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Sally

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My journey of Self Discovery Thru the N Minefield
« on: May 25, 2007, 09:33:15 AM »
Hello

I wanted to post about my journey thru the N minefield, my discoveries and realizations.  I hope other people will also share their journeys.  I feel so good to hear other people’s stories because it makes me feel less alone.

For about the past year, I’ve been reading this web site and other web sites that discuss dealing with N people.  I’ve also read many, many (MANY) books on Nism and been in therapy.

My father died 10 years ago and my mother died around 2 years ago.  I grew up in a house that was full of yelling. 

I have an older brother (he’s 45).  He can’t hold a job.  I support him thru a family business.  I recently confirmed that my brother is a misogynist (he hates women). 

Up until my mother died, she and I ran the family business.  I used to think that my mother and I were equal partners in the business, but my therapist showed me that my mother retained all management control of the business and always thwarted my attempts to make improvements.  I had always thought that my mother could be hard to deal with, but I didn’t realize she had N traits until after she died.

So, how did I get on the road of N discovery?  After my mother died, I asked my brother to help me with the business and he did.  But, his “help” involved me being subjected to his rages multiple times a day.  Once I called 911 and the cops came:  I had asked my brother to leave (because I couldn’t take his screaming) and he refused (as he always did) and he continued yelling at me so I called the cops.

I spoke to a friend of mine about the 911 incident and my friend said my brother sounded like a “Borderline”.  So, I read about Borderline Personality disorder and that cross referenced Narcissism.  I decided that my brother has N traits.  Reading about Nism lead me to see that an N often has at least one N parent.  I can’t decide which of my parents was the N: it’s a toss up.

As I read about Nism, I, of course, looked at myself and my relationships (love, friendship, employment) and I saw that many, if not most, of my boyfriends were Ns and that due to my upbringing, I subjected myself to Ns:  I allowed boyfriends, friends and employers to mistreat me, I always second guessed myself, I ignored or rationalized my feelings, I didn’t listen to my gut, my voice within, and I didn’t think I deserved good things in my life.

After reading many books and web sites on Nism and going to therapy, I realized that my feelings and ideas, my “world view”, were typical of someone who is raised in a “dysfunctional” home by N parents. 

I have also realized that when someone is raised in a “dysfunctional” home by N parents, you don’t know what “normal” is, so, you allow people to mistreat you because you’ve been mistreated all your life and (a) you think the mistreatment is “normal” and (b) you realize that you don’t know what “normal” really is.

So, as an adult, I have to learn what is and is not “normal” or “mistreatment”.

Also, now I listen to my inner voice and watch for “red Flags” which I used to rationalize and excuse because my parents told me I was too sensitive and over reacting.

While I may sound very “matter of fact” in telling my story, it has been a VERY, VERY painful and shocking journey and I still have a long way to go.

I used to think “journey of self discovery” was a trite cliché, but no more.  I am on a “journey of self discovery”.

I’m about 25% to 33% thru my journey.  What have I learned, experienced, discovered so far?
-a huge sense of sadness for all the wasted years,
-disappointment that my parents were so messed up,
-shock that I, as an adult, am beginning to learn what is “normal”,
-A sense of joy in feeling “validated”,
-A sense of joy in feeling that I should trust my inner voice,
-stronger because I can now identify “red flags”.

These are some of my discoveries in my journey of self discovery. I’d love to hear about yours.

Love to you all,
Sally

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Re: My journey of Self Discovery Thru the N Minefield
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2007, 04:28:54 PM »
Hi Sally,
Your story sounds familiar! I was brought up with a N father and a very very distant mother. Then I married a man who has borderline and N tendencies. I went about 15 years of living with someone who practiced "soul murder" daily (none of my own opinions, needs, desires ever mattered, only the ones that agreed with him were honored, upheld, etc. Plus alot more but for the sake of time and space, I'll leave it at that!). I saw a therapist (that he recommended), came home in a shock. She "treated" me for being in an abusive relationship. That's when I learned about boundaries, the beginnings of finding out what's "normal" in a relationship, etc.

It's now been a few years since that day I came home with my eyes opened. After going through with a divorce, dating a little, then going back with him to try and work things out, I feel like I've been on a journey across the universe. I've learned so much about myself, him, people in general. I still learn every day. Sometimes I post here, asking opinions because I STILL don't always get what a normal person would consider abusive (I'm so used to it).

Anyway, I strive to be a great mom to my kids and teach them about boundaries, bullying, being true to yourself, having a sense of independence, and being good to others. That's what's most important to me.

Daily, I struggle with - am I doing the right thing? Am I in the right place? I don't know. Each day, each decision, though IS MINE and I OWN them. And that feels good.

Dandylife
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Re: My journey of Self Discovery Thru the N Minefield
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2007, 01:35:37 PM »


Hi Sally,

Just wanted to give you a Sunday hello.  Love your posts.  So much of your story resonates with me.

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Re: My journey of Self Discovery Thru the N Minefield
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2007, 12:52:57 PM »
I can soooo relate to your situation.  I am there too, trying to unravel the mess and see what would be normal.  There was no wisdom provided.  We have to find it on our own.  Good for you for your research and contemplation.  I admire your efforts. 

As for me, it has been hard to face the fact that the problems in my household are not just those brought on my my H's N tendencies (NT), but also by behaviors I learned from my N mom.  She brought up her three kids in a household where we endured her screaming and yelling, acting as if everything had to be about her, distorting the truth, and generally making everybody around her miserable.  Now, when I get frustrated, which happens pretty often with two kids and an NT H who likes to taunt the kids and me for kicks, I act just like my nut-case N mom (diagnosis of N mom was via sister's T).

I don't want to be like my N mom.  I can't stand her and I have lots company in this.  I am trying so hard to just walk away when people do things that deliberately or accidentally annoy me.  I can't waste time being reactive.  I must lead the way, set a good example, refuse to get sucked into their childish BS.  My time and efforts are critical to keeping our family on track and happy.  The rest of them will pull me away from the very things that I need to get done for their own happiness.

I have started talking to them only while I do other things.  Multi-tasking as I field their endless commentary makes me feel less anxiety as I listen to see if there is anything real there.  If it's just more of the same, chit chat from H about how only Kryptonite can hurt him so he can thrive on junk food, etc., I try to just leave it alone.  I think he's starting to notice that he can't get a reaction out of me with BS.  Phew! 

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Re: My journey of Self Discovery Thru the N Minefield
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2007, 01:07:55 PM »
Wow.
GOOD work, Confounded!

I wonder if anger management training would be helpful to you?

I know when my D is frustrated, which is frequent, and often appears to be related to other people's illogic, she winds up getting angry. But I know it doesn't make her happy to be "right".

Sometimes I think it's an anxiety reaction that might be related to her feeling she has to fix everything. So if someone talks nonsense or behaves illogically or irrationally, she has a button pushed that says, But how do I respond to this? This doens't make sense so I don't know what my response should be! Help!

It's like, she always has to have The Answer, or she's anxious...then frustrated...then angry. That cycle.

Does that feel familiar to you? Could it be a fear response? Fear of not being in control of things? I imagine a good T might ask you, what would happen if you had no control? What would happen if he were allowed to pursue that irrational line of thought? What would happen if he did a job poorly? And then what would happen? And after that, then what?

I've been queried like that by a T. I think the goal was to get me to stop disasterizing.

Hops
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