization is that the problem created is thereby owned by the other person, and as such, it is their responsibility, not mine.
With regard to the lady who last year insisted I would like to join her club, and, would not hear me, when I explained that I did not wish to, for my own personal preferences and reasons. Her hobby interest was not my hobby interest.
Then the same lady dictated to me that I should attend her church, but, I stood up for myself and explained in detail, with tolerance and respect for her church choice, how I did not want to attend her church.
The problem was her problem in each case, because, she was the intolerant one, who was legalistic and controlling, and even a bit bullying too.
So I gracefully, with respect, chose to disengage from the lady.
And that has worked out okay, for me, as an independent person.
Life is never easy and straight, because, as individual people, we are all so different, yet, we can get along together, this is possible, if we respect each other's choices in life, hence; tolerance, diversity and respect, one for another.
Otherwise, life becomes a game of power and control, with manipulation, and intolerance. "Do as I say" Which is not nice really.
These are just my views and thoughts, that I am sharing, or waffling. :)
Love, Leah
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Hi Lupita,
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to condescend.
I'll go back to your original question, which I think is, why can't we be as polite as the candidates were, even those who likely dislike each other?
I think the answer is in a deep commitment to civility.
I think damaged people confuse civility with weakness.
But to my mind, it's not.
I believe it takes confidence to be courteous.
love,
Hops
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Hopsy Hopsy, thank you, I love you.
No matter what you do I feel you are just trying to make me feel good.
You gave me a lolly pop.
But I feel rediculous on my own. I asked ofr that. You are trying to make me feel well and as a response I feel immature.
I guess I decretely feel inferior to you. Why is that? You have been nice to me. I have nothing but thankfulness to you.
Then Why do i feel this way?
You are trying to help me, and you are trying to make me feel good.
Why do I feel disrespected?
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Hey, Lup...
I re-read my earlier post and I can easily see how it might feel condescending.
Sometimes I go all "motherly" to a fellow adult...busted!
I love you back.
Hops
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Thank you Hopsi. This is a roller coaster of emotion.
I was pouring my heart, my brain, and my guts in Ami's thread and she completely ignored me. This has happened so many times. I dont even know why I write in her threads anymore.
Anyway, I do not take it personally. It is just that what I say is not important or iteresting.
So, I have to live with that.
I am where I started this morning, what I say is not interesting.
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How about a little cognitive work on that, Lup?
It is just that what I say is not important or iteresting.
I'm sorry you feel ignored.
I care about you.
love
Hops
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How come a substance can make a difference in how we react?
can feel wonderful after meds.
We need to talk about that some time.
Which meds do you take and please tell my how you came up with that choice, Lupita.
I'm sure you did your research and there seems to be so many choices for everything.
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Xanax. Only wne necessary.
I came with that about a long research.
I have to stop writing to people who do not answer my questions. it is very frustrating. I have to comply with that. That is going to be a boundary. If I ask a question ans the person simply ignores it i will not wirte to that person again. I will not. And I had topped doing it. But I felt into temptation again and again i ended up feeling bad, igonored and my questions were not asnwered.
I had top. Why did I start again. :x I wont again. i wont.
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Thanks for answering, Lupita.
How does that work?
Does it replace chemicals in the brain or just releive tension in the moment?
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It binds to the same neuronal receptors that alcohol does producing musle relaxation and a little sedation. It the best medication for anxiety.
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Alprazolam is a triazolobenzodiazepine[4], that is, a benzodiazepine with a triazolo-ring attached to its structure. Benzodiazepines produce a variety of effects by modulating the GABAA subtype of the GABA receptor, the most prolific inhibitory receptor within the brain. The GABAA receptor is made up from 5 subunits out of a possible 19, and GABAA receptors made up of different combinations of subunits have different properties, different locations within the brain and importantly, different activities in regards to benzodiazepines.
In order for GABAA receptors to be sensitive to the action of benzodiazepines they need to contain an α and a γ subunit, where the benzodiazepine binds. Once bound, the benzodiazepine locks the GABAA receptor into a conformation where the neurotransmitter GABA has much higher affinity for the GABAA receptor, increasing the frequency of opening of the associated Chloride ion channel and hyperpolarising the membrane. This potentiates the inhibitory effect of the available GABA leading to sedatory and anxiolytic effects. As mentioned, different benzodiazepines can have different affinities for GABAA receptors made up of different collection of subunits. For instance, benzodiazepines with high activity at the α1 are associated with sedation whereas those with higher affinity for GABAA receptors containing α2 and/or α3 subunits have greater anxiolytic activity.
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What does GABA mean?
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Thanks Lupita.
What do you know about ADHD drugs?
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Gaba is a neuronal receptor. There are many kinds of receptors in the brain.
Ritalin and there are some more moderns. They are all cousins of anphtemanines.
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Thanks, Lupita, for explaining, appreciated.
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The GABA receptors are a class of receptors that respond to the neurotransmitter γ-aminobutyric acid (GABA), the chief inhibitory neurotransmitter in the vertebrate central nervous system. There are three classes of GABA receptors: GABAA, GABAB, and GABAС.
GABAA and GABAС receptors are ligand-gated ion channels (also known as ionotropic receptors), whereas GABAB receptors are G protein-coupled receptors (also known as metabotropic receptors).
Contents [hide]
1 Ligand-gated ion channels
1.1 GABAA
1.2 GABAС
1.3 Common characteristics
2 G protein coupled receptor: GABAB
3 Summary
4 References
5 External links
[edit] Ligand-gated ion channels
[edit] GABAA
It has long been recognized that the fast response of neurons to GABA that is blocked by bicuculline and picrotoxin is due to direct activation of an anion channel.[1][2][3][4][5]
This channel was subsequently termed the GABAA receptor.[1] Fast-responding GABA receptors are members of family of Cys-loop ligand-gated ion channels.[6][7][8] Members of this superfamily, which includes nicotinic acetylcholine receptors, GABAA and GABAС receptors, glycine and 5-HT3 receptors, possess a characteristic loop formed by a disulphide bond between two cysteine residues.
[edit] GABAС
A second type of ionotropic GABA receptors, insensitive to typical allosteric modulators of GABAA receptor channels such as benzodiazepines and barbiturates,[9][10][11] was designated GABAС receptor.[12][13]
Native responses of the GABAС receptor type occur in retinal bipolar or horizontal cells across vertebrate species.[14][15][16][17] GABAС receptors are exclusively composed of ρ subunits that are related to GABAA receptor subunits.[18][19][20]
Although the term "GABAС receptor" is frequently used, GABAС may be viewed as a variant within the GABAA receptor family.[6] However others have argued that the differences between GABAС and GABAA receptors are large enough to justify maintaining the distinction between these two subclasses of GABA receptors.[21]
[edit] Common characteristics
In ionotropic GABAA and GABAС receptors, binding of GABA molecules to their binding sites in the extracellular part of receptor triggers opening of a chloride ion-selective pore.
Opening of a chloride conductance drives the membrane potential towards the reversal potential of the Cl¯ ion which is about –80 mV in neurons, inhibiting the firing of new action potentials.
However, there are numerous reports on GABAA receptors, which are actually excitatory. This phenomenon is due to increased intracellular concentration of Cl¯ ions either during development of the nervous system[22][23] or in certain cell populations.[24][25][26]
After this period of development, a Chloride pump is upregulated and inserted into the cell membrane, pumping Cl- ions into the extracellular space of the cell. Further openings via GABA binding to the receptor then produce inhibitory responses. Over-excitation of this receptor induces receptor remodeling and the eventual invagination of the GABA receptor. As a result, further GABA binding becomes inhibited and IPSPs are no longer relevant.
[edit] G protein coupled receptor: GABAB
A slow response to GABA is mediated by GABAB receptors,[27] originally defined on the basis of pharmacological properties.[28]
In studies focused on the control of neurotransmitter release, it was noted that a GABA receptor was responsible for modulating evoked release in a variety of isolated tissue preparations. This ability of GABA to inhibit neurotransmitter release from these preparations was not blocked by bicuculline, was not mimicked by isoguvacine, and was not dependent on Cl¯, all of which are characteristic of the GABAA receptor. The most striking discovery was the finding that baclofen (β-parachlorophenyl GABA), a clinically employed spasmolytic[29][30] mimicked, in a stereoselective manner, the effect of GABA.
Later ligand-binding studies provided direct evidence of binding sites for baclofen on central neuronal membranes.[31] cDNA cloning confirmed that the GABAB receptor belongs to the family of G-protein coupled receptors.[32] Additional information on GABAB receptors has been reviewed elsewhere.[33][34][35][36][37][38][39][40]
[edit] Summary
Thus, GABAA and GABAС receptors are ligand-gated ion channels, whereas GABAB receptors are G protein-coupled receptors.
This has a parallel to several other systems in the body, where a single molecule binds to receptors which function in completely different ways:
acetylcholine binds to nicotinic and muscarinic receptors
serotonin binds to 5-HT3 and metabotropic receptors
glutamate binds to ionotropic and metabotropic receptors
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How do you know if your serotonin levels are OK or not, Lupita?
Generally and for everyone going through a rough patch?
How do we know if taking something to reastablish serotonin levels is recommended or not?
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There are indications and contraindications for antidepressants.
There are so many, that I would not dare to say.
Only a doctor can decide. But antidepresants interact with too many other drugs, so that ia also a big problem
Alos, they have rebound.
The most used and more modern are SSRIs.
Very delicate sobject. Your PCP has to check the patient labs, before prescribng them.
SSRI give head ache, mouth driness, retroeyaculation, sexual disfunction, gain weight, so much so much.
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So it's a guessing game, as to whether Serotonin levels are low or not?
It's not something that can be tested?
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As far as I know, no. Depression is a DX of exclussion. First you have to do all kinds of labs and then after not encountering causes, you label the patient.
First you have to exclude lack of vitamines, hypothyroidism, anemia, etc.
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Thanks, Lup.
How did you end up choosing the drug you ended up on?
Did the doctor just choose it or did he do labs or did you go in thinking that was what you needed?
Do you think your serotonin levels are fine and why?
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Hi Lighty, I do not mind to talk about simple medical questions, in fact, I love to talk about simple medical questions. But when it needs to be deep, it makes me a little nervous. Because I do not want to be in any kind of trouble, it is not good for a doctor "wannabe" to talk about medications in a deep way that can affect the thinking of another person. I am very sorry.
Remember that each person reacts in a different way to each medicine, and only a doctor who has seen that patient and knows the patient can decide what medications are convenient.
It would be very risky to put a person in pro or against certain medicines.
In my own person, I have been very depressed but I refused to take any antidepressants, I trust that I can make it with cognitive therapy. But there are people who cant.
The only thing I take is xanax, because I felt very anxious at times, but, not even that, because I only take it once in a while. It is addictives and develops tolerance very quickly. So, I do not advise to anybody to take it unless it is prescribed by a doctor who is your docgtor. I try to take it as less as possible. But that is my choice. What I advise to others is to obey the doctor, not complyance with the doctor is a very bad thong to do.
Well, I hope this answers your question at least partly.
Love to you.
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Actually, you did anser my question, Lupita.
Thanks