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Re: Friendship Moments: good or bad
« Reply #195 on: December 31, 2025, 11:10:48 AM »
A neighbor had recent shoulder surgery.  She woke up with bright blood shot eyes....I mean ...they look camera ready demonic.  Crazy!

Eye clinic won't see her till Jan 2nd!  Very worrisome, imo.

Your situation, Amber, and this other seem very odd to me..... my brain can't make sense of either.

My lungs are looser......but abs feel tight as a drum from coughing. SO painful. Going to take a methacarbonol and see if that helps.

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Re: Friendship Moments: good or bad
« Reply #196 on: December 31, 2025, 12:45:25 PM »
Yeah, the red goes away after I get my sinuses clear. After being up & moving for a couple hours and that hot shower, I'm not stuffy and vision is fine and they'll get the artificial tears every so often during the day.

Adding eucalyptus to the humidifier today.
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Re: Friendship Moments: good or bad
« Reply #197 on: January 01, 2026, 09:20:58 AM »
Neti pot? Helps me a lot when sinuses go awry.
Non-iodized salt in the solution is advised but regular has worked for me.

Sounds like you'll weather this with no damage, but sorry you've having
to wade, Amber.

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Re: Friendship Moments: good or bad
« Reply #198 on: January 01, 2026, 08:59:40 PM »
I use xylitol and Ocean nose sprays.....netti pot gives me ear infections.

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Re: Friendship Moments: good or bad
« Reply #199 on: January 02, 2026, 03:19:28 PM »
Okay, can't sell y'all on the neti pot.

How about air cleaners in your most-occupied rooms, Amber?
They make really nice discreet silent effective ones these days....
Just avoid the positive ion generating, which is ironically, polluting.

Lighter, after the first couple times I bent over the sink and learned to flood my sinuses with warm salt water and watched in shock as so much gunk gunked out of the "other nostril" -- and then reversed the process for my other nostril, washed my face and BREATHED, I was sold. Some folks use it daily during the heat-the-house season, some even year round. I forget if it's Ayurveda or another form of eastern medicine, but one-a those.

Anyhoo, no preaching. (She says RIGHT after preaching, LOL...)

Happy New Year, youse guys. I support you always. Meh, if you're around, you too.

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Re: Friendship Moments: good or bad
« Reply #200 on: January 15, 2026, 11:02:14 AM »
Lol.....Hops..... you're sharing, not preaching.

My BIL looooves his netti pot. It stopped all kinds of nose/nasal troubles for him.

He's, unfortunately, at the Tropical Disease specialist, this morning, for symptoms begun during a 2 week vacation in Hawaii.....some of it in tents and waterfalls.  Super painful bumps on hands, elbows and feet...separate, some fluid filled
 Some not. 
Fever.
Swollen, red single boy bit.....that started a couple days ago. Cheeks/face not swollen, as with mumps. He's seen many doctors, who have no clue.

Praying this morning's appt will sort him out.

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Re: Friendship Moments: good or bad
« Reply #201 on: January 28, 2026, 06:24:50 PM »
Jeez, I hope your BIL has recovered well, Lighter.

Did they figure out what the cause was?

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Re: Friendship Moments: good or bad
« Reply #202 on: January 28, 2026, 06:50:51 PM »
Well, no surprise, but there was another meltdown with Poet. Less intense than the last one, but same problem.

We'e both in the same online monthly poetry workshop (good poets who generally give really helpful feedback). I'm very grateful for the group which, at present, is my main connection with other poets in the area (plus Poet, from Michigan). And it was Poet who introduced me and encouraged the group to add me in. I'm grateful for that recommendation and well bonded.

BUT...she's taken a seething dislike to the group leader because the leader sounds very authoritative when she critiques, and sometimes misses the mark. And Poet is very thin-skinned about criticism, and takes it very personally. She feels judged by leader's blunt feedback. I don't, because I know the leader is half crazy and half visionary, and I find her work very interesting. I also like her, even when we disagree. She does a LOT of work to set up each meeting. The group is really important to me, friendships form and there's a general thread going on in which participants are loving and supportive of each other. We worry about an elder member whose wife is withering from dementia, and rejoice loudly for our youngest member, a lovely fellow pursuing a Master's in Poetry, etc.

Long story a bit shorter, after last night's meeting Poet sent me a rain of texts, calling the leader (once a friend of hers, I thought) a bitch, arrogant, annoying, and such a victim all the time. (She writes about her severe abuse as a child which gave her an ED and made her nuts.) Poet: "F-her, I hate her, I can't stand her and am not coming back." I DID NOT WANT TO BE THE RECEPTACLE.

After that she called and dumped more bile. I listened as best I could and resisted or counter-thoughted (new word!) a few very gentle times, and then she turned her anger on me. Same old stuff, a few lacerating personal criticisms, etc. And THEN she told me, do not write to me about this. (The letter I'd sent her after her visit here had really upset her and pissed her off, but we'd regained a form of friendliness, with less-frequent contact.)

I sat with that and realized I'd been ordered not to speak. I stewed a bit and then thought, hell with that, I get to speak up if I need to. So I wrote her a diluted email expressing how I felt, and the only thing that would trigger her that I said was: "I felt like there were little hate-geysers coming in texts and next, into my ear." I know, I know, that was a rough one. All the rest was grateful and kind, etc.

Then I expressed how much the group meant to me and how grateful I've been for that connection she facilitated years back. Said supportive and admiring (required!) things about how well she's done in establishing herself as a writer where she lives now. All true.

But I can share with y'all that I've just realized when she isn't the Queen Bee, she ain't happy. And that her verbal sophistication can be used for good and creativity, and also to put down and hurt people.

I'm nine toes out. And it's okay. If she ignores my message and I get The Silence, I think that's my final indicator that there's no rebuilding this relationship. Reality wins, and it's good that I don't feel too awful. Sad about it, but not crushed. I just don't WANNA deal with her unprocessed rage, because of her just turning to the nearest target. This was mild compared to past explosions, but the same pattern of projecting and displacing is unchanged.

So that's the latest. I know it's tedious to hear the same, same, same thing....apologies, but thanks for reading anyway. I have a new dent in my codependency tendency, a good thing.

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« Reply #203 on: January 29, 2026, 02:50:06 PM »
She wrote back, "thank you for understanding." She missed my point, I felt upset about being a receptacle for her rage-bursts, which are toxic for me. Asked her to trust a sturdier friend or her therapist for that. Didn't blame her for feeling what she feels, or myself. I think I've evolved to feeling appropriately careful, that's all.

She replied: "I knew you'd send resentful emails" and I replied: "I have resented your rage in the past because I didn't give myself permission to speak up." And, "I understand now that the ways to forestall getting resentful are to resist being controlled, stay loving, and hold whatever boundaries/values I need to maintain my own peace." IOW, Assertiveness 101. Her aggression moments may be something she feels she needs to be safe or can't control. I'm the opposite. (This was 90% second-hand rage, only after I'd resisted a bit was she jabbing at me, it was mostly about the group leader.)

Blah and blah. She basically feels entitled to dump and I've retired from being dumpee. I'm fine with what I wrote her and if/how she processes it is on her.

Just in case y'all were yearning for the tedious repetition. I think I actually have internalized the lesson. I'm not anxious. Attachment is much looser now.

Thanks for your patience.

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Re: Friendship Moments: good or bad
« Reply #204 on: January 30, 2026, 10:18:02 AM »
Not anxious? Hah. It took a day.
I'm sorry, y'all, but I need to put this out there again.
I need help. My heart was tachy for an hour. It's slowing now, but scary.

I think it has a lot to do with processing what happened, the Poet conflict. I get deeply rocked by that kind of thing. Feel unable to trust her and I think the abandonment and unease I feel are primal. I did push back with plucky assertions and my right to speak -- all true. And I labored over insights, the analytical things (most of which I think were perceptive). But there's another level -- my inner child -- that's not doing well with what happened at ALL.

Reminds me a little of how I felt about telling my D's half-bro that she could not live with me, because my heart literally can't take it. I just can't handle knowing that some lacerating criticism, verbal attack or punishment could happen at any moment if my D (or Poet) were in proximity (emotional if not geographical). Living on alert, waiting for the other shoe to drop, walking on eggshells, all that.

So, Poet does not live here. She is not invited back. I'm letting go and giving up. So why do I feel disturbance enough to affect my heart rhythm? (It's more normal now.)

It's an irrational fear and also a real one. I could say more analytical things about her, but the truth is I think I'm back to the original reason I'm here...Poet is wounded and narcissistic and I was BLIND, floating into her orbit like a ladybug in a breeze. For me it adds up right now to feeling like I'm starving for oxygen in a big room. I feel frail and need comforting. There are not many friends who can hold space for deep anxiety, in my experience. I think it's the hardest task. Feeling protected seems far away. And loneliness, too, can kill. Loads of elderly die of it.

These are the times when living alone, being alone so much, begins to darken. I see also that Poet has manipulated me, lavishing things like "I'm so happy to have a friend like you, your support is so important, don't stop caring about me," etc etc etc." With a clearer mind, I see it as being praised to encourage repeat behavior or obedience. My Nmom did that. But I don't want to demonize Poet; these are survival impulses for her.

Good god, how could I repeat this pattern? I did it with M, the bf, too. He was dynamic and full of himself and the love bombing was head spinning. But say the wrong thing and he'd slice me up like a master chef. Not raging, just using his flow of words to paralyse the listener (me) and eliminate any resistance. I always fought back and eventually freed myself of him, but it's starting to feel like I'm living in a reenactment of the same old inner war. Maybe I need therapy again. I might revisit my old T, the compassionate one (not the Sikh) who knows all about Poet and could probably set me back on my feet, so to speak, in a few sessions. A tune-up.

I have to tend to the scared child inside who's feeling newly alone in the world right now. It's as though a big person injected into my ears some dark, sticky stuff that started to poison me. It's like I have no self-protective filters, sometimes. It all just seeps right in. Maybe I'm too open hearted for my own good.

It honestly also makes me afraid. That because clearly, a person with some of those issues can affect my psyche so much. I can give Poet so much Co-D compassion, pouring it out like a tanker, but am having trouble healing myself. How stable AM I? How sane? How functional? Is this flaw going to take me out soon? This stuff can start a cascade, even a kind of collapse. Hope my heart won't fail. I've been feeling weak, literally, for a long time.

Jesus. I think I've just gone a few rounds with a vampire who "takes too much", as my old T said about her. I know the friendship is over now, but I'm feeling very depleted. Shaken, is the word. Drained. Fearful. The last one is the irrational part.

I'm just never READY for sudden outbursts or controlling commands. "Do not write about this." Shit.

I even feel shame about writing here sooooo much about the same old life lesson. Can you bear with me? (I promise, I'm emailing old T right now. I don't want to poison you guys!)

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Hops
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Re: Friendship Moments: good or bad
« Reply #205 on: January 30, 2026, 10:44:07 AM »
Hopsy, you're still here. Whole. No worse for wear. "It's just a flesh wound."  :)

Yeah, I can hear how your brain is hijacking your feelings. This is not what your inner child went through; it just echoes that. You aren't making the same mistake over & over again, either. The people who are vampires have the power of a "glamour" - illusion - that makes them seem honest, caring and trustworthy. Only when they are stressed, do they reveal their true nature.

IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT you didn't pick up on this sooner. So stop putting that responsibility on yourself. Just stop it. You are in charge of you - and 10 slow deep breaths will calm down the panic enough, to go snuggle with pup, who will probably wash your face till you giggle.

It's true that in quiet, empty time-spaces... things that happen to us can be magnified simply because there just isn't anything else competing for attention. And it happens to all of us!!

Therefore, you are totally normal.  :P  It's been awhile, but I have stayed in a Holiday Inn.
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Re: Friendship Moments: good or bad
« Reply #206 on: January 30, 2026, 12:20:44 PM »
Ahhhh, thank you.

I don't know why I needed somebody to tell me to stop feeling shame, but I did, and you did. It helped instantly. Maybe it's because I was empathizing with y'all reading through my mud that you must've thought we'd already cleaned up.

I'm grateful.

Mega hugs,
Hops
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