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« Reply #570 on: April 08, 2021, 01:46:31 PM »
I liked it too.

A lot more colorful than "glass half empty."

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« Reply #571 on: April 12, 2021, 08:03:18 AM »
I like the maggots in cupcakes as well :)

I've been reading on the 'Dear Pandemic' website, which I find very helpful (they're a group of all female scientists who are very good at explaining what it's all about in easy to read ways, but with links to all the science stuff so that boffins can read the difficult bits :) ).  They were talking about transmission and saying that the possible bump in the road is that, if people still keep catching it and passing it on to others, whether they're vaccinated or not, there's more chance of further mutations.  And apparently the more mutations there are, the greater the chances that the current vaccines won't work against them and then we're back to square one again.  It made more sense to me than some of the other stuff I've read; I think they just contextualise it in a way that I understand more.

Things are opening up again here; non essential shops and services reopened today so we went into town to go to the library.  It was busy but that's to be expected when everything's been shut for so long.  There were long queues outside the barber shops; I'm not the only one with enormous hair!  It was nice to go and get some new books; I picked up one that has ideas for short walks in the area and thought I'd use that as a guide for son and I to venture a bit further afield now.  But we're still going to be very careful; I still think not catching it is the best way to deal with the situation and I'm sticking to that aim for the time being.

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« Reply #572 on: April 14, 2021, 09:10:51 AM »
I thought I'd cut and paste Hopsie's group discussion topic from her 'On A Break' thread and put it here as it was Pandemic related.  I've been pondering the questions over the last few days:

TOPIC: What Does it Mean to Me? Personal Lessons from the Pandemic

This is about glimpses of meaning that have arisen for us (individually) as a result of all this time alone and/or with changed lives, due to the pandemic.

QUESTIONS TO PONDER

1) What have I learned from this experience that has surprised me?
2) What has been the "gift within the problem"? Discoveries, nuances large or small.
3) What has been the hardest part, and what will I ask for now in my life to help me heal from it?

My own thoughts at the moment are:

1)  I've learnt that I don't actually crave lots of friends, business, places to go and people to see.  I'd always thought I felt so very lonely because I didn't have enough in my life.  Now I think it was because I had too much, but not of the right kind of thing.  I've realised that one of the main things I struggle with is endless boredom.  I find my own life boring (because so much of it has to revolve around son)
and I rarely get time to do anything that I enjoy doing (and don't find boring).  So I don't often feel I have much to offer in a conversation, and I don't tend to find other people talking about their lives terribly interesting when that revolves around shopping, booking holidays and arguing with their husbands (and I'm not knocking that, I just don't find it all that interesting).

I've also been surprised by a lot of the people I know.  A lot of them are left wing/New Age/bohemian/hippy types (pick whichever suits best but you get the gist), and generally all very love, peace and equality kind of people.  I've been astonished how quickly the love, peace and unity went out of the window when keeping the elderly and disabled safe meant they couldn't go out and how many of them felt their needs should be prioritised over anyone who was at risk.  I've heard some truly awful comments from some of them (not everyone, of course, but some really shocked me), and I think I became a bit disillusioned by the whole thing.  That surprised me, I thought they'd all be reaching out to help and organising love ins on Facebook but the opposite's been true.

Son has surprised me with how quickly he adapted, how patient he's been with the whole situation and how well he got into the science of it all and wanted to learn more about viruses and vaccines in general.

2)  The gift, I think, has been realising that I want a lot less of what I had before, not a lot more.  Realising that son doesn't need dozens of groups to go to has been a help, as has seeing how much healthier and happier I feel when I'm not out all day and am not rushing about all the time.  Having time to think, read, watch entire films/shows/box sets without falling asleep has been nice.  I like that I've learnt more about science and feel like I understand my own health better now.

3)  The hardest part - hmm.  I think maybe realising how many years I've spent putting other people first instead of prioritising myself.  That's become apparent with all of this staying in (and none of the people I've run round after calling to ask how we are).  I think I've realised how many decisions I've made that haven't been about what I want or need, and I think I realised how little I value myself and what I do.  That's been hard to acknowledge - I guess all the time at home means the usual distractions aren't there and I can't hide behind things.  I guess the lesson to learn from that is to try really hard now to keep this sense of space and stillness and not get sucked back in to doing all the things I used to do.  I think I need to try really hard not to expect things from people or events - just try more to take it as it comes and not read too much into things or dwell too much (I find not dwelling really hard but it's not healthy so I'm really trying to refocus my mind on other things).  I'll add more if I can think of anything else! xx

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« Reply #573 on: April 21, 2021, 11:24:58 AM »
Well restrictions are starting to ease here and case numbers are going up, as are the number of deaths.  It does worry me, even with vaccines being rolled out.  What I've read (and this is decent quality scientific stuff, as far as I know) is that (1) the vaccines were tested on fit and healthy people, for obvious reasons, so there won't be clear indications of how effective they are for people with pre existing conditions (like my son) for some time - which could mean they aren't as effective in some people as they are in others.  (2) as I understand it long Covid isn't linked to getting a severe bout (I read of a study in California where 35% of people with long Covid hadn't even known they'd had Covid) - so catching it at all could still mean ending up with longer term health problems, even if you don't get seriously ill with it initially.  And (3), apparently the more it transmits back and forth, particularly across different countries, the more chances there are for it to continue to mutate - which could mean we get to a point where the current vaccines are less effective, or even completely ineffective.  It does worry me, mostly because it just means that I don't feel the risk to myself and son personally has gone away.  It's less risky than it was, but still more risky than the usual day to day things that can happen.  I'd really love to see the numbers staying low.  Just hoping that they don't go through the roof again as the have on each of the previous occasions we've come out of lockdown.

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« Reply #574 on: April 27, 2021, 03:00:22 AM »
Hiya, Two,

The Coronavirus burnout effect worries me a lot too. Also, here in U.S. it's such a politicized issue. Very smart people are poo-pooing it on the right of politics & it has become sort of a right politics identity thing to act like Covid is harmless.

keep thinking of this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%86on_Flux_(film)

Agreed, I don't feel the risk to myself or the people I know has really gone down in a long-term sort of way. As time goes on more people don't give a shit it seems just another thing to normalize.


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« Reply #575 on: April 27, 2021, 10:51:56 AM »
Hiya, Two,

The Coronavirus burnout effect worries me a lot too. Also, here in U.S. it's such a politicized issue. Very smart people are poo-pooing it on the right of politics & it has become sort of a right politics identity thing to act like Covid is harmless.

keep thinking of this:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%86on_Flux_(film)

Agreed, I don't feel the risk to myself or the people I know has really gone down in a long-term sort of way. As time goes on more people don't give a shit it seems just another thing to normalize.

Over here people seem to be picking the facts that suit what they want to do :)  Those who are chomping at the bit to go on holiday and go out socialising insist the risk is low (or non existent), those who have to cope with the fallout (medical staff etc) are understandably very cautious, people like me who have found it easier to stay in than cope with the normal world anyway are saying "yeah, ten cases locally, I'm not going anywhere" :) I have booked us both in for haircuts and eye appointments today; we're very overdue for both and it did feel nice to have a few things in the diary, albeit very spaced out and quite minor things.  Personally I still feel that with no long term knowledge of the virus, the vaccine or the economic/other health problems caused by lockdowns that not catching it and not spreading it around is still the best way to go so we're keeping our bubble small :) x

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« Reply #576 on: April 28, 2021, 01:20:16 AM »
Oh CB, that's great news, I'm so glad you've been able to see some of the kids and get some fresh veggies and take out!  It's funny how people have missed different things.  For some it's long holidays and evenings out, for others it's something a bit nicer for dinner and a low risk catch up, and a thousand other things in between.  Aw, it must have been lovely to see them after all this time :)

I'm sticking with essentials and low risk activity for now.  I'll continue to order everything online, the only exception being that we have a large supermarket a ten minute walk from the house - if I need/want fresh veg I can nip over there when they open at 6am and whizz round an almost empty shop to get what I need (plus one of my neighbours works there and very kindly said that if we ever get stuck text her the shopping list and she'll bring it back with her).  We'll go to the cinema once it opens again next month; we pick the quietest times of day to go, their social distancing and hygiene rules are very good and the seats are left empty in between family groups so you've got space inside, plus masks.  That feels fairly safe to me and for us a couple of hours engrossed in a film is just a godsend, we've both really missed that.  Other than that we'll stick to outdoor stuff (beach picnic, walks etc) but we'll carry on going out either early morning or late evening.  We live in a holiday hotspot and it just gets packed over the summer months anyway; with limited foreign travel it will probably be even busier.  We do the bus on the routes I feel are 'safe' which is basically very local; they limit the number of people so that you can keep space on the bus, masks are mandatory and the bus drivers enforce that (there are exemptions, obviously).  We are keeping our eyes open for a little car or van which will mean we can travel further afield without being in contact with too many but I'm still being very cautious about public loos and things like that - I know my loo is clean and no-one but son and I have used it so I prefer to stay closer to home for that reason, too!

I was watching the news footage of the situation in India last night and it's just heartbreaking and I think a reminder that (a) this hasn't gone away yet and (b) it's a worldwide situation.  I think globally we got it wrong by different countries taking different approaches.  I think we could have nipped this in the bud much sooner if everyone had worked together with the aim of eliminating it from the start.  Hindsight, I know, but even without medical knowledge it would seem sensible to me not to let something like this spread and just hope it's not too bad.  Anyhoo.  I am very glad you got to see your lovelies and that your safety level is up, CB, and I hope there are chances for lots more get togethers to come xx

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« Reply #577 on: April 28, 2021, 02:03:39 AM »

Over here people seem to be picking the facts that suit what they want to do :)  Those who are chomping at the bit to go on holiday and go out socialising insist the risk is low (or non existent), those who have to cope with the fallout (medical staff etc) are understandably very cautious, people like me who have found it easier to stay in than cope with the normal world anyway are saying "yeah, ten cases locally, I'm not going anywhere" :) I have booked us both in for haircuts and eye appointments today; we're very overdue for both and it did feel nice to have a few things in the diary, albeit very spaced out and quite minor things.  Personally I still feel that with no long term knowledge of the virus, the vaccine or the economic/other health problems caused by lockdowns that not catching it and not spreading it around is still the best way to go so we're keeping our bubble small :) x

Definitely, we see a selective adoption of facts and ideas. I guess more and more people are getting shots so they feel safer. I'm so used to avoiding people at this point and still haven't had a shot. There has been so much confusion and fuss that it feels safer to stay away because every once in a while there is someone who sneezes into another's face like they intend to give CPR.

Good job on getting the appointments taken care of.

One does wonder how much of this pandemic would have been truly solved if people were doing in earnest what we should have done from the start by responding seriously and quickly to it.

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« Reply #578 on: April 29, 2021, 04:26:59 AM »
I'm keeping an eye on local numbers - up ten the first week, twenty five this week.  I can only assume either people aren't taking precautions or the precautions aren't enough.  Either way, it means we need to keep our distance for some considerable time yet.

Pseudo, yes, I think it should have been taken seriously much sooner x

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« Reply #579 on: May 18, 2021, 10:11:39 PM »
I think we're lucky this wasn't Ebola. 

Couldn't, should'a, would'a.....the powers that be didn't prioritize containment.  Containment was never on the table, imo.

DD20 is sick today after receiving J&J vaccine last night at Publix.  DD18 and I received J&J at a CVS last week.  DD18 was pretty ill for days.  I felt bad when I worked too long and recovered quickly with rest.

I feel such relief we're all vaccinated.

It's a relief to be home a few days.

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« Reply #580 on: May 28, 2021, 09:04:59 AM »
Glad you've had your jabs, Lighter.  I've had both of my shots, son's still waiting for his second.  Hopefully not long now.

It seems to be a bit of a mixed bag here at the moment.  Cases, numbers in hospitals and deaths are going up, but slowly and it's nothing like the situation it was at the beginning of the year.  I think for us, personally, the worst has passed, although we are still being very cautious and the only indoor activity we're partaking in is the cinema, which is kept very clean and has very strict rules and one way systems in place.  The Indian variant seems to have taken a few who've been fully vaccinated but that said, none of the vaccines are 100% effective anyway so it's hard to know whether it's that particular variant getting past it or if it's more that that's the one most people are getting at the moment.

I personally think what comes next is going to be the hardest.  Public sector services have buckled completely under the strain and there are huge backlogs now for healthcare, with many staff threatening to leave because of poor pay and poor conditions.  A lot of people have taken big financial hits and that's going to be a strain for many and the feeling of community that was there when it started seems to have gone.  Only time will tell, I guess.

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« Reply #581 on: May 29, 2021, 10:56:16 AM »
I'm a little shocked at people gathering without masks...... not using them in public buldings...... just going back to normal, like everything is over here. 

I suspect it's the anti vaccers not wearing masks, btw.  The ones still wearing masks are likely those with vaccines and awareness it's not over.  Yet.

I still wear my mask indoors, for instsance.   

I'm not worrying all the time about it, but then.... I try to be careful.  Do what I can.  Not be stupid.  Just get on with my day. 

I'm glad your cinema feels safe to you. 

Hopefully you'll have a vehicle soon so you can get around and do more again, particularly since you and ds will be fully vacced soon.

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« Reply #582 on: June 05, 2021, 07:33:23 AM »
Masks are still mandatory inside public buildings and on public transport at the moment over here, Lighter.  June 21st was supposed to be the day all restrictions were lifted but case numbers are rising again and so are the numbers of people in the hospital.  The death rate is still quite low.  Personally I wouldn't feel confident about restrictions easing just now and if they do lift them completely, I think we'll be staying home a lot for at least another couple of months while we wait to see what happens.  Son is getting his second jab next week so I'm hoping for a couple of quiet days at home after than just in case he reacts to it and then fingers crossed, getting a little car.  At least that will mean we can get out to some nice quiet places without too many people around for walks and picnics xx

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« Reply #583 on: June 05, 2021, 05:48:06 PM »
You sound pretty solid, Tupp.

Things are returning to normal for us.  Depending where we are, people wear or don't wear masks.  I'm usually wearing a mask, but sometimes I just get too hot, can't think and pull it down when others aren't wearing theirs.  If they are, I suck it up and wear mine.

I feel more solid in our ability to fight the virus/have a better outcome if we get it, bc we're been immunized.  I don't feel it's going to keep us from getting it.  There's less fear.  More normalcy.

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« Reply #584 on: June 06, 2021, 04:24:01 AM »
I don't know if they're using different ones in different countries.  All of the ones they're using here, as far as I'm aware, definitely don't stop you catching it or passing it on, they just reduce your chances of being seriously ill if you catch it.  They've only been tested on fit and healthy people with well functioning immune systems so I'm still taking the view that it might not offer enough protection for those of us whose circumstances are different and being very careful.  Quite honestly I've preferred not being around people - I don't like busy places anyway and packed buses make me shudder even at the best of times.  I like the masks as well - I've not been told once to smile when I'm out and I hadn't realised how often that happens until it didn't happen?  It's funny, isn't it?  I might keep mine well after everything is over so that everyone thinks I'm highly infectious and keeps away from me :)  Lol xx