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Ales2

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Even the Professionals Dont See It ....Part 2
« on: October 20, 2009, 01:16:33 PM »
A new thread for this topic because I wanted to draw attention to this article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/20/health/20mind.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Its sad - the therapist is not sure entirely how to deal with destructive parents. And, does not seem to be aware of the 50 plus books on Nism.  This is exactly what you were saying Sealnyx!  (Dr. G - you need to call him as a professional courtesy and turn him onto your site! He probably has patients that need your help!)

He's a little more certain of its effect on the brain. I look at it this way. If he knows that these interactions have a long term effect on the brain could I compare that to the effects of alcohol on the liver?  If you knew your drinking was effecting your liver negatively in the long term - wouldn't you advise the patient to cut it out completely? 

Anyway, he mentions a woman who at 60 is wrestling with depression and the possibility of her mother dying and is uncertain in how to handle it.  My question to all of us on the board is if you knew your Nparent was dying, how would you respond?

All the best to everyone ....


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Re: Even the Professionals Dont See It ....Part 2
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2009, 07:20:34 PM »
Thanks, Ales2, for the link.  There are lots of comments about the article on the NYT blog.  The article was obviously very much appreciated.

Actually, Dr. Herman’s comment bothered me as much as Dr. Friedman’s:

‘I really admire your loyalty to your parents — even at the expense of failing to protect yourself in any way from harm,’

It’s fine not to give advice—but her comment (and his) puts an intellectual brick wall between herself and her patient.  If attachment is the most healing part of therapy (as I believe), therapists have to do better.   If you (as a therapist) feel passionately enough about an issue to give advice, give advice.  The important thing is not the advice—it’s the passion about the issue that connects therapist and patient, fosters “brain re-wiring”, and is ultimately healing.

Richard

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Re: Even the Professionals Dont See It ....Part 2
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2009, 08:23:23 PM »
Ales,
Ooops!!! Sorry for the last post which said the opposite of what I wanted it to. I posted on the run and had copied two sections. I posted the wrong one with wrong heading.. Just went back to read it.

I read some of the comments to the article and I think it is interesting how much one N can scramble relationships leading to numerous estrangements when you adopt no contact. They try to make it involve as many people as they can net and their jealousy of anyone who maintains contact they can't have is endless.  

When I was growing up, any adult I tried to establish a supportive emotional relationship with was quickly exiled. In my case a neighbor used to talk with me and my mother was so angry about our relationships that even decades later, she made a point of telling me she was very sick, only after she was dead. She didn't want me to even have the chance to say goodbye to my old friend. To her she was still an interloper who made her look bad.
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Re: Even the Professionals Dont See It ....Part 2
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2009, 10:29:20 PM »

I have to say this therapist situation is so frustration....I have yet to find a therapist who truly understands NPD and is able to both acknowledge the effects of it on others and treat those affected.....I want to take a deep dive into the topic with a therapist...so I can finallly get to a place of healing.....But I can't find a therapist willing or capable of doing that.  I had one therapist who "humored" me by cracking open the DSM IV and reading the characteristsi of NPD....but when I tried to dig deeper, he accused me of blaming my parents for my suffering and pain.  He wouldn't acknowledge the significance of my parent's behavior on my life.

I read the NYT article too...Just amazing....If only there were more knowledgeable therapists out there....they might help us get to a level of healing so that would allow us to minimize the damage....

Thank goodness for this board and the many good books on the subject that are on the market....

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Re: Even the Professionals Dont See It ....Part 2
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2009, 11:12:02 AM »
Bravo, Doc G...

That humanity and live empathy is why you're a wonderful therapist.

gratefully,

Hops
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Re: Even the Professionals Dont See It ....Part 2
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2009, 09:48:08 PM »
Thanks, Hops--

At this point in my career, I choose to shelter myself from the usual therapist “lines”—so it is disturbing to see what publicly passes for “good therapy”.  Apparently, I disagree, on a fundamental basis, with most therapists.  Maybe someday I’ll write about it on the Board or in the Essay section of my web site.

In the example described in the Times above, one (a therapist) could say (if one felt it):  " It is agonizingly difficult to cut oneself off from one’s parents no matter how awful/abusive they are to you."  What does saying this do?  Plenty.  

1)   It tells the truth—one can look at it in terms of survival value.
2)   It tells the patient you absolutely understand.
3)   It lets the patient know you understand them in a way their parents (and often, nobody) ever did.
4)   Because you understand, it reassures the patient that you could never treat them the way their parents did.  Trust/attachment grows and as a result:
5)   You gradually become more important to their emotional survival than their parents and they, therefore, can let them go.

Recently, a long-time patient got a very important and prestigious promotion.  I was thrilled and I told him so.  And he said:  “You know, I didn’t even stop and think how my (abusive) father would have reacted.

Such is therapy.

Richard

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Re: Even the Professionals Dont See It ....Part 2
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2009, 10:05:22 PM »
Hi Dr. G.
Please do write that essay when you have time. I have read all the ones you posted and found them very useful. I hope you do write  a book one day.
S

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Re: Even the Professionals Dont See It ....Part 2
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2009, 10:56:21 AM »
I'd be very interested in that article, too, Dr. Grossman.

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Re: Even the Professionals Dont See It ....Part 2
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2009, 10:16:43 PM »
Thanks, Sealynx and cantors.counters.  Someday, when I have the time...

Richard

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Re: Even the Professionals Dont See It ....Part 2
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2009, 12:01:00 AM »
Thanks Dr. G for all your work on this site and for responding to this article.  Your work is greatly appreciated!!