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Voicelessness and Emotional Survival => Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board => Topic started by: Dr. Richard Grossman on January 15, 2008, 09:07:56 PM

Title: NY Times opinion piece on "midlife crisis" in men
Post by: Dr. Richard Grossman on January 15, 2008, 09:07:56 PM
Hi everybody,

I thought some board members (particularly the women) might appreciate this piece!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/health/15mind.html?scp=1&sq=midlife+crisis

(You may have to register with the Times in order to read it--but registration is free.)

Best,

Richard

Title: Re: NY Times opinion piece on "midlife crisis" in men
Post by: Certain Hope on January 15, 2008, 09:15:11 PM
Excellent article, Dr. Grossman! I thoroughly enjoyed reading... ( probably because I thoroughly agreed with the view stated - lol ) thanks so much!!

Sincerely,

Carolyn
Title: Re: NY Times opinion piece on "midlife crisis" in men
Post by: Leah on January 15, 2008, 09:20:32 PM
Brilliant!  Thank you, Dr Grossman

Much appreciated. Have snapped a copy of the 'picture'!

Sincerely,

Leah


PS >  Need not be a generalization.
Title: Re: NY Times opinion piece on "midlife crisis" in men
Post by: Izzy_*now* on January 15, 2008, 09:23:38 PM
I believe in that view as well--and with the picture.

All men are little children at heart, with the exception of our wonderful host, Dr. Grossman.

Thanks
Izzy
Title: Re: NY Times opinion piece on "midlife crisis" in men
Post by: mudpuppy on January 15, 2008, 09:30:03 PM
This place is already awash in estrogen as it is Doc. No need to toss we few men an anchor as we bob about in it.

mud
Title: Re: NY Times opinion piece on "midlife crisis" in men
Post by: CB123 on January 15, 2008, 10:30:38 PM
hee hee, Mud!

My thoughts exactly! 

So, so, sorry!  It's GOT to be overwhelming.

Love you,
CB
Title: Re: NY Times opinion piece on "midlife crisis" in men
Post by: Ami on January 15, 2008, 10:31:08 PM
It takes a  real man to survive THIS board(lol) .                      Ami
Title: NY Times opinion piece on "midlife crisis" in men
Post by: Hermes on January 16, 2008, 05:55:44 AM
I suppose both men and women get mid-life crises.  Life can have many crises, being what it is.
The menopause can be particularly difficult for many women, and sheer hell for the men who have to put up with them LOL.

Give the guys a break!   

Hermes

Title: Re: NY Times opinion piece on "midlife crisis" in men
Post by: gratitude28 on January 16, 2008, 07:58:57 AM
Do you all know how SICK my husband is?????? His idea of a midlife crisis is to train for triathlons. What is wrong with the man?????
Title: NY Times opinion piece on "midlife crisis" in men
Post by: Hermes on January 16, 2008, 02:23:40 PM
Dear CB123:

I agree with you fully.  I am sure there are some men on this group.  Yes? 

I have a low endurance threshold when it comes to listening to male bashing, even in what seems like a mild form.  All humans have their faults, men and women.  Women are far from perfect.  I know.  I am one! LOL. 8)

I have no sisters, and practically all my cousins are male (the one or two female cousins were older than me).  So, I played with the boys, and I think my mother used to despair of me!
I get on well with men, possibly better than I do with women.

I dislike shopping, in particular I dislike shopping for clothes (my women friends are so perplexed by this LOL), I like action movies, westerns, science fiction....

You might wonder how on earth did I meet and marry an N.  I probably would not have done so had I not been introduced to him by a well-meaning friend.  Which is why I sometimes draw the "accident" analogy.  Nor did I marry in the first flush of youth.

So if it is any consolation, anyone can get taken in by the N, anyone. 

All the best
Hermes




Title: Re: NY Times opinion piece on "midlife crisis" in men
Post by: Leah on January 16, 2008, 04:31:57 PM

Thinking about it some, Dr Grossman is a man and he was/is okay with the article!

And personally, I don't do Generalizing.

I took the article to mean what is says on the label ~ not generally all, only those that do, is my referred view. 

((( Mud ))) and ALL the men homeboard.

Leah


I am keeping the picture   :)
Title: Re: NY Times opinion piece on "midlife crisis" in men
Post by: Hermes on January 16, 2008, 04:45:13 PM
Hello Leah:

Only just expressing my view.  That is allowed.  Yes? 

I don't generalize either.  There are all kinds.  Mid-life...well some (both men and women) sail through it, others find it more difficult.  That is how it is.

No sweat LOL
Hermes
Title: Re: NY Times opinion piece on "midlife crisis" in men
Post by: Leah on January 16, 2008, 05:01:47 PM
Hello Hermes

My post was not addressed to, nor, directed to in response, to you personally.

But rather, it was my just writing out my personal view, in particular, after reading again, the article.

As a free thinking individual with a sense of humor, hence the piccy pun!!   :)

Have posted recently on my thread regarding the concept of generalization.

That's all!

Who's sweating?  :lol:

I only glow!

Love, Leah

Title: Re: NY Times opinion piece on "midlife crisis" in men
Post by: Leah on January 16, 2008, 08:49:02 PM
maybe I read the article a different way - I took it as saying the majority of men do not report having mid-life crises and that most "improve" with age

So it was a tribute to men in my mind.

It was only dissing narcissitc men for using the excuse of having "mid-life" crises, when in fact it is just their personality.


bean


That's exactly how I read it too, Bean

Not as a generalization against men.

Can't perceive Dr Grossman posting it as anything other than that.

Leah
Title: Re: NY Times opinion piece on "midlife crisis" in men
Post by: Certain Hope on January 16, 2008, 09:06:31 PM
maybe I read the article a different way - I took it as saying the majority of men do not report having mid-life crises and that most "improve" with age

So it was a tribute to men in my mind.

It was only dissing narcissitc men for using the excuse of having "mid-life" crises, when in fact it is just their personality.

bean

me, too, bean

Carolyn
Title: Re: NY Times opinion piece on "midlife crisis" in men
Post by: Hermes on January 17, 2008, 06:50:13 AM
Sounds fine to me. 

However, and not to labour the point, the article did not say "Mid-life crises in NPD men". 

I suppose what I want to say is that although I suffered awful trauma because of an NPD husband I do not believe that henceforth men and NPD should be synonymous. 

Best to all
Hermes

Title: Re: NY Times opinion piece on "midlife crisis" in men
Post by: Ami on January 17, 2008, 08:17:51 AM
I do not believe that henceforth men and NPD should be synonymous. 





I hope the hell not, Hermes,or we would ALL be in trouble(LOL) !                     Ami
Title: Re: NY Times opinion piece on "midlife crisis" in men
Post by: Leah on January 17, 2008, 11:17:09 AM
Sounds fine to me. 

However, and not to labour the point, the article did not say "Mid-life crises in NPD men". 

I suppose what I want to say is that although I suffered awful trauma because of an NPD husband I do not believe that henceforth men and NPD should be synonymous. 

Best to all
Hermes


Likewise, I too have suffered awful life threatening trauma at the hands of an NPD husband (ex).

I do not believe that henceforth men and NPD should be synonymous.     

And, likewise, this my expressed belieft also, as I am fortunate to know of, and respect, NON disordered men, of whom, the dialogue is most engaging and enjoyable. 

Leah
Title: Re: NY Times opinion piece on "midlife crisis" in men
Post by: gratitude28 on January 17, 2008, 11:20:24 AM
Leah and all,
Due to my life's history, I would tend to think women fall more on the N side. All my N dealings have been with women, so I have never found men to be synonomous with NPD.
Love, Beth
Title: Re: NY Times opinion piece on "midlife crisis" in men
Post by: Leah on January 17, 2008, 11:24:23 AM
Leah and all,

Due to my life's history, I would tend to think women fall more on the N side. All my N dealings have been with women, so I have never found men to be synonomous with NPD.

Love, Beth


Dear Beth,

In my life experience the Women were the worst!!!!   Subliminal ~ Subjective ~  Cunning and Crafty ...... they ate me alive!   

Thank you for expressing what I dared not, the truth, in a balanced perspective.

Love, Leah
Title: Re: NY Times opinion piece on "midlife crisis" in men
Post by: SilverLining on January 17, 2008, 01:46:46 PM
The article seems rather lightweight, biased and sexist to me.  23% of the population claims to have had a mid life crisis and he writes it off as a "distinct minority"?  If it was any other condition this statistic would be considered epidemic level.  Sure some people take advantage of the label to behave badly, but is there any mental "condition" for which this isn't a possibility? 

If someone invents an expensive pill to cure it, watch the attitude change drastically.  Then men will be invited to "ask their doctor about new midlifeease" :D
Title: NY Times opinion piece on "midlife crisis" in men
Post by: Hermes on January 17, 2008, 02:58:22 PM
Well, that's cleared that up, hasn't it LOL.

Hermes