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Title: A Request For Assistance From Dr. Grossman
Post by: changing on June 11, 2008, 05:48:19 PM

Dr. Grossman-

I am asking for your assistance in stopping and correcting the maligning of my reputation and character on this Board, perpetrated by means of idiotic insertions in messages tended to imply that I am a fraud or dead, such as "you are Finding Peace" in the "Changing's Back" thread. I want the offensive posts removed and would appreciate anyone who is unfortunately inclined to slander and insult me and my friends to cease their posts to and about me, and to stop using me as a proxy for  aggression against others. I will gladly respond in kind and cease posting to and about them as well.

Dr. Grossman, in the event that you interpret the sort of character assassination that I am referring to as appropriate and allow its continuance, I will also respond gladly in kind when I encounter it in future. I would like to proceed peaceably, and forget this tawdry incident and its perpetrators as unworthy of my time and interest.

Thank you,

Changing 

Title: Re: A Request For Assistance From Dr. Grossman
Post by: Dr. Richard Grossman on June 11, 2008, 10:06:59 PM

Hi Changing,

My take on the post in question is that Ami believes you, Finding Peace, and lighter are all one in the same person.  I am certain that is not true.  However, I believe deleting the post in question would serve no purpose.  I suggest you request "No Contact" from Ami, and I would be happy to enforce that.  That would also cover obvious indirect references such as the one you are referring to.

Best,

Richard

Title: Re: A Request For Assistance From Dr. Grossman
Post by: Gaining Strength on June 11, 2008, 11:17:40 PM

For the record I think Lighter, Changing/Changes, and Finding Peace are the same.

Who else agrees.

Title: Re: A Request For Assistance From Dr. Grossman
Post by: finding peace on June 11, 2008, 11:43:13 PM

I just spent 5 hours in the ER with my 9yo daughter who had a 6 inch gash in her leg sewn up, and I come back to this.  I am exhausted and should probably wait until tomorrow to post – but you know what – screw it.  I am sick and tired of this.

I was hoping to come back, log on, and see that this had been resolved.

For the record SS – I do not agree. 

I am not Lighter, I am not Changing, and I am not Cats Paw (Dr. G - thank you for confirming that Lighter, Cats Paw, and I are not the same - could you please clarify that none of us are Cats Paw either - I believe Cats Paw was also mentioned).

After Ami and SS posted their not so subtle accusations over the last few days, I got a PM last evening in which Ami requested NC. 

Well, that put me in a bit of a bind.  How could I defend my name if Ami requested NC? I thought about it, and thought that the best course of action would be to respond via Dr. G asking for NC and not mention anything regarding this on the board as there was enough drama and accusations flying around here.

The only way to put out a fire is to not feed it.  I did not want to contribute to the drama.

I PM’d Dr G indicating that I understood her request and that all I ask in return is that she not post to or about me, or post on any threads I might start.  I did not return a PM to Ami with this request as my fear was that she would take it and accuse me of breaking NC. 

Dr. G’s requested that I make this clear to Ami that NC is in place – here it is….

Ami – please do not post to or about me, or post on any threads I might start.  This ends here.  I would much rather have tried to work this out – but I don’t think that it is possible at this point. 

I have spent half a life time trying to defend who I was to the people who I should never have to defend myself to. 

I come here – and have to do this again – prove I am not a troll (and I believe that this has been going on since last December when all the nonsense about trolls began).

I DO NOT NEED THIS IN MY LIFE ANYMORE.

I wish all of you the best.

Peace

Title: Re: A Request For Assistance From Dr. Grossman
Post by: lighter on June 11, 2008, 11:49:42 PM

FP... please don't let them run you off the board.

Please?

You've had a terrible night.... is your daughter ok?

Lighter

Title: Re: A Request For Assistance From Dr. Grossman
Post by: Izzy_*now* on June 12, 2008, 12:04:02 AM

Quote from: Shame Slayer on June 11, 2008, 11:17:40 PM

For the record I think Lighter, Changing/Changes, and Finding Peace are the same.

Who else agrees.

Oh SS. Please don't make this worse!

Title: Re: A Request For Assistance From Dr. Grossman
Post by: mudpuppy on June 12, 2008, 12:10:53 AM

I believe Michelle Obama, Mary Queen of Scots and Carey Grant are all the same.
I mean to say, I have no proof they don't all share the same ISP and I have never seen all three in the same photo at once.

Who else agrees?

mud

Title: Re: A Request For Assistance From Dr. Grossman
Post by: Certain Hope on June 12, 2008, 12:11:08 AM

I can't figure out what mysterious info anyone is supposed to base this decision on.

Do y'all have a crystal ball or something?

Don't you think that this conspiracy theorizing might be just a distraction from your own personal issues which need attention?

Seriously, makes me wonder who you all are listening to that's promoting this theory.

Carolyn

Title: Re: A Request For Assistance From Dr. Grossman
Post by: teartracks on June 12, 2008, 12:20:36 AM

Hi,

If they are the same, they must be typing with both ends of their fingers.

tt

Title: Re: A Request For Assistance From Dr. Grossman
Post by: debkor on June 12, 2008, 12:56:29 AM

I haven’t been around since Friday and I’m  um… wondering… WTF by things I am reading

The last I saw was that changes was not really changing but light now Changes, changing, light is also Finding Peace…. WHAT….

I’m thinking, uh oh,  I haven’t been around and maybe I will be changes/changing/lighter/Finding Peace .. and how would you really know I’m not?  Only they would know, right?  And that is only if I am not them. 

See how crazy this is… how this sounds… at least to me… I really thought of the Maple Street Episode of the twilight zone…

 It is mid-evening in September and the street is full of playing children and adults talking. A shadow passes overhead and a loud roar is heard, accompanied by a flash of light. Later, after it has gone dark, the residents of Maple Street find that the telephones no longer work, and there is no power. They gather together in the street to discuss the matter. One of them, known as Pete Van Horn, volunteers to walk out of the neighborhood to see if the problem is widespread.
Steve wants to go into town but Tommy, a boy from the neighborhood, tells him not to. His reasons being; he read in his comic/action hero books that an alien invasion is taking place, and it is a family that looks like humans, but isn't.
Meanwhile another resident, Les Goodman, tries unsuccessfully to start his car. He gets out and begins to walk back towards the other residents when the car starts all by itself. The bizarre behavior of his car makes Les the object of immediate suspicion. The residents begin to discuss his late nights spent standing in the garden looking up at the sky. Les claims to be an insomniac. His problem becomes worse when the lights in his house come on, and the rest of the neighborhood remains in the dark. Suspicion then suddenly switches to Steve when he tries to defuse the situation and prevent it from becoming a witch-hunt. Charlie, one of the loudest and most aggressive residents, pressures Steve about his hobby building a radio that no one has ever seen.
A man is seen walking along Maple Street through the dark, towards the gathered crowd. Panic begins to build, and Charlie grabs a shotgun and kills the man. When the crowd reaches the fallen man, they realize that it is Pete Van Horn, returning from his scouting mission.
Suddenly the lights in Charlie's house come on and he panics, realizing how it looks. He is now the subject of the suspicion. He makes a run for his house while the other residents begin to chase him and throw stones. Terrified, Charlie attempts to deflect suspicion onto Tommy, the boy who originally brought up the idea of alien infiltration. Lights begin turning on and off in different houses; lawn mowers and cars start up for no apparent reason. A riot begins and the hysterical residents smash windows, fight and switch blame from one person to another with little justification.
The episode ends with two Martian observers watching the rioting on Maple Street and discussing how easy it was to create paranoia and panic, and let the people of Earth destroy themselves, one place at a time. One of them tells the other:
"Understand the procedure now? Just stop a few of their machines, their telephones, their lawnmowers, throw them into darkness for a few hours, and then sit back and watch the pattern."
"This pattern is always the same?"
"With few variations. They pick the most dangerous enemy they can find.... and it's themselves. All we need do is sit back and watch."
"I take it that this place...this Maple Street...is not unique."
"By no means. Their world is full of Maple Streets, and we'll go from one to the other and let them destroy themselves."

FP,
I’m sorry about your D I  have sat also in the ER with all three of mine and it is so scary to them getting stitches. (aw poor baby)….my son is still tramuatized when he gets cut…even little ones… DO I HAVE TO GET STITCHES… ??   But boo boo presents always helps..

Love
Deb

Title: Re: A Request For Assistance From Dr. Grossman
Post by: Gaining Strength on June 12, 2008, 01:10:19 AM

Quote

your own personal issues

What issues?

Title: Re: A Request For Assistance From Dr. Grossman
Post by: Ami on June 12, 2008, 01:35:10 AM

My contribution ,at this late hour, is that I can't believe that SS has what is  commonly known as  the testicles to stand up in "front " of a group of "people"like this.
 I am floored that s/one would take a stand for what many have called "outrageous" even though *I* think it is clear.
 The issue for me is that SS has what I always wanted , intestinal fortitude, guts. I am amazed, truly amazed. That is what *I* want to be and fall short, short, short.
 Thank you, SS.    Love  Ami

Title: Re: A Request For Assistance From Dr. Grossman
Post by: nogadge on June 12, 2008, 01:59:16 AM

And the point of having/feeling the necessity to prove/defend ones self when we've become adversarilly stanced with others here when we are all here because it is part of the behaviors we have had ingrained in us by our outside abusers..........is what?  Break the patterns.  Nogadge

Title: Re: A Request For Assistance From Dr. Grossman
Post by: changing on June 12, 2008, 03:15:45 AM

Hello Dr. Grossman-

Thank you in advance for your gracious assistance in using the best of your professional judgement and abilities to deal justly and according to American Psychiatric Association guidelines with the malicious harassment that I have experienced on your "Board", protecting me from any future harm that I might suffer due to this harassment, as well as in eliminating any slander or other harmful material that has been published here about me which has been reported to you. Please remember also to admonish both "Ami" and "Shame Slayer" that I am hereby notifying them both to cease and desist any publication of posts to me, post on any threads which I have started, or make any other attempt to contact, write to, or make reference to me in any way now or in the future (what you refer to as "No Contact").

Thank you again for your help in this matter.

Best,

Changing

Correction: The guidelines would be those of the American Psychological Society, not the American Psychiatric Society ( I was under the mistaken impression that you were a psychiatrist and M.D.)

Title: Re: A Request For Assistance From Dr. Grossman
Post by: Ami on June 12, 2008, 08:53:11 AM

Of course, I  will honor your no contact rule, Changing.    Ami

Title: Re: A Request For Assistance From Dr. Grossman
Post by: Lupita on June 12, 2008, 09:52:19 AM

The only important oponion is our own opinion of our selves

!

Title: Re: A Request For Assistance From Dr. Grossman
Post by: Certain Hope on June 12, 2008, 10:15:27 AM

Quote from: changing on June 12, 2008, 03:15:45 AM

Hello Dr. Grossman-

Thank you in advance for your gracious assistance in using the best of your professional judgement and abilities to deal justly and according to American Psychiatric Association guidelines with the malicious harassment that I have experienced on your "Board", protecting me from any future harm that I might suffer due to this harassment, as well as in eliminating any slander or other harmful material that has been published here about me which has been reported to you. Please remember also to admonish both "Ami" and "Shame Slayer" that I am hereby notifying them both to cease and desist any publication of posts to me, post on any threads which I have started, or make any other attempt to contact, write to, or make reference to me in any way now or in the future (what you refer to as "No Contact").

Thank you again for your help in this matter.

Best,

Changing

Dear Changing,

I've been thinking on this so much and... Lupita's got a point.

I was going to write something here to Dr. Grossman, just to try to express my own lack of understanding as to how he's handling this...
because I felt that those who've accused you and Lighter and Finding Peace and Cats Paw
should be much more sternly called to task.
But then I realized... you've already done that, and you've done it quite well.
So... brava!

The truth will stand, Changing... and so will you. Firmly.
Standing in the muck of lies is no standing at all, but wallowing.
You are standing upright, on your own two feet,
and I applaud you.

With love,
Carolyn