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lighter

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Re: Trough Times
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2017, 01:26:01 PM »
I enjoy reading this thread, though I don't feel I have much to add just now.
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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2017, 04:22:06 PM »
I'm glad you're here, Lighter, even if you're doing yoga while the talk flies. :)

Amber, I LOVE that distinction between the What and Who.
Would you mind sharing that author's name?

What I am is the D of an Nmother (and gentle father, ttl), S of a sociopathNbro, and...a serious poet, which is by definition an outsider, outlier, and misfit. (Embraced, not apologized for; it's just where most poets are in culture). It was startling to learn, first in grad school, that there's emotional bravery to the best poetry. It kind of meant that while my knees were knocking over all sorts of things other people do routinely without my wimpiness....I also had an inner commitment to feel the consequences of my unusual shape, at the cost of profound, involuntary change. Later, I found in my poetry a refusal to paper over pain and a drive to drill toward empathy, and later still, a determination to connect the dots and splotches no matter how it dirtied the novelistic, religious self-image I'd cobbled together much by accident before I understood I was a poet, by definition an emotional revolutionary.

Huh. That was kinda pompous or polemical. (At least I said revolutionary rather than anarchist!)  :D

I just watched a visually gorgeous film about a representational artist and his protege. I bet you'd like it, Amber. Local Color is the title...

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« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2017, 05:54:33 PM »
He's Francis Porretto - you might not agree with some of his point of view (I don't), but he's very interesting to ponder on the topics he tries to address.
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« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2017, 12:16:03 AM »
Thanks! I will Google him and appreciate the ref.

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« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2017, 12:20:16 AM »
Oh, yikes.

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« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2017, 06:47:59 AM »
Yeah, he's tough.  :(

BUT, I like the way he tries to think around all sides of something. His novels are kinda sci-fi, in that he fantasizes a good bit. I didn't think I would like his Spooner series about the last space ship of humans that establish another world that they call "Hope". Their society is anarchist - in the technical sense of the term - in that there are no "states"; no government. And then he confronts how human nature kind of always trends that direction and what else it is, in human nature, that insists that a state isn't necessary (but that requires some certain morality or values code that can be tough to live with/live up to).

The 3 book Spoonerite series really does start to explore the difference between WHAT and WHO people are. And at the end of it, I decided I was wrong about his viewpoints - he surprised me with some ideas that are anti-stereotypical of people who are committed to specific value systems. It can be read at face-value for just the story - or you can take some of his explorations about "how things are" and ponder the inherent social questions in them. Your choice. I liked how it stretched me, intellectually and trying to understand some of the character's choices.
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« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2017, 02:43:23 PM »
Ja. I didn't delve deeper, couldn't handle the front-page homophobia.
But it's good to read some folks who are in places one can't relate to.

Glad you've enjoyed it -- you DO have an inquiring mind!

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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2017, 06:27:11 AM »
Yeah, I had the same reaction Hops. But he's actually NOT homophobic - and he moves into bigger, deeper thoughts. It's a real challenge to keep reading someone when they hit you over the head with something unpleasant, taking the words at face value... but are only using that to get you to pay attention, set aside your "normal operating conditions", and just let the whole thing sink in. Sorta like the violence in Cormac McCarthy and how he uses it to say something ELSE.

I find it useful to "stretch" this way, but I can certainly understand times when someone's just not up to it or interested in it.
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« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2017, 05:06:46 PM »
Ja...I already got stretch marks from what's going on under my nose.

You guessed right, I'm not up to it. But I understand hanging on with a difficult or repellent narrative to get to a surprising place. Glad you are stimulated by it and enjoy it.

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