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Post-Christmas Blues and Expectations
« on: December 27, 2007, 09:29:35 PM »
Hi All:

Hope you all had a nice holiday or at least survived it relatively unscathed.  I haven't been on in awhile and thought I'd touch base and see how you all made it through an N Christmas.

I had been invited to spend Christmas Day with my "healthy" brother's in-laws.  It is always nice of them to include me but I did not want to go.  I am feeling really depressed these days and many negative things happened this year which caused me to just want to be by myself.  I told my brother this but he and his wife gave me a hard time about it.  They made it about them.

I'm ashamed to say I just succumbed and gave in.  I know I should have stood my ground but the fight just wasn't worth it.  So I went.  Everyone was fairly civil.  I put on the "happy face" and fought my way through the day, making small talk with some of their relatives, pretending I wasn't feeling really depressed and sad and alone.  Comments my brother and my young niece said to me triggered me.  It just proved to me that they were clueless.  Because I was civil and put on my happy face, my brother assumed everything was fine.  Of course it wasn't.  It was a very difficult day.  I felt invisible and alone and sad.  I had had such a horrible year and was surrounded by all these happy and content families and couples.

My brother made a comment to me that he thought my expectations were too high, not just about Christmas, but about everything.  I did I thought I held very reasonable expectations about life and people, but that I was always disappointed.  I pointed out that others held the same expectations and got what they wanted.  I find this to be common amongst people who get to stride through life relatively unscathed.  When they come across someone like me who is faced with nothing but disappointments, it is always because their expectations are too high or something similar.

I took a lot of time choosing and finding gifts that would please and delight my family members.  I do that not because I look for anything in return but because I like to do it, especially for my niece.  I've been told I've always been good at it.  TO me, being good at gift giving is just about listening and trying to understand the other person.  Right or wrong, I tend to think of the gifts one receives says something about how much the giver understands or knows you.  My Nmom is, of course, selfish and buys things for others that SHE likes or wants, or which at least are in HER taste.  It is frustrating and disappointing.

It struck me that pretty much everyone in my family had a great holiday but me.  My Nmom was delighted with all of her gifts and claims she won't return a single one.  She got to spend all of Christmas Day with her "chosen child".  At her and my co-D dad's insistence, I wrapped all of her gifts for her because she just "didn't like" to do it.  All at the very last minute of course.  My healthy brother was happy because despite my desire to have Christmas Eve at my house, he insisted on hosting it at his house once again, thus controlling that evening.  His guilt trip forced me to succumb and spend Christmas Day at his in-laws.  He had a lovely holiday with his wife and daughter.  He made his comments to me under the guise of good intentions.  I've been unemployed for some time and am having a lot of difficulty.  I've had no luck and have had lots of rejections.  Yet, on Christmas Day, he turns to me and says, "Aren't you just fascinated at where you'll find youself this time next year?"  Like I said, clueless.

Ugh, ugh, ugh.  It was just such an emotionally difficult holiday.  Faced with all the family dysfunction.  But what really hit me in the gut was that I was the only one bothered by it.  Everyone else got exactly the holiday they wanted.  My parents got to spend the holiday mostly with their chosen child.  My brother got what he wanted.  My niece and sis-in-law got what they wanted.  I just felt like I gave and gave and got nothing in return---no consideration or respect or compromise.

The night before Christmas Eve I went to a church event with someone I knew.  There were about 15 other people in the group but I knew only the one person.  As hard as I tried, I still ended up feeling alone and invisible, even within this big group.  The performance was really good but inevitably I just felt spent by the end of the night emotionally.

Maybe I am just more affected by the narcissim and dysfunction in my family than others.  But it seems the holidays just bring it out even more.  I just end up feeling really empty and alone and sad and invisible.  At the holidays, I am reminded that I am not a priority for anyone.  So it is hard.  For someone who is clinically depressed as I am, these post holiday blues can be a killer.

Anyway, just venting.  Just wondering if any of this sounds familiar to anyone else.  Just wanted to thank you for listening to me in the past, especially around my birthday.  It helped a lot.

Bright blessings to you all.

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Re: Post-Christmas Blues and Expectations
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2007, 11:55:18 PM »
I'm so sorry, Sun.
You sound so isolated.

The only comfort I can think of is such a cliche, but I believe it's true:

The best cure for what is ailing you, especially in group situations, is to try your best to forget about yourself for a while.
Look for a child, or an old person, or someone who seems a little alone, and try to send THEM comfort and friendliness.
Focus on someone else, just let your self-consiciousness lift away (it'll float somewhere nearby, you won't lose yourself) for a short time. Even tell yourself, I'm going to stop thinking about myself for a few hours. I'm just going to tune in to being friendly. It doesn't have to be a big production, or anything false. Just quiet friendliness, noticing and responding to others, finding someone who's more shy and giving a friendly smile and asking them a question about themselves, then listening to the answer, asking another, no scorekeeping about whether it's reciprocal not just now...

I think if you try this. And try it again. You'll find you're developing some alternate emotional habits that help you feel connected to others, just by being present to them.

(I'm not saying ignore your own feelings and needs. I'm saying just suspend them for short periods while you interact this way with other people. Keep it up once a week at least, see what happens...)

Just a few thoughts. Please toss them or use them as they may suit.

with love and a big hug for the loneliness,
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Re: Post-Christmas Blues and Expectations
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2007, 01:25:22 AM »
sun,

I can certainly commiserate with you and was having alot of the same feelings myself. I don't think there is anything more lonely than being in a room of people that are all happy and oblivious to what you are feeling. I would never want to take away from their happiness, but a little more compassion certainly would help. This time of year just seems to magnify it also. Just think January isn't far off and we can put the holidays behind us. Hoping we all have a better year and I'm sorry your Christmas was so lonely.

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Re: Post-Christmas Blues and Expectations
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2007, 01:50:55 AM »
Sun - I identify with your post.  I have felt like that many years and at times chose to simply be alone.  But believe it or not I find merit in Hops reply.  It may sound bizarre but I have learned that I can turn around such glum situations by picking out something positive to focus on and focusing on others can be a very helpful way to do that.  Why not give it a try sometime with some situation that is easier or shorter than X-mas.  Hope you find some value in these thoughts.

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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2007, 02:40:56 AM »
Dear Sunblue,

I can totally relate for sure. I have 5 siblings and an N-mother, and some Christmas gatherings are just so hard to face. This year was a hard one, and I was in tears for most of the following day, so I can relate to how you're feeling.

I still hold out a lot of hope for my life, but the reality is that after 2 decades since most of my siblings & I left home, the `golden ones' (ie male or beautiful female siblings) are rich and living easy lives (with a huge amount of money and emotional support from our parents) , whereas the ones who were not Golden are still struggling to survive emotionally and financially due to abandonment and being raised to think they are worthless.

My `Golden' siblings often deal with their embarrassment over being treated vastly better than me by going into denial, like your brother is doing. They have accused us of being difficult or deliberately unappealing ( lol) when the reality is that our parents favor them for stupid and superficial reasons, and punish the rest of us. They don't understand NPD, not would they have any interest in doing so, as everything is fine for them.

Sunblue, I dealt with this for years by avoiding my family as much as possible, and it was good for me. I am happy enough with my life these days to face them and not crumble, but its still so hard.  They were given such a huge leg up in life, and I was not, and I resent that.

Anyway, the one thing that helps me most is to focus on my own life and goals. I still lvoe my family, but yeah, Christmas gathering are so hard. N parents are so cruel.

Hugs to you

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Re: Post-Christmas Blues and Expectations
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2007, 07:37:22 AM »
Dear Sun,
 I can totally relate to your feeling of isolation and  of being "different". I can hear  a"scream" inside you, "Why doesn't anyone understand? Why won't s/one see  me and help me?"
I can hear it and understand ,Sun.
 It will be a process to move from 'Point A"(depression) to 'Point B(peace). I have made emotional changes since I have been on the board,so I know that it can be done. However,it is very slow and you "screw up"  and it can be embarrassing(lol)
There is no  easy way out of your kind of pain. Healing deep pain is not "pretty",either,as Bradshaw says.
Sun, I think that you need to post more. IF people tell you to "get over it",just ignore it.The board has many members in all stages of healing and sickness. Our healing can trigger pain in others and they can "bite' back.However, that cannot let that  stop where YOU  need to go. You are fighting for you life ,which you are losing to depresssion , at the moment. You are posting b/c you are trying to face the truth about your own life. As you face the truth, you will heal. The Bible promises that you will be "free"(happy, joyous,peaceful) IF you can face all the truth about everything.
 What is depressing you(IMO) are simply "lies'. They feel "real'. I have been there and still get there. However, all your pain is simply caused by lies that you believe  and do not question.
 Lies about our value produce depression(IMO). You are not seeing your value and that is the root of your depression(IMO). You believe the lies of the N family. You are in the funk and fog of lies. The N family is one huge lie. All the members are keeping the lies going, simply by interacting within that system.
  You are living the lies,inside and outside yourself.
 Sun,  *I* can see your value. I hope that you will keep posting. I will always answer  and I will never say."Get over it."
 I think that if you make that ONE commitment to keep posting your truth(however depressing it is for you or others), you will start to heal. It will begin the process .Compost what does not fit, Sun.        Love   Ami


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Re: Post-Christmas Blues and Expectations
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2007, 12:05:46 PM »
Thank you Hops, Alone, GainingStrength, Bella French and Ami for your comments and your support.  So much of what you said rang true.

Hops:

Your points were well taken and so true.  I did want to clarify and say that although I did not have a good time on Christmas Day, I was not behaving like the wallflower who sits there and doesn't communicate.  In fact, from the outside, an observer would probably think nothing was wrong.  I initiated and engaged in conversation with several of my brother's in-law family members.  At dinner I was seated next to two elderly uncles of my sis-in-law who no one much paid attention to.  I repeatedly engaged them in rather lively conversation, asked them about their lives and their interests. I got one of the uncles to pull ou his harmonica to play a tune and share tales of the good ole days.  I also attempted conversation with the 20somethings at the table as well as other family members.  They all became interested in and participated in these exchanges.  I played with the children.  I made small talk with all the members there.  So, I did not try to make it about me.  I'm not an N and don't need to be the center of attention at all times.  But what I found interesting is despite all my efforts, not one of those people ever tried to engage me or ask about me.  I was invisible.  Yet, I'm always the one asking about everyone else, taking interest in their lives and interests and problems, inquiring about them, etc.  Thus, at the end of the day, I ended up feeling sad and empty.  Meanwhile, everyone else felt it was a good day and that nothing at all was wrong.  That's usually how it goes for me.  It just seems my life and relationships and efforts are always a one-way street and that tends to leave you feeling really empty and alone.

But you are right.  I am a firm believer that you should be inquisitive and curious about other people.  I am that.  I am a good listener and am always the first person to ask about someone else----what's going on in their lives, how they are feeling, what interests them, etc.

Bella French:

I nearly cried reading your post....it just rang soooo very true of me.  In particular your comments about how your golden siblings are living easy, rich lives and have the emotional support of your parents.  How true!!!!   The Chosen Child in my family is my older sister and she is doing very well......But I am a firm believer that there is a direct connection between the constant emotional support, encouragement and attention given her by my parents and her current circumstances.

I so identified with your comment about how the non-golden children are struggling to survive emotionally and financially due to abandonment and being raised to think they are worthless.  That is me entirely!  My Nsister has not struggled at all and my healthy brother has had only good luck in his life.  I think being a male, he also never had a real need for connection with my parents or their encouragement.  He always got that from other sources and now has plenty of all that with his wife and daughter and friends.  He never thought he was worthless.  But I have been plagued by that all my life.  I have struggled and struggled and still gotten nowhere.  So I do think there is a connection.  The only difference in your situation is that neither of my siblings, neither the Nsister nor "healthy" brother feels any embarrassment about being treated better.  My Nsister of course believes she deserves it while no one else does.  My brother simply won't acknowledge that he has been blessed with good luck that others do not have.  He has gotten everything he has wanted and never really had to struggle for it.

And yes, I have been accused of many things by him (and the rest)----being negative, deliberately looking unappealing to "hide" myself, whining, complaining, being difficult, having too high expectations, etc.  Like you said, they do not understand NPD, nor do they want to.  I took many efforts to educate my brother about NPD but he merely shrugged it away saying, "Well, at least there's a name for it."  He simply didn't care.  I guess it's not important to him since he was not terribly affected by it.

And you're right.  We are punished...in so many ways.  So thank you for sharing.  I just wanted to say I really identified with what you wrote.

Ami:


You're right.  I guess sometimes I do feel like screaming.  It's so frustrating that no one sees me or cares about me when I go out of my way to see and understand them and certainly care about them deeply.  I resent that, because I see them doing that for others in their lives---their spouses, children, friends. 

As Bella said, I feel punished all the time.  I'm punished for being depressed.  I'm punished for the negative circumstances that have occurred in my life, such as my unemployment, even though it was out of my control.  I'm punished for my hopelessness and sadness.  I'm punished for not having the good luck of finding someone special or friends.

So I guess there is some resentment.  In my view, if I knew someone in my exact circumstances, I would go out of my way to support and encourage them.  Instead, my family turns the other way and either blames me or punsihes me for it.


Ugggh...So very painful.  I know I was the only one in my family who cried on the holidays...who was in pain.  Everyone else got what they wanted out of the holiday.  I helped make their holidays special via various activities and efforts...but no one returned the favor...I know that's selfish thinking.....I try not to focus on it since it won't change....but still...so sad.

Thanks all for listening to my rant.  SunBlue is feeling more blue than sunny these days I'm afraid.  I appreciate all your valuable input and comments.

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Re: Post-Christmas Blues and Expectations
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2007, 12:53:07 PM »
Hi Sun,
Of course you need reciprocity. Everybody does. You were trying your best to not mind, but you couldn't help it, you really DID mind.

I just had one followup thought, trying to sustain my inkling of what might have been wrong. Obviously, you behaved in a very thoughtful and friendly fashion the whole time. Hmmm...

I wonder if one partial answer could be: You were friendly and selfless and other-oriented, seeking to bring out other people, but you didn't feel happy with yourself as a result.

IOW, you did "all the right things" but you couldn't give yourself any love for having done so. You couldn't give yourself credit for your kindness. You couldn't enjoy your own goodness toward others. You couldn't love yourself for being loving!

I may be way off target, nothing certain ... but I am wondering if that may be tracking in the right direction.

Maybe it's like having trouble letting go of the outcome. (My major.) IOW, if you get to a place where being kind and other-focused now and then in groups feels good for its own sake and you let go of the outcome (e.g., whether you'll be "repaid" with the affirmation you need) then you'll feel better?

Meanwhile, it's obvious you won't get that reciprocity or validation from your Nfamily. So perhaps the best thing is to keep practicing new attitudes in other groups. As you did at the choir. There, though, the FOO pattern was still playing for you (hurt, isolated, sad).

I'm rambling a little but hope anything's helping even a bit.

with love to you,
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Re: Post-Christmas Blues and Expectations
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2007, 03:41:40 PM »
Sorry it was such a touch time, Sun.

As I read your post I kept thinking....."they're never going to change or give her what she needs... they just can't."

I don't even think it has anything to do with how you act.

You're kind and thoughtful and willing to bend your desires so there's peace and some communication but..... it's not on your plane... it's about your making compromises and no one else seems to note that or take your needs into consideration.

I also think, while reading your posts.... that you may have fallen into the role of family pet, in your family.  What I mean by that is.... no one expects you to assert yourself and they wouldn't know what to make of you, if you did.

They're pretty comfortable with a certain idea of you and, you, obviously aren't.

The only person who can change that dymamic is YOU, Sun.

You get your meds straightened out if they aren't.  You form a healthy schedule and habits that you don't compromise for anyone.  YOu put YOU first.  I remember doing this for the first time.... it inlcuded selecting my clothes for the next day and laying them out.... I detailed my car every weekend and worked 2 jobs with very little socializing.  I had to take care of myself and it was something I wasn't used to doing... I had to be methodical and lay out rules.  I followed them.  I didn't spend any time with my family.... I turned inward and figured out how to take care of me for the first time. 

You get more training or keep applying for jobs.  You get interested in something new that gives you hope and creates passion.

You keep checking your list of self care rituals and make sure you're paying attention to yourself, not what others are doing around you.

Your family isn't going to change.... but you may find that when you change.... your relationships with them change too.

You have less time to focus on what your family is doing wrong.... and focus on what you can do right for yourself, in other words. 

You make new friends and meaningful connections..... broaden your horizons. 

Pick 2 new books that really speak to you and schedule reading time.... time to journal. 

As you invest in yourself..... you depend more on yourself and less on others and any permission you think you need from them.

Give yourself permission to feel and accomplish and care for yourself. 

I'd love to see a list of New Year's goals from you and everyone else on the board.

Something as small as..... I resolve to care for my feelings and honor my goals before considering thow others feel about it...

or....


I resolve to sit with my feelings and do nothing when I'm confused and sad...... just think about it then choose something from my self care list to tackle instead of reacting to the grief. 

I think you understand how you feel....

and that you'll feel better once you know why you feel.  Becoming clear on our feelings is so helpful, IMO. 

It's  terrible to care more about the feelings of others than your own.... esp when you're expecting them to care just a little bit in return..... and they don't.

They don't know any better.... they can't do any better..... you deserve better. 

You can give that to yourself, Sun.

One positive feeling leads to another.

You're more capable than you realize..... stronger than you know. 

One door leads to another......

the doors you've already opened don't hold anything new and they won't ever show you anything better than what they already offer.

Self care.  Mindfully caring for yourself and laying out goals..... laying out the foundation for self care.  That requires new habits and resisting the old.

Disclaimer:  I may be way off target...... if so, sorry.... I haven't been reading the board much.  Just sharing what my heart feels when I read your latest posts.
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Re: Post-Christmas Blues and Expectations
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2007, 06:11:03 PM »


Bella French:

I nearly cried reading your post....it just rang soooo very true of me.  In particular your comments about how your golden siblings are living easy, rich lives and have the emotional support of your parents.  How true!!!!   The Chosen Child in my family is my older sister and she is doing very well......But I am a firm believer that there is a direct connection between the constant emotional support, encouragement and attention given her by my parents and her current circumstances.

I so identified with your comment about how the non-golden children are struggling to survive emotionally and financially due to abandonment and being raised to think they are worthless.  That is me entirely!  My Nsister has not struggled at all and my healthy brother has had only good luck in his life.  I think being a male, he also never had a real need for connection with my parents or their encouragement.  He always got that from other sources and now has plenty of all that with his wife and daughter and friends.  He never thought he was worthless.  But I have been plagued by that all my life.  I have struggled and struggled and still gotten nowhere.  So I do think there is a connection.  The only difference in your situation is that neither of my siblings, neither the Nsister nor "healthy" brother feels any embarrassment about being treated better.  My Nsister of course believes she deserves it while no one else does.  My brother simply won't acknowledge that he has been blessed with good luck that others do not have.  He has gotten everything he has wanted and never really had to struggle for it.

And yes, I have been accused of many things by him (and the rest)----being negative, deliberately looking unappealing to "hide" myself, whining, complaining, being difficult, having too high expectations, etc.  Like you said, they do not understand NPD, nor do they want to.  I took many efforts to educate my brother about NPD but he merely shrugged it away saying, "Well, at least there's a name for it."  He simply didn't care.  I guess it's not important to him since he was not terribly affected by it.

And you're right.  We are punished...in so many ways.  So thank you for sharing.  I just wanted to say I really identified with what you wrote.


I really know what you mean, Sunblue!

The depressions, with me, used to get so dark. In fact its hard to write about it, or want to remember those times. I don't know if I felt worthless, exactly, or if it was more `hopelessness' that I felt, you know?

What was harder, especially in early adulthood, was that the world seemed no better than my family scenario.  I grew to feel that my family was just a characature of what the world is really like. I couldn't escape the dynamics, as many of the experiences I had mirrored my family dynamics, and that was hard to face: Things like men being more important, and seeing so many empty, vacuous women rewarded and loved, whilst I was passed over SO many times. It has been a very difficult and painfully slow process to find support, real friends, a partner, and build a life. I have come far, but I had to fight for everything I have, without support and with a great deal of opposition.

 I used to think my hardships- in the family, &  in the world-  were because I wasn't beautiful, but I have since been beautiful, on and off, and I think the bigger problem, with me, is probably intelligence and depth. Its hard for some people to be around those traits, because perhaps its just uncomfortable being around a mind that sees more than you do? Maybe it makes people feel badly about themselves, or its too challenging to their denial? In any case, I learned to self denigrate and prop other people up, in order to survive in a social sense. I keep my thoughts to myself. People don't generally want to be `known' in the way a  deep person can know others. i think it might be because most people are up to no good, lol. This all makes social interactions a bit tedious for me, nowadays, but on the upside, it makes me a good teacher and great around children.

A friend of the family spotted it when I was 14, when I was being left out of all the fun at a party. I couldn't understand it, and i felt ugly and so alone. She tried to make me understand that depth is what makes me different, and that I will get more out of life because it. I really wished she had more input in my upbringing, but my mother despised her, and she was ejected from our life shortly after that. But I am so grateful that she was able to find the right words, to help understand the isolation.

Sunblue, it really helps to have a partner's support, and you will find the right one some day. I've been a mess after Christmas, but he's one the few men I know who values depth and substance in a woman. He's been trying to make me feel a sense of pride in who I am, which is always hard after being around my siblings.

I guess I have rambled on too, sorry about that. I guess it might be worth considering that your isolation is because you have a special and deep mind?  Its hard to comes to terms with, but in the end I think it is a gift to value.

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Re: Post-Christmas Blues and Expectations
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2007, 07:36:12 PM »
Dear Bella,
  I am so happy that you have a man who loves you. It sounds like it is a great comfort to you. It sounds like he appreciates your unique qualities.
  Bella, if you could,would you tell us about him and what makes him so special to you.                     Love   Ami
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2007, 05:22:08 PM »
Dear Ami,

Its nice to hear from you when I'm feeling fragile:) Thanks so much for writing.

It hard to describe my partner objectively! I think he's the most  perfect & beautiful man in the world, of course lol:) I suppose what other people would notice most is that he has a kind, laid back, upbeat nature and he's fun. There are lot of really good things about our relationship, but I think one of its biggest strengths is we make each other laugh a lot.

Thanks so much for asking:)

X bella

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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2007, 11:57:03 PM »
Dear Bella,
  He sounds nice and I am so happy that you have a partner  with all those wonderful traits. Thanks for telling a little bit about him, Bella.              Love  Ami

Sorry for the hijack ,Sun. I couldn't stop myself(lol)
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Re: Post-Christmas Blues and Expectations
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2008, 05:03:30 PM »
Lighter, Hops, Ami, Bella:

I apologize for this much delayed response to your very thoughtful and insightful comments.  I am so appreciative of your comments.  The holidays were sad and sobering for me.  It took me awhile to absorb some of the comments but I did want to respond now.

The holidays were sobering, not just because of my current negative circumstances, but because it is so evident that you are all so right in that my family will not change----and does not want to change.

My mother is indeed a self-centered, selfish N, along with my Nsister.  My dad has become so extreme in his co-dependent behaviors, it has become quite hopeless and sad to witness.  He quite literally jumps whenever she arrives home and spends all his time anticipating her every need and wish.  It is embarrassing.  Over the New Year's weekend, I invited him to a movie.  He hemmed and hawed but after my insistence, he finally agreed to go.  Once there, he enjoyed the film but still everything revolved around my Nmom.  We had to go to the earliest show in case my Nmom came home earlier than expected (he couldn't be out with me if she were home).  He didn't say much of anything to me during the course of the time we were together and I realized that had I not initiated it, he would never have thought to go.  In effect, I realized that he has no desire to have a relationship with me, let alone a close one.  He has no need for me.  HIs only need is for my Nmom and for anticipating her every whim and wish.  This holiday, I went out of my way to do special things such as buying his favorite treats and selecting gifts which he would enjoy and be delighted with.  He was happy with all of that but doesn't really appreciate it all.  I realized that in my whole life, he has never himself selected a gift or card for me.  He never asks about me.  He has never offered me any advice.  He has never expressed interest in my life or interests.  The same is true of him and my brother.  My Nsis, of course, is a different situation since she is the chosen child.  I've tried repeatedly to talk to my dad, ask about his health, his interests, etc.  But quite literally, he changes the subject, says something silly or refuses to have a real conversation.  I certainly could never go to him with a real problem or question.  Perhaps it is the result of being with my extremely Nmom all his adult life.  Perhaps being on the receiving end of her narcissism has caused him to be a completely helpless, co-dependent person.  It seems to have gotten worse.  He has no opinions of his own.  He can't make his own decisions.  His whole life revolves around my Nmom and what she wants. 

As for my Nmom, she treats him so badly.  He will talk to her about something or ask a question and she will quite literally ignore him and pretend he didn't say anything.  Over the holidays this happened and I turned to her and said, "Mom, dad's asking you something!!"  She just looked at me like I was crazy.  She is very, very fully aware of what she is doing.  She deliberately does this and it is heartbreaking and so painful to watch.  I wanted to slap her.

My Nmom is just so selfish.  She only interacts with me when she needs or wants something.  Thus, when she wanted me to help her with her work or something else, she turns to me.  My father requires me to drop everything to help her.  (I live with them so it is hard to ignore or say no.)  She has absolutely no respect for me, nor my dad.  One of my therapists once acknowledged that it is obvious they have no respect for me.  My mom only respects those who make a lot of money, have expensive houses or are powerful.  Thus, in her eyes, I'm a total failure.  Nevermind that she would never lift a finger to help me or support me, as she has her "chosen child."  She cares so much about what others think---strangers even.   What they think matters so much more than her own family.

My brother, the healthy one, proved very disappointing as well this holiday.  He has withdrawn from my parents, due to their behavior.  I think he has tossed me into the mix.  He put no thought in the gifts he got for us.  In fact, I provided gifts for him to give my parents (he paid me back) because he had no idea what to get them.  I spent a lot of thought selecting gifts for him and his family.  I dont care about the gifts.  But to me, it just showed he took no interest in me and doesn't know me at all. 

What I realized is that he has no interest in having a close relationship with me or in spending any real time with me.  He invests so much time and effort into his wife and daughter but invests none in me.  I'm like an item on his to-do list.  He'll call to check in once in a while but he doesn't want to know how I'm "feeling".  All he cares about is whether I've found a job yet.  He never confides in me.  He never shares with me.  He reserves all that for his own family.

I felt so sad and lonely, rejected and let down this holiday.  I realize that I am really alone.  My parents don't care about me.  My brother doesn't in any real way.  I have no friends.  I haven't been able to find a job.  In my Nmom's eyes, I am a total failure and I think maybe she's right.  No matter how hard I try, I just can't get out of my deep hole. 

I volunteer at my church, donated to charities this season, went out of my way for my neighbors, did other little things for my family to help make a happy holiday....but I was just left feeling really empty and alone.  It really hurts that I matter to no one, especially my own family.  In my brother's case, I guess I'm only first realizing that he really doesn't value a relationship with me like I have with him.  He only values his wife and daughter.  I know there are many people who feel the same way about their siblings.  But I just don't get it.  How can you forget the person(people) you spent your childhood with, shared a house with for 18 years.....He just refuses to try to put himself in my shoes.  He only includes me when it is convenient for him.  For example, once in a blue moon, he'll squeeze me in when his wife and daughter are off doing something else.  So for two hours while they're off doing something else, he deigns to see me.  But I am never a priority.  That's what I'm realizing.  I've never been and not now a priority for anyone.  So I just was left feeling so disappointed and rejected.


Lighter, I think you are right.  They take advantage of me.  They just assume I will always be there, being the one who does all the special things, who goes along.  I had a reader not long ago tell me that I should disance myself from them.  Maybe then, she said, they will miss you .  I personally don't think they'll ever miss me, but I do think they will never change.  How painful that is!

As for meds, I'm on meds.  They help a little with the energy and sleep but not with the depression.  I have tried many and none has really worked well.

I guess I have to accept that I am alone.  It seems I have spent my whole life alone---doing everything alone, feeling alone.  Everyone else in my family has someone who cares about them---a husband, wife, children, boyfriend.  I just don't.  A person I thought was a friend and who I supported for more than 15 years, just deserted me when I lost my job.  I don't know.  It just seems I continue to do for others, but they have no time for or interest in me.


I feel so sad I could break in two.  I feel hopeless.  People always say when one door closes, another window opens.  But that is just the case for me.  I just get one disappointment after another and I think my family has been the biggest disappointment of all.   

Sorry for the very long and very depressing rant.  My new year's prediction for my sign said I need to let go of the past.  But letting go of the past is so hard when it's your family.

I think when you come from a family of narcissists, you learn to focus only on the narcissists.  That leaves you with no hopes, dreams or wishes of your own.  That leaves no one to focus on you.  I think that's my situation.  I am invisible.  It's odd that neither of my siblings, neither the N nor the healthy one, ever felt that way.  THey always places themselves as a priority.  I'm the middle child..and also the one spurned by my older Nsibling at an early age.    But it has damaged me.  I know that now.  For me, it is most sad and sobering to realize that no one cares about what I go through.  They are so selfish and unwilling to compromise or put themselves in my shoes.

Ah well....thanks again for listening and posting.  Sorry for the negative post.  The last few weeks have just been painful.  I know others are going through much more difficult times.  My heart and soul does go out to them.  I can certainly empathize and I can only hope they have others in their lives who can help them through.




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Re: Post-Christmas Blues and Expectations
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2008, 05:43:56 PM »
Well Sun.....

I think that most people can't do what it takes to get past the pain and dysfunction of their FOO.

It's so painful..... more painful than sustaining and living with the pain of staying at status quo.

Through the fire...... facing the pain and accepting it..... mourning it..... crying ranting and keeining about it....

then letting it go.....

replacing it with worthy uplifting things.

Growing from the painful lessons (that won't kill you) though it feels they might.

In the meantime, you can adjust your expectations of your family, so you aren't so dissapointed in them. 

I hope you keep a private journal, no one else can get their hands on. 

As you grow.... it's interesting to look back and see how far you've come.  Note where you might have let a boundary down then regroup.

I'm so sorry your family can't give you what you're entitled to.  It's not fair and you deserved better. ((sunblue))  They just can't do it any differently or they would.