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miaxo

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« on: January 22, 2005, 10:29:50 PM »
How prevelant is it for N's to sexually abuse thier own children?
I read somewhere that many see their children as extensions of themselves and they feel it's the closest thing to having sex with themselves.  

It really disturbed me to read this and I was hoping that some of you folks could put my mind at ease.  

My xN husband really didn't seem to have much of a sex drive for our entire 7 year marriage.  Looking back now I would classify him as asexual.  Basically, he didn't appear to have any desire or need to be physically intimate.  

So what do you all think?

Snowed in on the East Coast,
Mia

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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2005, 11:00:31 PM »
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and I was hoping that some of you folks could put my mind at ease.



hello Mia:

Are you saying that you are concerned that this may have been the case with your own children and him? i have some comments about that but i will await your reply first.

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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2005, 11:23:19 PM »
Sexual abuse of children isn't a universal behavior of narcissists. N's can perceive their children as extensions of themselves without sex being involved. If your husband appears asexual I imagine he isn't interested in sex with children. But I'm just speculating. I don't know him and I don't know whether your children are showing signs of being molested. If you are wondering about it, please take your children to a child psychologist.

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miaxo

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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2005, 09:14:29 AM »
No, my children aren't showing any signs of being molested.  

I was expressing concern after reading about N's b/c my xN went ballistic over a minor incident regarding my daughter where another little girl (same age) touched her in her private area (outside her clothes).  My daughter did the right thing and came and told me and the situation was handled....I phoned our primary doc as well as the therapist my daughter went to during the divorce.  Both instructed me to simply monitor my daughter's behavior and as long as she wasn't showing signs of regression that she would get past the episode. Also, she was no longer being exposed to this other child.  Well, x N would not give up on this and ended up dragging on and on about this until a judge and then later a  court appointed therapist told him to let it lie b/c daughter was fine. His reaction went on for over six months.  I began to think that maybe he was molested as a child due to the manner and duration of his reaction.  Don't get me wrong, I know any parent would be upset about hearing this news.  Another part of me now thinks that as a N he was "reacting" the way he thought he should react but like N's have a tendency to do he took it too far b/c he really can't relate.  Oh, I don't know.

Anyway, it was b/c of his reaction and becasue of what I read about N's being sexual abusers that I began to think about this topic.  

In my gut, I don't think he would do this his children.  

I was wondering how prevalent it was.

Thanks for reading through my rambling thoughts.

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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2005, 10:59:26 AM »
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I read somewhere that many see their children as extensions of themselves and they feel it's the closest thing to having sex with themselves.


There are other sexual deviations out there that get someone even closer to "having sex with themselves." My ex-N, as I learned after he left me, is a transvestite who prefers masturbation with pornography to partner sex. He transforms into a "woman" and is romantically "in love" with and desires the woman he becomes. He is considering getting breast implants and laser hair removal so that he can be more of his ideal woman, but he wants to keep his male genitalia because he gets a sexual kick out of being both male and female. Sam Vaknin says:

"Autogynephilic transsexuals are subject to an intense urge to become the opposite sex and, thus, to be rendered the sexual object of their own desire. In other words, they are so sexually attracted to themselves that they wish to become both lovers in the romantic equation - the male and the female. It is the fulfilment of the ultimate narcissistic fantasy with the False Self as a fetish ("narcissistic fetish")."

I know this doesn't address your concern about your children, but, it's just more information for you about N's and sex.

Chandra

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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2005, 11:19:19 AM »
If your husband tends toward paranoia and feeling persecuted, it makes sense to me that he dragged this out as long as he could using the legal system.  I'm glad your daughter is okay.

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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2005, 01:18:55 PM »
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No, my children aren't showing any signs of being molested.  
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Anyway, it was b/c of his reaction and becasue of what I read about N's being sexual abusers that I began to think about this topic.  

In my gut, I don't think he would do this his children.  

I was wondering how prevalent it was.




This rings some bells with me.  A good friend of mine is divorcing her N husband.  In the process he is making a lot of noise about her family, and making accusations that her brother is a child molester - although he uses the word 'paedophile', and stating that the children are at risk from their uncle.  In fact the children rarely see the uncle and are never left alone with him.  It was their mother who was molested by him, as a child, when he too was still a child.  Not right, but to me, not quite a paedophile.

In this case, what is happening is a deflection tactic, to pass the spotlight to someone else for the bad bits of the story, and away from himself.  The N doesn't really worry about the children, only about himself, but if he can make a lot of smoke and noise about a topic that he knows will push people's buttons, then he will.

In this case, the husband is already in trouble with child protection himself about failing to protect his children when they are with him.  Both have suffered 'accidents' in recent months, and in neither case did he take them to hospital, although both invoved fractures.  He simply waited until it was time to take them back to their mother, and then sneered at her for being over concerned.  Then when child protection got involved he accused them and her of professional collusion - she works within the health sector.  This is a very nasty man indeed.

So, my advice would be, check anything that you intuitively feel needs to be checked, and ignore smokescreen behaviour.  Good luck.

C

miaxo

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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2005, 07:38:24 PM »
bunny

He is very paranoid and often writes me emails stating that I am "conspiring against him".  He also accuses my family of conspiring against him.  He constantly threatens to take everything to court.

Thanks for your input and well wishes.

Mia

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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2005, 04:49:28 PM »
I could relate to your sexless marriage, but  mine lasted 23 years and counting (we have been separated for 16 months and the divorce is pending).  I found out after he broke the news that he wanted to leave the marriage, that rather than having sex with me, he was having it with himself with the help of pornography for the last 15+ years (at least that's what he admits to).  I don't think I need to worry about him with our 16-year-old daughter as that would involve too much intimacy.  He has a married girlfriend that is the perfect situation for him as it involves no intimacy.  He lied to me all those years saying that he had no interest in sex.  Years ago he was getting testosterone shots to increase his sex drive (he would never agree to any counselling).  At the time, he said they did not work.  When we separated, he admitted that they had indeed worked and he had just gotten more heavily into the porn and masturbation.  

It is all very hard to recover from and start to heal, but I'm getting there.  Good luck with your situation.  I desperately hope your daughter has not been abused by this man sexually on top of the mental abuse our children will endure having an N as a parent.