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Re: new job story
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2016, 01:08:40 PM »
Thanks, (((((Tupp)))).
I slept for about 12 hours and then slept some more, clutching dog.

I think my nervous system just didn't know how to manage this too well,
so I was having some wild mood swings.

It was like, just weeks ago it got the message, "I am SAFE!"
And then Thursday, "Wait, WHAT?"

I am exasperated that this person was so reckless with the truth,
but also realize that being delusional isn't exactly something she planned.
And I could spend ages being annoyed or whatever, or I could just reinterpret it:
I had no job, I found an interesting one and enjoyed it for 3 months PT and 2 weeks
FT, and that was better than having no income at all during those months.

My goal is still to forestall drawing down SS before I'm 70 and that's a little over
3 years from now. So maybe it would be more realistic for me to tell myself,
you're going to do a whole series of PT/one-off and/or freelance things, because
that's just the nature of employment at this age.

And stay open to things, keep looking, and not let fears take over. It also could
be interesting.

Thanks for the absolution and encouragement, Tupp, I always need both.
(Plus the last push on the mortgage, dammit. It's really very small but it
looms large to me.)

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Re: new job story
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2016, 03:02:37 PM »
Aw Hops I do feel for you, I've had so many times when things haven't worked out despite the fact I've worked my tinies off (and we're raised on that work mantra, aren't we, work hard and do your best and it will all be okay, and sometimes it just isn't despite the fact that you've put in 110 % effort).  It takes so much energy to pick yourself up and dust yourself off to start again and yes, I recognise that nervous system shut down when going to bed is the only option.  I'd forgotten you had your lovely pooch, though!  Pets are so amazing to have around.  I do really admire the way you look for the positives, refuse to let anger and resentment take up too much space (because it is soooo annoying when we suffer in some way because of someone else's situation) and I really do hope that enough part time/freelance/agency or whatever it is comes along to keep you ticking over.  Glad you have the pooch there to keep you company, I am typing this with the cat stretched out on the table with her head resting in the crook of my elbow (looks very uncomfortable for her as her head's bobbing up and down while I type but she seems to like it!).

Lots of love to you,

Tup xx

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« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2016, 03:39:41 PM »
Ahhhh, I don't understand how recent old boss made it in business this long if she's so incompetent.  IS she that incompetent or is this just a phase?  Did she have a better work ethic at one time?  WILL it come again, do'ya think?  If so, do you see any possible benefit to you in considering a partnership? 

Would you consider taking a percentage of the company in exchange for implementing your program to grow the business?  This is your wheelhouse. 

THIS is a chance for you and someone N boss cheated to build something that lifts you both up, and offers some measure of karmic justice? 

Or not? 

In any case it bothers me very much when you're able to carry out your plans.  This seemed so right...... in so many ways.

I don't know what business this is, frankly.  Maybe I'm way off base here, but it seems like investing in yourself, and your abilities could be an option?  Can you implement the plan without a loan?  WILL it pay off and justify investment in the company if possible?

What I do know is that you're an enduring, supportive presence on this forum, and your 3D friends are lucky to be a part of your life.   It's comforting to know you're able to ask for help, and willing to accept it.  You're worthy of care, Hops.  You're a good friend.

(((((Hops))))))

Hear, hear to living sans fear.  All will be well.  Even if it feels like things are going sideways..... it's going to be OK.

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Re: new job story
« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2016, 06:46:46 PM »
Hi Lighter,
I wouldn't consider any form of partnership as her irresponsibility runs deep. She is not well grounded in reality so, imo, would be unsafe to rely on even in small ways. (She does not keep her word--daily she would commit to being somewhere or reviewing something the next day and--this is not an exaggeration--14 times out of 15 it was completely meaningless.) She was able to run a retail shop for a long time, and with help from her mother to purchase the building...so now she has that rental income. She's okay but perhaps was enabled over her lifetime--and with the change she's going through her own executive function problems have increased, I believe.

At any rate, her mind's on her transition and she literally doesn't want to work (said so to me, very confusingly, after months of enthusiastic talk). I think finally recognizing that as owner/CEO she really would have to engage for us to pull it off turned her off, plus she wasn't in reality about the potential for financing. She had asked me if I would go to the bank and present my skills/experience to support her application and I'd said happy to, when? No followup, no answer. They may have shut her down completely but she wasn't fully transparent with me about all that. She found being present in the process a very unwelcome distraction. It was pulling teeth to get her to be involved an hour or two a few days a week. She's just not engaged and the expansion was a fantasy. I enjoyed her and it while it lasted, but the whole thing wasn't to be.

You're right that it WAS positive for us to share our old Nboss stories--he really damaged both of us. But I wouldn't want to stay focused on that history anyway.

There is no program though thanks for crediting me for what I got done (a lot). It requires money for materials, development of an ecommerce site, production costs, shipping...all of it. I do not have money with which to build or invest in a business, and have no interest in debt (I'm down to a small mortgage balance only and it's better for me given my ADD and math challenges to avoid anything financially complex) so new work will have to be dependent on my writing/editing experience. Not business and not startups. (Unless they straight-up need a writer/editor, then I'm game.)

Anyway, I don't know what I'll do next but am open to discovery. And just now, trying mostly to stay calm. There's just no point in panic so I'm trying to use acceptance and being as present as I can, to chase off the fear thinking. But it's difficult.

Today I needed to spend hours updating my expenses spreadsheet but suddenly found it overwhelmingly important to clean the kitchen and bake cookies. Thoughts of my Dad help. And the presence of my dog who really doesn't have any interest in retirement calculations.

Thanks for the support, Lighter.

Hops
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Re: new job story
« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2016, 10:04:05 PM »
Well..... it was a nice distraction while it lasted. 

So it'll be writing. 

Somehow....
writing.

It's one of your gifts.  You should use it.  You will use it.

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« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2016, 07:58:24 AM »
Hopsy - just now seeing all this. I'm so sorry you find yourself back to square one again.

You've likely already done the inventory of all your employment "assets" to offer someone. That's one thing you DON'T have to do. Have you tried visualizing what your ideal job would be? As long as you remember, that in reality nothing is going to be ideal - you may only find something that hits a majority percentage of all the aspects you want - it's perfectly OK to let your imagination explore this because you'll discover more of what is really important to you. That kind of thing changes for us over time.

That inventory includes things like stability, profitable (even if it's a struggle and "work"), honesty in communications, professionalism, informality, etc.

As far as your coping methods - well dear, I've decided there's an extremely thin line between compassion for ourselves and self-pity. And that sometimes the self-pity is damn well justified - as long as it doesn't become a habit. Sometimes life just SUCKS.  Sometimes we trust people, in hopes that they are as worthy as they appear... and whatever their personal situation is, they let us down anyway. But it's important to keep trusting. The old cliche: Trust, but verify is applicable here even though it feels cold & calculating. It what we have to do to protect and defend ourselves, while we're reaching out to new people and situations.

Just like all the debt Mike brought to the marriage that he was too ashamed to tell me. If I hadn't been over the moon about him, I would've asked pointed questions FIRST about the "business" side of the relationship. But I didn't; and I'm just lucky it turned out OK. (And he DID get a lot better over time, when he found out I wouldn't constantly give him grief over the past.)

I think you're going to be fine after this latest trust-wound heals Hops. Look how much you've learned about what you really want already! And the fact that you could bounce back and be hopeful for a day - even if it didn't last - doesn't mean you're confused necessarily or having mood swings. It means you're trying on a new way of coping with the inevitable crap that life sends our way from time to time. It doesn't last because there is still a lot scary reality that has to fall into place -- and I hear you loud and clear caring about your "plan" -- and finding the requirements to make the plan reality.

That matters more than anything else right now. So, grasshopper... you have come a long, long way and this new turn of events isn't nearly the mountain that it would've been years ago. Detours often let us discover the most interesting things!  ;)

 
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« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2016, 02:28:44 PM »
Thank you, Amber.
This was such a perceptive and supportive message...I really appreciate it.

Put in an app for an editing job that's perfect for me at the local U...then again, I haven't even gotten a nibble for TEMP jobs there. I have to go "here I am, yes I'm 66, interview me anyway!" in my head.

When I am entirely straightforward about the exhaustive application process there, I have to fill out every single date (including graduation dates) throughout my career. There is simply no pretending I'm not the age I am. And though I can't prove it, it's truly illogical that I haven't gotten a single interview at the U in the last year.

I don't know what to conclude except for the dreaded "overqualified" excuse. But it's maddening.

Going to apply for another editorial job...at a finance institution, ironically. Loathe the idea but it might work the same way as medical/health editing did...not the deeply technical stuff, but I got quite good at writing clearly about the subject because I had to research until it melted into mainstream accessibility. Then I got quite good at translating medical info for mainstream readers.

We'll see. I'm being plucky about it. And I've signed up for a local novel writing workshop because that will keep me believing there's a reason to live. (Dramatic but true.)

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Hops
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« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2016, 11:45:58 PM »
Hopsie I really do admire your stoicism.  This would have floored so many people and had them throw that retirement plan out of the window but you've dusted yourself off and got on with it.  I think we often find we are much stronger than we realise, uncomfortable though it is along the way.

The 'ageism' thing is something that is so very wrong in both our societies, I think.  I can't imagine how much experience, knowledge, compassion and learning you can bring to any job you undertake, yet I can understand completely what you mean about not getting interviews (only because I hear the same thing over here and I know from experience that young and recently trained/qualified means cheaper and sadly that's what a lot of people value).  I am keeping everything crossed that someone with a bit more sense will cross your path and snap you up immediately. 

I am equally crossing things in the hope that the novel writing workshop is going to be fabulous!  Bravo for doing something that you've longed to do; that alone will be amazing, I think.  But I'm also hoping it may bring you into contact with useful/helpful people and may even bring forth a novel in three months flat and one of those 'out of the water' publishing deals that you read about sometimes.  Wouldn't that be amazing?

Keep on keeping on, my friend.  You are truly incredible.

Love Tup x

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« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2016, 12:55:27 AM »
Is the writing class feeling......

a tad exciting? 

Maybe a little like charting an unexpected course in unfamiliar waters without expectation?  Scary, but a bit exhilarating too?
::nodding::

I hope so.


My prayer will be that you find your path, and safe space. 

Your resilience and resourcefulness will rise with you. 

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« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2016, 01:28:22 AM »
Thank you Tupp and Lighter.
You two just made this cold lonesome winter night feel less so!

I'm in the same situation I was before, but with less time to waste, I feel. So I'm focusing on jobs sooner than I did last time when I was so wrung out from the end of that long bad job. This one hasn't created the emotional damage and there's no toxic hangover. She wasn't a cruel person. Self absorbed and flighty, but not an N. She's written me several nice emails since my last day, wanting to assure me of her regrets and of how valuable I was to the business. (I think wanting also to assure herself, because I was a little blunt with her that day. She knew I wasn't mean either though, and she gave me an extra week's pay. Fair enough after just a few months.)

The novel workshop is to re-start the book and connect me to the one thing that is my purpose that I can still connect to. Or in honesty, I'm re-connecting to it after many years of setting it aside for elder care, family collapse, the toxic job and all the rest. I never stopped dreaming about doing it, and the recent death of a friend my age was a wake-up call.

I also decided to listen to my T who's been urging me to Just Do It. Make time for it instead of wasting my time on escape. I've heard it over and over but this time, I was ready to listen. I take in my registration fee tomorrow and the writer/instructor has approved my manuscript I had to provide. I'm truly looking forward to it. Regardless of what happens financially, I am still that person who wrote with a sense of deep aliveness and joy for so long...until family and Nboss made me feel I had no more strength to fight for myself.

I may not have enough strength now, but I will do it anyway. It's one of those things. Whether or not I write this book is really answering the question of whether or not my life has any purpose. Being a mother was my main purpose for a long time, and that's been removed. Then I was walking dead for several years, grief left nothing to put into the book. I'm changed but I've also healed a great deal, so now is the time to start again.

To my surprise the decision has calmed me. Yes, I still have to cope, and worry, and find work. But even if it's an hour or two a day, I also can write.

My T supported me in deciding to spend that money on the workshop. I also am hiring two sessions with a lovely office organizer lady. She's going to spend time in the Scary Room with me...and by the time we're done, it's going to be the lovely Writing Room it was always intended to be.

What I used to say to my T, over and over during the recent years of grief over my D, was that I had lost interest in my own life. Suddenly...not in an exciting way exactly, but in a sense of renewed purpose, I am interested again. It's slow and not dramatic, but it feels real.

Thank you guys, so much, for caring and commenting.

We've got that polar vortex cold going on, so the night feels very cold and your voices are really precious to me when I'm alone. And I'm doing okay. I've tried to make a resolution to see one friend every day, even just for coffee, if I can. Helps me get through winter. And who knows? Maybe I'll find more friends in the writing group.

It's going to challenge me in a way I am eager to be challenged. Working on my own words, my own text, my own story. Making it as good as I can. And I'll be good with that. A friend wrote me something about "recognition" and I told her that was way way way down my priority list. It's the doing of it and at some point, the completing, that brings fulfillment. The rest can come later.

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« Reply #40 on: December 16, 2016, 07:10:47 AM »
'morning Hops - next shift just showed up! LOL.

I'm not able to stay awake for very long after dark here, unless I'm having another session of "letting the grief be" which is part of the bargain to be able to re-start my own life. Fortunately it doesn't consume a lot of time, this far down the road. But of course, the "big city" I'm close to is where Mike & I spent so many years together. That has an impact, whether I'm rationally admitting that on any given day or not.

The higher ed application got me thinking. Yes, it's been some years now that I've been out of it... but maybe I can kind of explain what's going on. It would seem logical for schools to lean heavily on the experienced professionals; the ones who've seen just about everything - after all, isn't "transfer of knowledge" and "professionalism" what colleges are all about? And in truth, the campus does offer a lot of opportunities regardless of an individual's particulars - but there is a strong network of "who you know" that exists too. Even if it's just a fellow classmate in a zumba class.

The other thing that happens frequently, is they like to toot their own horn, by making a position or giving a position to a student/former student but they are required to advertise the position, by the EEOC. They'll lose their federal dollars otherwise. And the regional accrediting agencies support this process a bit too. But what people miss by keeping the gates so firmly closed to the "outside world", inside those "ivory towers"... is fresh talent, new perspective, creativity and energy. And EXPERIENCE.

Experience and actual hands-on knowledge is anathema to some ways of thinking on campus. They often mistake clueless enthusiasm and masterful BS for creativity and potential. This is a problem that crops up when a campus is a "world unto itself" and has lost touch with "what works" outside of it.

So, my advice if you're really looking to get into that world - which does provide a LOT of security, btw - is dig through the lists of faculty and employees. Spend time in the campus library (maybe researching for your book?). Who do you already know and how? Who can you meet through your "travels" socially right now? Having at least one reference who already works there, is an "edge" to your application. Is there anyone who's run across your work in the past? Where are the "connections" that you can "leverage" to at least get an interview?

Perhaps there's even a position in the library that's part-time to get your foot in the door and start learning the "lay of the land" about who are the "movers & shakers" in that community. It's a really fun work environment and offers a whole lot of support in the form of "community" too that you would fit right into. It has it's downsides and I'll warn you now: some of the hugest egos I've ever seen were in higher ed. Less so, than in a scientific community - but higher ed attracts more than it's share of kooks and weirdos and PDs.
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« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2016, 05:23:05 PM »
Hi Amber,
Check, check, check!
I know the U. climate very well, and have networked as best I can.
Once you're gone for a decade+ though, it is tricky to get back in.

I'm familiar with the posting-but-not-meaning-it game, the who-you-know
game, and all the rest. But I am convinced now, also, that ageism is quite
active there too. I have reached out to those I can...have signed up for
every automatic alert for jobs there that I can. But I'm not optimistic.

I spent 11 years in several different university staff positions and that
bureaucracy and those politics are unpleasantly familiar. The overall
intellectual climate was positive, but what I learned as a child about a
professor's life (my Dad founded a department and was a professor,
chairman, and dean)...just doesn't apply to most staff positions, ime.

I can't focus on getting THERE as my goal, since realistically, I will
probably have to take any sort of job I can get. Since the U is relatively
impenetrable, I may have better luck in the private sector. I've earned
more and advanced more out of the academic system than within it.

One thing I'm going to consider to counter some of the ageism concerns
is to personally visit several interesting businesses and introduce myself.
Despite my white hair my face and energy appear fairly young, so that
may offset it somewhat if I can meet someone in person. The old
"interviewing for information" approach--making a contact without
asking for employment--might work again. (That was how I got the
surprise FT offer at a publisher, which kickstarted that side of my career.)

Often, too, startups are open minded. We'll see, but my strategy now
is to have no strategy other than openness and imaginative ideas. I'm
even considering being a limo driver, as my friend who died did that
and enjoyed it a lot. (Commutes from here to a major airport, and
the traveling folks tended to tip her very nicely.)

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« Reply #42 on: December 17, 2016, 05:14:27 PM »
Significant anxiety today. I know why:
--on Saturdays the isolation of being alone hits hardest. A holiday period Saturday especially. I have decided not to return to church until after Xmas because the "happy holiday families" scene there triggers grief--too many memories of sitting there with my D cuddling close. So that means I don't have tomorrow to look forward to to break the cycle. I will ask myself again in the morning whether I should go anyway. Maybe better to accept the sadness than cope with panic.
--it affects me with chest pain, shortness of breath, which feed off each other. Nothing major (and it's a very familiar pattern)--but I find it hard to control the anxious thoughts when my body is doing that.
--I've called a friend, which helped during. Most friends are preoccupied with family.
--I'm hunkered down watching shows, which is escapist but I feel paralysed and unable to tackle productive household things.
--It's bitter cold here so I'm not motivated to go out.
--Fears about unemployment rise and calm. Today...rise.

That's it...just wanted to offer it out there.
Thanks for being here to write to.

love,
Hops
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« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2016, 01:27:36 AM »
Hops I can only say I hear everything you're saying and experience similar myself, particularly the escapism via TV or the internet.  And yes, this time of year when 'families' seem to be all around and it's all so in your face is just so, so difficult, particularly if there isn't something else going on to distract you in a positive way.  There are times I avoid connecting with people because I don't feel strong enough to cope with the difficult feelings that may arise and given this shock over your job on top of everything else at the mo I think a bit of time snuggled on the sofa with your pooch and a bit of escapism on the telly is just what the doctor ordered.  I do know in myself I seem to have a thing where I feel I ought to be able to cope magnificently with anything life throws at me and it is unrealistic.  We all need a bit of downtime and a bit of recovery time (and with panic attacks I think your body purposely slows everything down to give your system time to recover).  What I find difficult about it is that the loneliness is hard to hide from when you're resting - if I slow down physically my emotions have a chance to catch up with me, and then that's why I think the telly helps, it just takes the edge of things a bit.

I'm with you in spirit, Hopsie, sitting on the sofa with you watching old films, making you hot chocolate, keeping your blankets fluffed up and keeping you company until this spell passes.

((((((((((((((((((Hops)))))))))))))))))))))))

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« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2016, 03:01:26 PM »
Hi (((Hops)))

I wish there was some way to escape the rise and fall of panic in difficult times, but alas.... I haven't found it.

We bob around like corks on rough seas, and try to remember it will pass.  We'll be engaged again in meaningful productive satisfying moments again.... we just need to ride out temporary storm, and harbor will find us again.   

Safe harbor is only safe bc of the storms... the yin and yang of being alive. 

In the meantime sink into your safe space.  Being paralyzed can include feeling gratitude for a clean blanket with a lovely cup of coffee, tea or coco can't it?  Gratitude for clean and clear space created with the organizer.   Down time is best when we have it sans guilt, IME.  Remember...... guilt sucks.

BTW hiring that organization gal is a super idea, IMO.  You'll have so much time and energy with that kind of help zooming you through what might otherwise never get ironed out completely.  It's resistance we can accept, and work around IME... we don't have to overcome what we just don't have the tools to overcome, IME.  Identifying our need for help makes it possible to ask for and receive it.

I'm picturing you dancing on a sunny clear floor in the scary room. You'll likely have a burst of fresh energy, creativity, and resolve once some progress is made..... even if it's not, this too shall pass.

I have a roomful of scary files to deal with very soon, btw. 

::shudder::

It'll be OK.

For both of us, ((Hops))). 

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