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« Reply #75 on: March 24, 2020, 04:07:14 PM »

 I'm so relieved you got food in, Tupp.  So scary, and difficult and heartbreaking with the triage information going out..... must keep ds safe.  I picture a different world than the one where a violent predator is saved over sweet lovely boys with disabilities.

Make sure you have a splash shield on, and ds too, when you go out.  You can make them out of those plastic page protectors taped to glasses.  Masks with many layers..... vids have lots of ideas.  Some as easy as taping paper towels together.   I have stuff OUT to make these things, just not put together yet.  I feel as though I'm stuck in mud.

On the internet, I saw an Asian man with a comforter bag over him and a baby in a chest carrier.  Honestly, the idea of making crazy protective gear, that brings a smile to someone's face, makes me feel better.   DD17 said she'll paint something funny on whatever splach guard I end up using and I'm cool with that.

::patting Amber's back::.  It goes in and out of focus, I know. Just giving in to the tears helps, IME. 

We have a 5 way chat with Ohio cousins going on.  One of cousin's dd's was assaulted by her exbf and cousin seeking a protective order.  Lots of terrifying things going on with everything else and honestly... I think this stress is breaking people who might have been holding it together otherwise. 



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« Reply #76 on: March 24, 2020, 04:37:34 PM »
I'm so glad the dam broke, (((((((((((((((Amber)))))))))))))).

What a relief.

NO soldier, even an Amazon warrior woman, keeps it up 24/7.

Good for you for letting it out.

Cry on me any time.

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« Reply #77 on: March 24, 2020, 05:42:29 PM »
Thanks guys.

John was here then. He knows what I went thru. Buck was here and has been holding me for days - even if it's just over the phone. It had to break, crest... move on. We're taking turns here.
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« Reply #78 on: March 25, 2020, 02:54:02 AM »

 I'm so relieved you got food in, Tupp.  So scary, and difficult and heartbreaking with the triage information going out..... must keep ds safe.  I picture a different world than the one where a violent predator is saved over sweet lovely boys with disabilities.

Make sure you have a splash shield on, and ds too, when you go out.  You can make them out of those plastic page protectors taped to glasses.  Masks with many layers..... vids have lots of ideas.  Some as easy as taping paper towels together.   I have stuff OUT to make these things, just not put together yet.  I feel as though I'm stuck in mud.

On the internet, I saw an Asian man with a comforter bag over him and a baby in a chest carrier.  Honestly, the idea of making crazy protective gear, that brings a smile to someone's face, makes me feel better.   DD17 said she'll paint something funny on whatever splach guard I end up using and I'm cool with that.

::patting Amber's back::.  It goes in and out of focus, I know. Just giving in to the tears helps, IME. 

We have a 5 way chat with Ohio cousins going on.  One of cousin's dd's was assaulted by her exbf and cousin seeking a protective order.  Lots of terrifying things going on with everything else and honestly... I think this stress is breaking people who might have been holding it together otherwise. 



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Thanks, Lighter, do be careful, none of those home made masks will stop infection, they're great for lightening the situation a bit but they won't stop anyone getting the virus.  There was a good link on one of the other forums, I'll see if I can find it later and send it to you.

I hope your cousin gets the order through, how odd that you've been concerned about yours ending and now she needs to get one.  I do think sometimes we get a sense of what other people are feeling if we're close to them.  It's a very odd thing.  I hope that gets sorted out for her quickly.

The stress is going to get to people and fast.  Some will respond positively by trying to help and be supportive to others and some will get violent and aggressive.  I feel so angry that all the world leaders knew this was coming and they've all sat on their arses and done nothing.  So many lives could have been saved just by ending all non-essential travel for a while.  I am staying inside! xx

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« Reply #79 on: March 25, 2020, 03:12:17 AM »
A big cyber hug for you, Skep ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Skep))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) xx xx xx

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« Reply #80 on: March 25, 2020, 06:25:45 AM »
I do understand....your nature is loving!

But I also understand that you might add pain to the situation if it brings back those old feelings of non-reciprocity. Those friends would also have similar opportunities right now to be thinking about checking on YOU. And if they don't, then maybe "past friends" is a better term. Re-experiencing hurt you've already processed won't help.

I hope there's a few nice people where you live now, anyone you've got a number for, that you might call and say, "I'm just calling to hear a friendly voice. I don't have a lot of local contacts since I'm at home so much. How are all this going for you?". Then you could have a positive social conversation, however brief, and feel as though even though more isolated than many, you ARE still a human part of this human community you are in at the present. Someone you call might be so pleased to just be able to vent what they're dealing with in the moment. (Don't forget you don't need to give advice or fix it. Just a nice listen, with some "Wow, that is really tough" kinds of responses.)

I think just sharing moments, checking in, even without a lot of practicality to the conversation, is really valuable for people right now.

GLAD you're feeling better than yesterday and relaxing a bit now, Tupp. And your son is so cute. Whoopee! A text from the government!

He's adorable. And writing a novel...what a fantastic person.

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Thanks, Hops, it's all okay now!  I wouldn't have reached out to them, I knew it would only bring more problems but I just had that urge to, it is very natural in me to check on other people but I've got to keep it for people who appreciate and reciprocate :)  And I have had people checking in on me which is lovely, and many groups have sprung up on Facebook to support each other and share info for older neighbours who aren't online so bizarrely I'm meeting more people by staying in!

And we have food!  And much of it as well, lovely lady delivered it this morning, we had a chat through the glass and she left everything on the step for me.  I've washed it all, dried it and we have enough now for two weeks, I reckon, although I'll top up with fresh from the farm shop in between.  I will not take an easy supply of food for granted again after this, I really didn't realise how much I was able to access so freely before.  Very, very fortunate.

Son is being a diamond, we did a workout together this morning and he's back working on his novel now, and a film script!  About Corona Virus zombies, obviously :) Currently things are good :) How is it going over there, are you all managing to get what's needed? xx

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« Reply #81 on: March 25, 2020, 10:48:04 AM »
Thanks, Tupp, I'm in good shape.
I've decided that shopping for fresh produce is still shopping, so I'm not doing that.
Haven't been to any kind of store in almost two weeks now. One more week, and then I can go play at M's house and vice versa!

I have ordered in everything I could possibly need to eat and will be fine. Frozen vegs and cans of fruit and soup and jars and shelf-stable packages (like soy milk cartons). I've made bread a couple times in the machine. Last night I took a loaf to M who was doing a PHD review online. Left it on his porch and he left me a big container of baked ziti. Yumm.

My fridge and freezer are full for the first time ever. Most of the time there are about 5 or 6 things on the shelves. So even after the parallel quarantine between M and me is over, I'll be continuing social distancing with friends by walking six feet apart and having them over on sunny days where we can sit and drink wine six feet apart on my back patio.

I read a truly horrifying account of enduring a ventilator in ProPublica that absolutely confirmed my lack of interest in hospitalization should I become infected. Or for any other reason with a little luck. So I think the absolute primary thing is embracing a Zoom and garden and six-feet-friends life until a vaccine is proven, developed and distributed. I think it will be different but probably not as hard as it will be for many. M loves running around town doing errands so it will be more difficult for him. I hope I can influence him to stay the course. I think I can...he's been extremely disciplined about the precautions so far.

I already tend to stay home a lot, and think until the first surge peaks AND subsides to zero in my town, that's the best course. Then only can only hope it's not back again in winter...I don't think a vaccine will be out until the following.

I've been taking walks again with Pooch and enjoying them a lot. So ironically, my health may improve because the world has closed in.

I'm very grateful M is in my life, as it would feel much more isolating without him. I'll still complain but am lucky to have his commitment and partnership. He thinks we dodged the economic bullet by not buying a house a while back, and with everything collapsing I see he's right.

On a Zoom chat yesterday with a woman who volunteers for an organization I'm interested in, she explained how she and her bf got married but kept their own houses. Idea....hmmmm! Perhaps that could be our answer.

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« Reply #82 on: March 25, 2020, 11:05:40 AM »
Lord, YES to keeping a his and her residence, Hops.

Especially when one has really BIG energy and the other more subtle.

So glad you're back in victuals, Tupp. 

So far I've made a big pot of ham and bean soup.... so comforting.... a large pot of spaghetti sauce with pork (Italians would call it pork salsa) and we make a daily pot of rice in the rice cooker. 

I haven't had Tupp's surge of lightness and energy.... I thought I would, but I distinctly do not.  Yesterday was better... just cleaning a bathroom and the kitchen left me feeling much better this morning, though I woke with a stitch in the back of my neck. 

I see the vet tech student posted her services to the neighborhood board.  I'm trying to figure out how to suit her up and me, while we work on baby girl pug together.  DIY taped masks and splash guards won't be 100% but they'll get me through 5 minutes of very close contact, or so I figure.  I know I won't be breathing someone else's air back and forth with nothing between us.   Gloves will go in a bag outside. 

CB:  The pie baking and mindful enjoyment of food was nice to read.  It turned my attention to being more intentional around it too.   

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« Reply #83 on: March 25, 2020, 11:59:32 AM »
So good to read here of everyone settling in! Such a relief to know that you are all okay and that (I have figured out) no one is in NYC.

Our weather has turned suddenly warm after weeks of gray days and intermittent rain. We will be almost 90 degrees tomorrow! but will dip back to the 60s and 70s over the weekend and the first part of next week. I was going to do some baking today, but decided that I would wait until it cools and concentrate on finishing my organizing. I'm finding that with the patio door slid open, its cool enough in the house even in this weather to not have to turn on the a/c yet. Yesterday I was working on my plants and had to turn on the fans, but that's not too bad!

Just a disclaimer: I am a terrible cook, except those things I am good at. I grew up cooking country food and that's what I cooked when all the kids were home. Then they all moved away and I couldnt justify those big filling meals (both because of size and time, but also my middle aged middle), but I've never done a good job of making the switch to mediterranean type meals. So since I left the restaurant and ALSO lost access to exbf's delicious, fattening cooking, I have been a fruit/crackers/cheese girl with an occasional pizza.

So, its been interesting to dip my toes back into actually cooking. I'm basically making soups because they are easy and I never tire of them. My oldest daughter has laughed at all of us and the way we have settled into this "sheltering in place" because they all know how to do this--it's almost comforting in its familiarity. ALL of them have started cooking homey meals --the guys AND the girls. Pretty funny.

SOOOO glad you were able to find what you needed Tupp. I was so worried, but also suspected that things would become more available as people calmed down and the food pipeline got the hang of what was happening. How cool is it that your son is having so much creative fun??? I love that. I'll bet it does your mother's heart good to see him so content in the midst of all this chaos. I dont know about you, but this whole thing is making me re-evaluate what I want my life to look like after this.

Where I am, all non-essential businesses are supposed to be closed unless they can operate from home, so there has been a huge shift of retail workers and restaurant staff to groceries and delivery services. I hate it that some people are continuing to be exposed to this disease but I regard them as heros close to medical personnel. All the same, now that I know how the system is working and that I am essentially stocked up, I'm not going to have any more deliveries til I have to because of the strain on the system. I'm really good at this point and everything lasts longer than I thought it would (because, even when trying not to, I make enough for 8 people).

I've been calling the kids every day, but they are starting to be patient with me about it, so I feel more relaxed than I did--I've gone to every OTHER day. Today is day 11 since I went to work. I'm slept last night. The sunshine helps and the buzz of the lawn mowers makes it sound like a normal day--if I dont read the news, it almost is. My leasing office called yesterday to see how I was and if we needed anything. Soooo glad I got moved before this all hit.

I'm glad you all have such cozy places to shelter. Each of us has the kind of place that makes us feel the safest. What a blessing.

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« Reply #84 on: March 26, 2020, 12:28:37 AM »
Why are people dying from cardiac arrest?  Why is the virus killing people this way?

A 38yo man died in NY today, along with 2 others, all from cardiac arrest

38yo.

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« Reply #85 on: March 26, 2020, 07:32:53 AM »
Thanks, Tupp, I'm in good shape.
I've decided that shopping for fresh produce is still shopping, so I'm not doing that.
Haven't been to any kind of store in almost two weeks now. One more week, and then I can go play at M's house and vice versa!

I have ordered in everything I could possibly need to eat and will be fine. Frozen vegs and cans of fruit and soup and jars and shelf-stable packages (like soy milk cartons). I've made bread a couple times in the machine. Last night I took a loaf to M who was doing a PHD review online. Left it on his porch and he left me a big container of baked ziti. Yumm.

My fridge and freezer are full for the first time ever. Most of the time there are about 5 or 6 things on the shelves. So even after the parallel quarantine between M and me is over, I'll be continuing social distancing with friends by walking six feet apart and having them over on sunny days where we can sit and drink wine six feet apart on my back patio.

I read a truly horrifying account of enduring a ventilator in ProPublica that absolutely confirmed my lack of interest in hospitalization should I become infected. Or for any other reason with a little luck. So I think the absolute primary thing is embracing a Zoom and garden and six-feet-friends life until a vaccine is proven, developed and distributed. I think it will be different but probably not as hard as it will be for many. M loves running around town doing errands so it will be more difficult for him. I hope I can influence him to stay the course. I think I can...he's been extremely disciplined about the precautions so far.

I already tend to stay home a lot, and think until the first surge peaks AND subsides to zero in my town, that's the best course. Then only can only hope it's not back again in winter...I don't think a vaccine will be out until the following.

I've been taking walks again with Pooch and enjoying them a lot. So ironically, my health may improve because the world has closed in.

I'm very grateful M is in my life, as it would feel much more isolating without him. I'll still complain but am lucky to have his commitment and partnership. He thinks we dodged the economic bullet by not buying a house a while back, and with everything collapsing I see he's right.

On a Zoom chat yesterday with a woman who volunteers for an organization I'm interested in, she explained how she and her bf got married but kept their own houses. Idea....hmmmm! Perhaps that could be our answer.

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That's all good to read, Hops (not the ventilator bit but I do get what you mean.  Choosing what you will and won't do in your final days is important, I think - I think we should all have the right not to put ourselves through something horrible.  But I am obviously always hoping that it won't come to that for you).  And yes, own houses.  Helena Bonham Carter and Tim Burton quite famously had houses next door to one another with connecting doors.  I think it sounds very sensible.

I think my health is improving, too.  Stress levels much reduced.  Lots more down time than usual.  Eating much better food because I'm not grabbing crap as I rush from one thing to the next and I've got time to plan and make nice meals, instead of having to do things because they're quick or I'm too tired to cook.  Time to do yoga, and dance, and garden, and do housework.  Son and I are doing a workout video each day to keep him active.  Lots of vitamins and supplements at the moment in an attempt to keep the immune system up.  Far less caffeine, as I'm not having to keep myself going through the day (just woke up from a nap now!).  Ironic that the risk of ill health might make us a bit healthier :)  Can they still keep your monitor machine working without you going anywhere or did you need to go to hospital to get it checked or anything? xx

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« Reply #86 on: March 26, 2020, 08:14:40 AM »
Apparently one week's isolation is enough for people to start showing psychological stress symptoms.

Those of us at the farm, are managing OK. Things to do besides wear on each other helps. HUMOR seems to be useful as well. And for whatever reason, I am the person people reach out to, when they start losing it.

So, I've stepped in and sorted out some panic at the shop; I was glad to see that for once my brother & I were on the same page there. And he was engaging too. Not so much at home, according to my mother... who bent my ear for a couple hours while I was working up to my own breaking point. SIGH... (same old same old there)

Friend Debbie is starting to bounce off the walls - I think she depends on work for an exchange of problems to deal with and work problems are ones she's not THAT emotionally engaged with. She seems easy to make giggle though... so not around the bend yet.

Both girls (mine) are claiming they are such empaths that they are at the mercy of all the awful things happening in the world. Already had listened & pondered Hol's version of that before Amy called. I had to explain that all the awful things have ALWAYS gone on in the world - and they weren't about to stop now - and as an empath, she has to remember to take care of herself FIRST or she can't take care of others. That she has a DUTY to care for herself. I made her laugh with my usual sick, twisted dark humor.

Methinks that particular thread of caring, lends itself to a lot of catastrophizing. And then, when the situation is so dire, irreversible (permanent), and awful in one's imagination.... we are in the thrall of it. Until another things comes along to shift us out of that idee fixe. Or so today's theory is runnning anyway. In my head. LOL.

Buck's oldest - she's the same age as Hol - is in hospital in London. Tested positive and has lupus. He is hanging in there, having promised her he won't do anything rash to try to "save" her - ie, get her back to the US. At this point, she's better off getting the care she can THERE than traveling. IMO. He went out to his shop and beat on some steel to straighten it instead.

That is the next phase to get into here at the farm - physical labor, as the weather starts to warm up and looks like it will stay that way more often now. I have taken it upon myself to keep the kitchen clean & functional & sanitized. Bathroom is ready for plumbers... and I have a little more work on the walls to accomplish... then I can move back into that room and use it. Carpenters need to do a little more trim on the wall, from the other side of the bath.

Then I'll get started on the bedroom itself.
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« Reply #87 on: March 26, 2020, 11:28:54 AM »
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« Reply #88 on: March 26, 2020, 11:33:18 AM »
Lord, YES to keeping a his and her residence, Hops.

Especially when one has really BIG energy and the other more subtle.

So glad you're back in victuals, Tupp. 

So far I've made a big pot of ham and bean soup.... so comforting.... a large pot of spaghetti sauce with pork (Italians would call it pork salsa) and we make a daily pot of rice in the rice cooker. 

I haven't had Tupp's surge of lightness and energy.... I thought I would, but I distinctly do not.  Yesterday was better... just cleaning a bathroom and the kitchen left me feeling much better this morning, though I woke with a stitch in the back of my neck. 

I see the vet tech student posted her services to the neighborhood board.  I'm trying to figure out how to suit her up and me, while we work on baby girl pug together.  DIY taped masks and splash guards won't be 100% but they'll get me through 5 minutes of very close contact, or so I figure.  I know I won't be breathing someone else's air back and forth with nothing between us.   Gloves will go in a bag outside. 

CB:  The pie baking and mindful enjoyment of food was nice to read.  It turned my attention to being more intentional around it too.   

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Lighter, to be safe you need to hand pug over at the door of the vet and then go and wait in the car.  Paper masks don't offer protection because they don't filter the particles out.  You need specialist medical masks for that, even standard surgery masks don't do the job.  I can send you some links for info if you want.  Safer to hand pug over, let them do what they need to do (they will follow impeccable standards at a vet, I would imagine) and then they can meet you at the door again to hand her back.  No close contact is safe, however brief.  Even fully masked, gowned, hygiene savvy medical staff are falling ill here, one nurse has died.  It's not breathing someone else's air that's the problem, it's the particles in the air that matter and you need specialist masks to stop those getting through.  Doesn't matter how brief the contact is.  Honestly, you have three kids at home all depending on you, please don't think paper masks will protect you, even for a short time.  Keep safe and well, we need cooking and moss updates regularly :) xx xx

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« Reply #89 on: March 26, 2020, 11:40:35 AM »
Thanks for asking, Tupp. I have several "phone-in" appointments where I put the thingie on my chest and it electronically sends in a data summary to the hospital. I won't have an in-person followup for months, so hopefully the surge will have crested by then. Not looking forward to going in, but if I stay healthy, all will be well.

Amber, I agree with you about catastrophizing, and feeding fear, and focusing on the scariest anecdotes. I have to skip over that tone sometimes because it feeds my own fear furnace. That said, I also have a craving for information from reliable sources (not social media or rumor or someone-who-knows-someone, kind of thing).

Lighter, the risk is quite high for younger people too, and if you read about people in the ICU and on ventilators, cardiac arrest doesn't seem a strange outcome. If you want to contemplate it (I almost wish I had NOT read this but have a drive for evidence):
https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients

My advice to anybody about that article is to carefully consider your mental well being.

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