Author Topic: Another way to look at detachment  (Read 2988 times)

Debkor

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Another way to look at detachment
« on: February 28, 2007, 11:39:13 AM »
Words create different ways to define and I wish to offer you another way to look at detachment. When we live in our intellect we are not detached because the process of intellect is essentialy binary in the same way a computer is. Everthing is judged and catorgarized through an infinate series of yes and no answers. When we silence the mind we end this process during the silence and without the intellect being involved in other then silent observation we are detaced by default as ther is procees to create attachment in a silent mind. Whenever we loose our silence we are instantly brought back into our programed patterns of attachment. Our language and our mathamatics are all based on attachments to catagorizing. Our emotional patterns are predetermined by our genetic inherited emotional memory as well as emotional memeories in the present life.

Creating a silence of the emotional being requires observing and learning to know self. when we have identified a pattern the stored emotion behind the pattern is allowed to surface and released just as a computer can have it's memeory errased. Emotions that are released free the individual to feel in the present without the experinces of the past recreating the same mistakes in the present.

I have discribed to essentialy different processes here because the life force is comunicated to all life through feelings wich trigger hormones throughtout the body so that every cell is on the same page. Emotions are just feelings frozen in the past wich prevent us from living in the moment. Mental Silence frees us from mental patterns in the same way allowing us to experince the ecstacy. The mental process of healing is self observation in the same way emotions are. Through this self examination we observe our patterns of thought and modify them to reflect the KNOWING we experience with the silent mind. Ecstacy is the experince of the infinate force that we feel through our life force. We can experince enlightenment or ecstacy without having healed emotions and intellect, but our ability to live in this state is dependent on our healing wich becomes self evident in the form of knowing or truth that we feel so deeply it transends our emotions and intellectual beliefs. Enlightenment is a process though at any given moment in that process we are enlightened if compared to one who is refusing see. Fear of loosing our individuality and that essense we call our personality is the motivation of those who tenatiously cling to their patterns of disfunction.

In many cultures the emotional healing is dicribed as feminine and the intellectual healing as the male process. Becoming whole and healing both the feminine and masculine is a very powerful state and anyone on this path of being both their feminine and masculine selves is in a position to create a union of souls instead of an intersection where the couple is interdependant for survival. The goal of tantric is this union of two completed souls.

Detachment is not a goal but rater a lack of the emotional and intellectual factors wich create attachment


I found this on another web site.
Interesting (got me thinking)

Love Deb

Lupita

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Re: Another way to look at detachment
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2007, 05:09:59 PM »
Nice post. Can you give me any idea on what can I do to detach from things that hurt? How can I prevent the negative thought to come to my mind? Thank you.
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Re: Another way to look at detachment
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2007, 05:37:41 PM »
Sure Lupita,

I found something really interesting and reading it clears somethings up for me with patterns on how we think.
hang on I'll get it and post it.

Deb. 

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Re: Another way to look at detachment
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2007, 05:55:16 PM »
Thank you Deb. Cant wait. God bless!!!

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Re: Another way to look at detachment
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2007, 06:05:40 PM »

Here you go Lupita,

I'm doing some of these now but I have to make dinner and my kid is sick so I have to wait till I have alone time so I can really sit and think.  
Have fun!  

 Firstly the intelectual healing you speak of, and the mental patterns that keep us locked away from the magic that's all around. I've been learning about mental patterns and thought I should share. As you say, you can compare our mental processes to a computer - Once we can analyse the individual pieces of the 'code' or programing language that runs us, we can begin to take it appart. Many people think of these pieces as the internal dialogue (that's why there is an emphasis on silencing your mind) - but it seems that the programing language/code actually includes all of our sensory systems.

So we have Visual, Auditory, Kinesthetic (feeling), Olfactory and Gustatory (VAKOG) although there are further distinctions such as internal/external etc. The ones that affect our patterns the most are the first three: Visual, Auditory and Kinesthetic (VAK). Now what's really interesting is that you can tell what patterns people run by looking at their eyes. Have a look HERE for an interactive chart showing the correspondence between each eye position and its euivalent sensory system.

Try this out: Ask someone to remember the colour of their fist car, 90% of the time people will look up and to your right (their left) and then tell you the colour. Now that's just an isolated part of a pattern - ask someone about their grand parents and you will get a whole pattern with the eyes moving all over the place (the patterns are very individual to each person). One can study these patterns to improve performance in specific tasks - for example excellent spellers all run the same pattern when spelling - you ask them to spell a word and they will look up to the right and then down to the left... this means when they look up to the right then remember a visual picture of the word and when they look down left to see if it feels right. bad spellers will often look to the right or down to the right, to remember how you spell the word phonetically - in english this is a very ineffective strategy.

We run such patterns constantly, we often have favourite sensory systems that we always rely on, but unfortunately disregard others. People with a post traumatic stress disorder will often remember what they saw and heard but hardly ever what they felt, because they try to block it out, but the blocking out is what keeps the stress stuck there... that's why some therapies such as Eye Movement Integration are so effective - they break the habitual pattern and force the client to unblock their feelings, and let go of the stress.

So the first step to completely healing the mental aspect of ourselves is becoming concious of the seemingly small and insignificant patterns that we unconciously run all the time. To start becoming concious of these patterns remember a slightly unpleasant memory - notice which sensory system you go to first (is it something you saw? is it someone's voice or a sound? or is it a feeling in your body?) people usually go to their preffered sensory system first and then move onto another one, thus running a mini pattern. Make the memory vivid make your picture clearer, notice where in your visual field this picture is, pay attention to the sounds, notice whose voice you can hear (if you can) or what the sound is and where it is coming from, when noticing your feeling, pay attention to where the feeling starts in your body, and then where it moves (usually the feeling then loops back round to the starting position). If you want to feel better about this memory trace the feeling backwards many times (speeding up each turn). Next remember a time you felt absolutely amazing and again notice each of the sensory systems in the same way, and pay attention to the difference between the two memories - this is very important (for example the pictures may be in a different position in your field of vision, they might have a different quality whether in colour, texture, brightness, 3D etc).

Pay attention to other people's patterns when you interact, this will help you become concious of your own patterns faster. It's important to break things down into the VAK system, since you can then become much more concious of what happens. Notice what you do when you get angry, when you are sad, when very happy, when peacefull etc. Once you stop running patterns uncociously (i.e. you will choose what pattern to run and when to run it, and if you dont want to you wont run any patterns at all), you will have achieved the no-ego state in day-to-day life.
Concerning emotions, what I believe the problem is, is that we try to supress bad emotions and keep getting good emotions - this gets us stuck and completely limits our emotional bandwidth... once you stop holding onto good feelings and running from bad feelings a transformation happens... every feeling whether thought of as 'good' or 'bad' will feel magical and teach you something important each time
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deb


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Re: Another way to look at detachment
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2007, 06:08:21 PM »
whoops the eye chart didn't post.
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Re: Another way to look at detachment
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2007, 06:32:51 PM »
Wow!!! I have to read it several times to internalize the concept. Amazing!!! Thank you so much for your time and consideration.
God bless!!!

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Re: Another way to look at detachment
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2007, 07:34:59 PM »
Lupita,

Your very welcme Lup.  when I tried to do a quicky on this.  I thought about something unplesant which was my exn and could see that when I thought about him my unconcious pattern ran like this,,  visual,audio,kin.  Now I'll sit later and see if that pattern is ok. I"m all mind boggled now. 

Deb

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Re: Another way to look at detachment
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2007, 08:31:28 PM »
Hi Lupita,
I think the book The Four Agreements might be very helpful to you now.

For changing thoughts.

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Re: Another way to look at detachment
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2007, 08:36:07 PM »
Remember one time, everybody laughed at me in a class, worst of it, provoked by the teacher. I felt paralyzed. Took me several minutes to recover. I was an adult and paid several thousand dollars for that course. After that felt shame and sadness for a couple of days. Don't know how to put it in the perspective that you have presented. What I most remember is the humiliation. The sound of the laughing is magnified, not so much the laughing but the pity that some friends showed to me. Thank you for your insight on this.

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Re: Another way to look at detachment
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2007, 08:38:07 PM »
Thank you hop. That is something else to try. I have a lot of homework. :D

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Re: Another way to look at detachment
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2007, 07:40:56 AM »
thinking of great ones an hour later can lead to thiinking of a great one just in time.  If this doesn't happen soon enough I definitely recommend the direct approach before she gives up.  I suspect he would respond well to a gentlte tease but if that is too diffficult to think of DEFINTELY let him know directly.  If you think he is clueless that he is hurting her feelings he needs to know immediately. 

Perhaps she could write a note or she could say something like - "Mr. _______ I love your sense of humore but sometimes it hits home too close."

As always- my thoughts are with you CB123. - GS

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Re: Another way to look at detachment
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2007, 09:24:10 AM »
Hiya,
I don't want to monsterize her teacher but I do think it's an imbalance of power (teacher-student) and for that reason, it's even more important that the older taller teacher NOT get into "teasing" of a female student, except in the mildest briefest way.

It's a boundary thing too. If he keeps it up, ignores her discomfort, etc.--even if he's basically a nice person, he may be unwittingly indulging himself at her expense.

Longwinded windup to saying that I felt when I read your description that your daughter is dealing with a mild form of harrassment and he should CUT IT OUT. And I want your daughter to know that it is fine, perfectly okay, absolutely benign and appropriate for her to look him straight in the eye and the next time he does this, say CUT IT OUT.

Why is she supposed to be able to "take it" anyway? What's that message?
I dislike that thought.

Grouchy old feministically....

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Re: Another way to look at detachment
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2007, 11:50:55 AM »
Hey CB,

Yes, I agree with everyone else.  Direct approach.  There is only so much teasing you can do to someone before it crosses the line into abuse.  It sounds like your daughter is starting to feel this way.  He may have a very good sense of humor but why is at your daughters expense.  She has to put a stop to it now. Maybe he is not aware of what he is doing so she should make him aware.
I don’t know CB if it’s in front of the class when he does it.  Maybe she can stop and say loudly, Do you enjoy embarrassing me in front of the class? I do not.  I’m telling you to stop now. Let him be embarrassed see how she feels.  I’m sure he can take it. Just like he thinks she can. Hit the ball back into his court.

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Re: Another way to look at detachment
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2007, 01:13:53 PM »
CB

I agree totally with your daughter speaking up. She might not be able to say a lot of words to this teacher because of her stress. Sometimes just saying clearly
OUCH!" and saying it without laughing can be clear enough. She may not change his behaviour but speaking up for her self with raise her self esteem.
I would call teasing like this passive aggressive ie. like having a dog lick your face while pssing on your foot.

Deb

Wow, your thoughts on the processing of feelings and the problems that arise when they are not deatl with on a feeling level, were so interesting.
I have studiend Eye Movement Desensitization and currently see a therapist who uses this. One of the techniques used is to summon up a painful event from the past and summon up the feelings associated with that event.  Then the therapist guides the cleint in moving her eyes back and forth at about rate of heartbeats. So ideas and feelings are moved through and they lose their hideous impact.  This has worked for me. My therapist suggessted that I do this myself when I am terribly triggered.
I choose two spots on the wall on opposites sides of the room and move my eyes back and forth between the two spots.  Soon I heave a sigh and then I stop. It works.

I agree that we can discuss things intellectually and it helps but working through the feelings is the real healing.

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