Author Topic: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"  (Read 7580 times)

Meh

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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #30 on: January 28, 2021, 05:25:54 AM »
Thanks Skep and Hops

Thanks guys. I dropped the class---  but it's weak for me to turn my back on it. The whole world turns the other cheek or gets too busy and before you know it more political uprisings. We should really be wondering who is starting all the riots, maybe it's not always the "group" it's attributed to.

Something very weird is happening in our country. People who can't persuade other's through choice and reason... well they must do it this other way.

I think the process they were doing would ultimately cause some people do deny injustices done to oneself. Make people defenseless. All of it is based on a denial of the self.



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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #31 on: January 28, 2021, 08:56:07 AM »
- Menticide -

Should have been the title of this class. 



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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #32 on: January 28, 2021, 03:58:02 PM »
B-O-L-O-G-N-A

:)

Hops


OOPSIE... LOLOLOLOL.
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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2021, 05:07:04 PM »
The BIG LIE is unfolding again

I am not putting this here to promote Hitler. I am putting it here to make a statement about HOW LIES WORK.

"But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists, to impute responsibility for the downfall precisely to the man who alone had shown a superhuman will and energy in his effort to prevent the catastrophe which he had foreseen and to save the nation from that hour of complete overthrow and shame. By placing responsibility for the loss of the world war on the shoulders of Ludendorff they took away the weapon of moral right from the only adversary dangerous enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the betrayers of the Fatherland to Justice.

All this was inspired by the principle—which is quite true within itself—that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods.

It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds,they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation.[/b] For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.

— Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2021, 11:35:15 PM »
You have much support from me, dear Posh, as you sort out this crisis you've been weathering.

But just want to say that for me for right now, I'll bow off the thread as I don't think I have much to add that'd be useful, and I'm realizing I need to take care of my inner calm more intentionally at the mo'. The topic's a little triggering for me too, in different ways.

I'm sure you understand, just want you to know that doesn't mean I don't care.

I'll pop back over to a Posh thread soon and be glad to read how you're doing! Many fingers crossed and good thoughts heading your way.

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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2021, 12:44:37 AM »
It's fine Hops.

I don't think this forum is the best place for political talk because of how much it riles people up.

Thing is I felt so freaked out by what I was witnessing and it's caused me to question what can take hold in education systems.

Okay, I see what you mean. What I am writing is totally freaky.

It all sounds alarmist. I'm sorry if I freaked you out.

I'm not here to promote anything really I'm just trying to get to the bottom of what is going on and why.




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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2021, 01:50:45 AM »
I know you are, Posh.
Not mad at you at all.

Just being a little mouse at the mo'.

I'm glad you're working through whatever you need to.

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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2021, 11:00:41 AM »
Well - many forms of abuse replicate the same techniques of the "big lie". Somewhere in the ancient threads of Twiggy's story, I know I brought it up. (My nickname way back when.)

And yes, I completely understand how it bothers you; it bothers me too; and it bothers Hops differently - but still bothers.

As to finding this condoned in an educational setting, I think the best advice is to remove yourself from the source of the triggering, ie, the class and that prof. Which you've already done. And get some calm back into your life before you start thinking about this again. Just to take care of yourSELF first. The issue isn't going anywhere.

That's the main thing Mouse. Just take care of yourself - and if that means completely ignoring the issue; do so until you're feeling better within yourself... before you think about studying this again; IF you ever do. You can be a lovely, well-educated person without going in depth into the dark side of humanity.

Why do you think I'm watching so many period soap operas on tv? LOLOLOLOL. It's a comforting little world, where people mostly know what the rules are and mostly follow them... and the non-comformists are tolerated as "eccentric". We do what we have to, to take care of ourselves.
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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #38 on: January 30, 2021, 06:31:54 PM »
Yeah there is nothing new happening.

A psychopath gets into an institution assumes a type of "moral pollution is inherent in a race" which needs to be sought out and destroyed. It's tantamount to destroying a person of course, the "sin" is assumed.

It's one thing to study Marxism, radical politics, abuse, political science, covert operations... it's quite another thing to be a victim of it.

Thanks Skep but I have no intention of being a lovely or polite person. My tongue feels weaponized with the knowledge of history and the insight of prior experience of "voicelessness."

Do not mind me. I will just yammer on about this out of a personal necessity to have "a voice" somewhere. I have left that male-run class and moved to a female-run class with the same moral cleansing program but new class is presented in a less domineering way. This is some departmental prerogative, I'm getting the sense that the whole program is highly influenced by two guys in the department. Whatever. 

 


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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2021, 09:44:58 PM »
The school is mandating that students do these classes and after much reflection I know that the classes are modeled after Psychodynamic psychotherapy. The instructors aren't psychologists though, and it's so very messed up.

"reveal the unconscious content of a client's psyche"

WOW.  These aren't normal classes like I have saying repetitively over and over. This is almost like conversion therapy for gays.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychodynamic_psychotherapy

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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2021, 02:18:43 AM »
Spencer Schaffner - associate professor of English at University of Illinois

Book: Writing As Punishment In schools, Courts & Everyday Life

"Another set of less thoroughly examined beliefs about writing are encrypted in and reproduced through the use of writing as punishment, and these are the beliefs that writing is a viable tool for disciplining, controlling, brainwashing, shaming, demeaning, subjugating, and humiliating others." p 11-12

"Encrypted in the particularities of these schoolhouse traditions are core beliefs about writing as a potentially dark, magical rhetorical art capable of punishing, controlling, and transforming writers." p 13


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO

"DARVO is an acronym for "deny, attack, and reverse victim and offender". It is a common manipulation strategy of psychological abusers"

It's that gaslighting shit. Excuse my language. Got to call it when I see it. Big stinky fuming cow piles of it.

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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2021, 02:56:46 AM »
I'm reading:

JOURNAL ARTICLE
THE SEMANTICS OF THOUGHT REFORM
William F. O'Neill and George D. Demos

This article explains EVERYTHING I have been witnessing. I feel so grateful that this article was written it's from 1977! So nothing new under the sun here.

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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2021, 06:27:02 PM »
Well, then - happy reading! Maybe you'll be able to effect some change, in how "fashionable" these theories are.Best of luck. I've done enough of that in my time. The stuff makes me feel like I need a long shower and brain bleach.

As for language - blush - I'm afraid my normal speech resembles a longshoreman's or a lifelong sailor. LOLOL.
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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #44 on: February 02, 2021, 09:03:54 PM »
a local parent spoke out about "education reform" plans in our county. I'm trying to get in touch with him. I guess I will see if he contacts me. I'm just tired.
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