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Discounted Girl

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« on: November 24, 2004, 12:42:27 AM »
I have waited all day and night for Seeker to reply to my private message to her, but she has not. I guess she has gone and I have decided to make one final post.

I do not understand what Seeker meant by her words at the opening of the Happy Trails thread. I am totally confused and have a desire for clarification, but I guess it doesn't matter. It sounds to me like she thinks I might be responsible for the unkind remarks that have been directed towards her. I can't tell if she thinks it is me making those remarks or if she thinks I am in alliance with that person, or if she thinks I am several posters all in one. It seems as though a cruel joke has been played. Even though this has all taken place on an internet forum, it still has genuinely hurt some feelings, including mine.

I'm not part of a pack, not a drama queen, not a trouble-maker or an imposter of any sort. I don't know what "victory" she speaks of and I don't know what the reference to Iago means. I am one of the "sincere posters," and I am the same always, not for others, but that's how I am true to myself. I have not deceived or bullied anyone. I have been kind and courteous to everyone except the cyberpaths. I have asked outright what they were talking about and who they were and all I got in return was childish nonsense.

I know I have never purposely done anything to hurt anyone else, I would never deceive or take advantage -- NEVER. I was abused all my life by a mother who doesn't love me and who has sought to harm and destroy me. I know first-hand how bad that is and I will never blacken my soul with such actions. A cyber sin is still a sin and we are all accountable.

I have seen many regulars become involved in argumentative situations and I used to wonder why they would do that, how could they possibly get that upset. Then some of them would literally be outnumbered, heckled repeatedly and they would leave, hurt and angry. I used to think that was overreacting. Well, today I went back and read some of those old threads and I see what happened. The hosts of this website know who is doing all this trickery and yet it is allowed to continue. It can happen to any of us if we happen into their crosshairs by pushing their buttons.

I found this forum while searching for reasons why my mother has always treated me so horribly and it was like the sun coming out on a rainy day when I happened upon voiceless.com. As I read the posts each day questions were answered for me as other ACONS shared their stories and thoughtful insights for which I shall always be grateful. I have felt great comfort and warmth in the understanding of fellow ACONS, but all things have their season and for me it's now late winter. I too think it's time to move on and I too have always meant everything I have said. I'm not that trembling, frightened little girl anymore -- I'm way past that. I wish all of you the very best, good health, good fortune,  and happy lives.


P.S. I found this definition of a "cyberpath."

Exploitation is easier to accomplish on-line. The level of exploitation is all over the place. Clearly the most dangerous are the cyberpaths. These sociopaths, psychopaths -- unwholesome, psychologically scattered individuals -- can exploit you in truly damaging ways.

Despite common belief, a cyberpath is not always very easily identified, especially since you cannot see the person "in person." The more clever, the more intelligent the cyberpath is, the more you will not become aware of what you are dealing with, until it is too late.

A psychopath, in this instance, the cyberpath, is merely looking for a way to fill in his time with empty exploits. They are highly narcissistic, and the internet provides fodder for them. They move from victim to victim, seeking people to feed their endless need for narcissism. When you've found them out, or they tire of you, they move on to the next victim, or target for narcissistic supply.

Dominance and power are recurring themes in the social relations of psychopaths.

Dominance, power, and having followers are very important to the cyberpath's need for total adulation and control. Cyberpaths absolutely bask in adulation using conniving ways to get the attention that they need. Sometimes the way a cyberpath asserts his control is done subtly.

The psychopath often plays jokes and tricks on others to humiliate them or to assert dominance.

Sadly, many are mistaken about the typical cyberpath. A cyberpath is not always looking for money or sex, quite often, he or she is merely interested in taking you along for a ride. Most of them take pleasure merely in playing the rouse, and not much else. A psychopath has no interest in your inner emotional state because they themselves have no empathy. They merely enjoy "pulling one over" on people.

The cyberpath is mostly interested in playing tricks with his prey, almost in a playful way. To the cyberpath, such things are not really big deal, while for the victim, however, it becomes a rather big issue indeed.

Cyberpaths relish in another's humiliation, taking pleasure in what we find obscene, because they are not like other people, they have no true connection to anybody, and are incapable of feeling real love. Messing with another person's emotions and life is merely a way to pass the time, pulling one over on you is fun and enjoyable.

Again, most cyberpaths are common internet liars and predators. Do not be fooled by someone who tells you that there is such a thing as a "harmless liar." A liar is never harmless. A person who lies should never be trusted, and once you find out they've lied to you even once, it's time to break it off.

Their pleasure in the misfortune of others is unquenchable. People are used as a means to an end.

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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2004, 02:19:40 AM »
It looks like you are leaving too. I wish you and Seeker could have stayed.  :cry:    I remember your support and I will miss you.

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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2004, 04:28:33 AM »
Iago - a brilliant evil two-faced amoral villian.

Iago from Shakespeare's Othello.  

Iago makes Othello insanely jealous about Desdemona - Jealousy + Ambition + Hatred etc.

Iago feigns friendship and turns Othello into a jealous cruel ruthless evil cold untrusting man.


Great Book & Good Movie with Kenneth Branaugh and Laurence Fishburne.

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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2004, 04:38:50 AM »
Any one watch Desperate Housewives the other night? It was about winning- and the premise  was that the whole key to winning was being the one to want it the most. I don’t want Voicelessness at the price of constant vigilance. I don’t need to win Voicelessness because above all my pride has been trampled. I wanted to be here because there were people I cared for and I shared a common bond with. It was never a competition. But it became that for someone else who couldn't stand to be called out. Check mate. Well too bad, you revealed yourself big time.

To borrow  Seeker’s words, “I'll take this experience as a hint from the universe that it's time to move on.”

And Discounted Girl, “I have felt great comfort and warmth in the understanding of fellow ACONS, but all things have their season and for me it's now late winter.”

It is time for me to go as well. I will not come back here, as Phoenix or anyone else.

Here is my most valuable lesson here:

“Gaslighting”

I am borrowing another posters words from way back:

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… how to drive 'nice' people crazy with subtle manipulation. That's what it feels like being brought up by someone with NPD. And it's only by bringing the sub-text up to the surface and challenging the subtle nuances that you can stop the manipulation and stop being a victim.


I found this on the Web:

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Gaslighting ex-smokers:

One could plant cigarettes (particularly the kind they used to smoke) in
unexpected, private places.  They will be confused, perhaps delighted.
Memories of their happier, pre-quitting days will come back in a flood,
along with a little paranoia.  (Where the hell did this come from?)

Stick them casually in your mark's desk drawer.  The slash pockets of the
Overcoat.  In the glove box.  Leave a whole (opened) pack sitting on the
work bench in the garage.  Leave a few sitting just inside the tool shed.
Stick some in the old handbags and carryalls that are used only
occasionally.  

As an added touch, include a half-used book of matches with the cigs.  

This procedure is only part of an extensive, subtle gaslighting.  Don't
over-do it.  They will catch on that someone is picking on them.  They
have to convince themselves that they are losing their minds (or at least
their memories) (or their willpower)

Caveat - Check out your workplace for card access, video cameras,
witnesses.  Don't get caught snooping in anybody's yard.  Most of all,
don't ever break the law.  Thinking about revenge is sometimes enough fun.


Watch for this - it is a nasty, nasty game.

Take care, Seeker my friend, and DG my friend, and the many others who added to my days and nights when things were tough and falling apart around me.  Phoenix

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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2004, 12:21:47 PM »
Seeker:

As usual, I am pretty much lost to what has been going on behind the scenes (i.e. happy trails message :?) but I will also very much miss your very special and insightful replies that stood out.  

And now Phoenix once again..    I wish you would both just consider taking a break, as long as needed.  Maybe several months of not even reading the board, and return fresh.

I guess that is too simplistic.  

All I can say again, is that I will sincerely miss both of your presences here very much.  I got a lot out of what you both had to say...

BT  :(

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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2004, 12:50:34 PM »
I'm with BT. I am unclear what's going on here and I'm sorry about it. I wish that 'contentless taunting' posts would be deleted so threads can continue and people wouldn't feel unsafe and leave.

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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2004, 05:52:24 PM »
It was nice knowing you Phoenix with a capital P. It is also unclear to me what is going on here. I value your support and will miss you. I guess that is always the way it goes. The people you start to get to know and like always move away.

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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2004, 11:26:22 PM »
I agree with all of the above.  I think I am one of the ignorant ones who haven't been around long enough to be able to link people with personalities, etc.  I have felt such a sense of community here until just last week, was it?  Then I felt like I was witnessing a ping-pong game.  Back, forth, back, forth.  Touche!

And forgive me for the maniacal laughter!  I just couldn't respond in any other way then ba ha ha ha ha - you've got to be kidding!!!  I just read all those posts back and forth and wondered what I was missing.  It appears by the prior couple of posts that others, too, don't quite get it.

So when I searched the internet for anything that could help me understand my controlling, manipulative mother and it took a couple of pages on a google search to find this website and I say the word VOICELESSNESS.................it finally dawned on me.  That's what I have.  Is it a sickness?  It's voicelessness.  It's not being heard.  It's like being the tree in the forest that falls down and there is no one around - does it make a sound?  Are you ignoring me or do you just feel that anything I might not say is worth the listen?

So when people here are in the same boat as I and are allowed to say something and be heard and then someone comes along and corrects them or contradicts what we say, then isn't it like stepping right back into the world that we are trying to rise above?

I am glad Dr. Grossman locked those threads.  To watch people banter back and forth like that, it's just too much.

And girls, I agree.  Don't go.  Just take a break.  What I'd really like to do is have lunch.  Meet somewhere and talk.  But since that cannot happen.  Let's just brew a pot of coffee and chat......................later on.

Kelly

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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2004, 07:56:40 AM »
Am just chiming in with the last few posts. I, too, am new to the board. After discovering it a few weeks ago, it was like sunshine after a long, dreary rain. I was filled with hope in realizing that what I experienced in my relationship/recent break-up was a phenomenon that others have endured and recovered from...this  board became a beacon of hope. So I was disappointed when the tone of several threads became negative and destructive. I hope those who choose to leave for now will come back and contribute, once again, to the hope and recovery that this forum offers.
Best,

bludie