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« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2005, 10:21:57 AM »
vunil:

Congrats on the baby!  I am very happy for you.  On dealing with the narcs in your family.  I think I like the one about holding the phone out while they talk about themselves is the best.  I have employed this one many times! Hah! When you call just let them talk about themselves, their favorite topic, what they are doing, what is important to them.  I then become tone deaf.  I then give them the important information I wanted them to know, then tell them I need to go.

As far as them being excited about the baby?  If it is not about them, the baby will be second.  Just minimize the amount of time you spend around them.  I remember when I told my narc mother-in-law that I was pregnant, she was "very upset that I had not considered her financial situation first and what was she going to do?"  They never change cherie.  Much love Patz

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« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2005, 12:24:40 PM »
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"very upset that I had not considered her financial situation first and what was she going to do?"



Oh, this sounds so familiar!  I have tried to get pregnant for a year and a half and every month was a low-probability possibility.  A devastating process.   Sometimes I had to wait months and months before I could try again.  One month I was in the process of trying, feeling very hopeful, and I was talking to my mom on the phone and she counted ahead 9 months from then.  She got really upset with me.  "Don't you know we'll be overseas?  And we've been talking about staying an extra two weeks because we found a really great deal!"    She was furious I hadn't checked the dates with her.  

Oh, ps, they are retired and spend most of their time travelling, so whenever it happened they would be gone somewhere.  Thank heavens :)

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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2005, 07:05:04 AM »
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Why does she care if I get my own little thing separate from her?  


This may not be too easy for you to hear.  To an N your baby is not your own, and it is not part of you.  You are part of her supporting cast, and the baby is the same.  Your baby is there to help her to feel superior to the world.  That is its role in life.  Same as my child to my family.  The children are loved, in an N way, for the unconditional belief and love they bring to the N, whether parent, grandparent, aunt or whatever.  And at the point they start to think for themselves and lose the hero worship of the Ns, they become of less interest and they get effectively dumped in favour of the next baby along.  I have seen this happen over and over.

If this aunt has access to your child in any way, the child will become one more in her supporting cast of thousands, and she will stay in the middle, like Cleopatra dressed in cloth of gold on her golden throne.  You and your child will not be one of the slaves in the background; you get some status from being blood relations, but you still don't get the limelight.  Not ever.

If you have other ideas, such as that this baby is the most important person ever to you, then of course your sister will not like it.  She will get the attention back any way she can, and one way is to play the expert; belittle you, your doctors, anything, to make herself feel better.  She is using your child already.

So, stuff her.  Worst thing you can do to her is ignore her.  Who cares what she thinks about your pregnancy?  If she can't be nice, then who needs her.

The only important thing to say is; congratulations on your miracle baby, and enjoy every single moment.  I am very, very happy for you.

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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2005, 07:18:08 AM »
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Wow, thanks you guys.  You are really insightful, and such good writers!  Some of the writing on this list is better than anything I've read in the bookstore on this subject.  Honestly.  It's a complicated issue and it really seems more understandable when you guys help me with it.

Ok, so here's my next question.  It's the obvious one. What do I do when the baby is born?  One of my goals is to stop the patterns in my family from passing on to my child.  

It's complicated because these folks are not lost causes-- they don't have full-blown NPD or anything, they are just garden-variety narcissistic.  They do love and know how to give.  And they will love my child.  It's just that at this late date I'm afraid the patterns of my family are so entrenched that there is no hope for moving out of them.  No one is even trying besides me....



One of the things that N families do is to distort reality, and create their own fantasy world.  The most important thing that you can do is to make a decision to always tell your child the truth, as you see it.  Always.  Not the nasty truth, just the kind, simple kind.

Sometimes when I bring my child away from seeing her grandparents I talk to her about them, and I tell her what they are doing and why.  I am not nasty about it, but I tell her that they see the world differently from the way I see it, and I explain why that makes them speak and act as they do.  And she can understand that.

As an example, gran clapped her hands and laughed recently when a couple on 'who wants to be a millionaire' got an answer wrong and lost several thousands of pounds.  I had arrived shortly before, and I said straight away, not in a harsh way, but matter of fact 'It isn't very nice to clap when people have lost money like that'.  She immediately stopped, then started trying to justify what she did.  She pretended she was glad the programme was finished, rather than pleased they lost the money.  I wasn't fooled, and neither was my daughter.  But my Nmum and dad will now believe absolutely that she did not show shadenfreude, but it was because the programme ended.

It is this kind of small crazymaking behaviour that you need to innoculate your child against, and it is done by being true to what you know, and teaching your child to be the same.

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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2005, 08:18:56 AM »
Vunil:

I can relate to your situation, I really can.  My family when I became pregnant, they congratulated me ok., but my father informed me it had better be a boy.  When I brought my son home, my middle brother came over to see but he asked "where is the boy".  As I brought up my child, to answer one of your questions (What do I do when they come over to see us.?)  Well, narcs are so caught up in their on world you won't have to worry about any "visits", calls, birthday gifts, celebrations of milestone etc.  However, they may be critical on how you are rearing him, feeding him, have competition with their own children.  I hate to be a wet blanket but your expectations should be zero and sadly be happy about it.  Less narc exposure for your child.  It is very sad and it makes me cry and angry at the same time why they cannot be joyous at this most important time in  your life.

 My mother in law when I told her I was pregnent, "well how is this going to impact me financially".  She thought she was coming to live with us and I was going to take care of her. (she was able to work and take care of herself).  When I objected to her smoking in the house with the baby, she said "how do  you know that the smoke is going into his room at all?".  You begin to get the picture.  My mother did not come when my child was born.  I think I got a couple of calls from my relatives, but not from my father, my brothers.  My mother did call as I remember.  Christmas, I tried going home I think for a about 3 Christmas'.  After that I never went back for holidays at all.  Just to much narc exposure.  Patz

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« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2005, 11:41:56 AM »
Congrats Vunil! I am so happy for you.  I am also expecting for the 2nd time and my Nmom has yet to even see my first baby.  I have a similar situation I posted this a long time ago:
http://www.voicelessness.com/disc3/viewtopic.php?p=11213&highlight=#11213

I wish you a wonderful, healthy & HAPPY pregnancy!

Angry Girl

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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2005, 12:59:18 PM »
Angry Girl:

Your mother is very very disturbed. I read you link.  I am very sad about you and Mia and your family's responses.  

A baby is a wonderful, happy event.  I am so very pleased that you both have children that you can nuture and be proud of.  It took me 8 years to conceive.   I simply got major indifference from my family.  It truly hurts and my heart breaks for you both.  Much love Patz

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« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2005, 01:30:41 PM »
Vunil,
You wrote,
"Is that the key? That I protect my child"
In a nutshell! Absolutely! Without a doubt! That little child will be an imprint machine. What do you want imprinting him? My advice since you have chosen to stay in contact with your family is to set behavioral boundaries and warn them of the consequences when crossed. If you have to cut off members of your family to protect your child, that is a no-brainer IMO. What could be more important than protecting a helpless child?
Incidentally, congratulations on your new Young Republican! Sorry, terrible joke. :oops: Forgive me please, I couldn't resist.

mudpuppy