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October

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The law on education
« on: April 22, 2005, 04:57:44 AM »
I thought I would start a new thread, because this is surprising to me.  This is UK, but might be of interest to people elsewhere as well.

The law in the UK says that children must be educated full time, and that responsibility for ensuring that this education happens rests with the parent(s), and that they delegate to the LEA, but remain the ones in charge.  

It does not say that children have to go to school, but specifically allows for education 'otherwise'.  There is no necessity for 'otherwise' education to follow the national curriculum, to take exams or to include any specific content.  That is up to the parent concerned, taking into consideration the needs and aptitude of the child.

This point has been challenged in court, and the clarification we have to date is that education means something like preparation for a full adult life, and that what that actually means will vary depending on the child.  It does not need a timetable, or set hours, or to follow what happens in school.

One attractive feature of this is that, for example, I could choose the route of International Baccalaureate for C, rather than A levels.   8)

I went to discuss this option with Nmum and dad yesterday.
 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:   Mum sat and glowered and said nothing (passive aggression).  Dad expressed her rage as well as he could, which is not very well in a family where anger is suppressed up to and beyond boiling point.  But he was angry.  He said, how can you get an education if you don't go to school, and what about exams.  So I said you take exams, by entering for them.  In fact you can take them early, a few at a time, instead of ten squashed together in two years.  And you get an education by learning.

So, they are not happy.   Dad told me sternly to think about it very carefully before making a (wrong!!) decision.  Duh!!!!!!!  My dad thinks experts are always right, and that I am supremely arrogant, because sometimes I think I know better than the experts, when of course, I can't possibly, because I have no brain.   :?  So from this point of view, what I am suggesting is irresponsible to the point of insanity.  I would not be surprised if he discusses it with my brothers, they agree, and they decide I am an unfit mother as a result.  I wonder if they would try anything else?   :?   Probably not.  Just lots of pressure, because they are used to me doing as I am told.

I agreed with Das as much as I could about generalities, and in fact no decision has been made.  But I think it might actually prove to be a very liberating experience for both C and me.  She was reading Oscar Wilde plays at 10 years old.  Not all of them, but a couple.  When she told the school teachers they were not able to accommodate that level of learning into the class.  As I read somewhere in the EO literature, sending a bright child to school is rather like waking a sleeping person to give them a sleeping tablet.  And if the experience of school is negative, as ours has increasingly been for several years now, it can in itself be positively harmful.

So, this was all a surprise to me, to be honest.  No need for expensive tutors, no need for expensive books or slavish adherence to the curriculum.  Just; 'There is the world; C, go explore'.   :lol:

Haven't told Nbrothers yet.  Perhaps I won't bother.  Dad will do that for me, no doubt.  I will wait and see how long it takes.  Meanwhile, C and I are planning a trip to the circus tonight.   :)

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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2005, 05:17:22 AM »
October,

Hope this entire situation can be resolved without anymore stress for either you or C (what a bunch of $%^#ing bureaucrats/ idiots!)

I've taken the I.B. and it's very challenging, interesting and rewarding, especially I think for bright kids. I got my education in various countries, but when I went to uni in Birmingham my levels of knowledge and skills were a lot higher than a lot of my British peers, which left some of them quite perplexed (you know the whole 'upstart foreigner' thing  :twisted: )
Anyhoo, my school life was far from conventional and it's never proven a disadvantage in anyway (now if I could just sort out my REAL life but that's a whole other story :shock: )

Wishing you and C all the best,

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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2005, 06:42:26 AM »
October:

If UK schools are anything like US schools is does not allow for exceptions.  Those exceptions can be on one end of the bell curve of that being mentally retarded or on the other end of the bell curve being exceptionally bright.  Schools are geared for the middle.  The fact that your child is bright puts her at a disadvantage in regular school.  It means she finishes her work ahead of time, it means she has free time that is not being utilized in a learning fashion, it may mean she will get bored, and it probably means you will have to augment her education ANYWAY because her needs are not being met.

I have been at the other end of the spectrum with my autistic son.  I had to develop and early intervention programme for him and work with him because there was nothing available where I lived.  To put him in a regular school he would have only been "warehoused" with others.

 Everyone has a brain and that has to be developed to  understand the world.  If your child requires something more, while there are "experts" (and they can only give an educated guess) you a in a much more better postion to understand your child and her needs.  If you feel her needs are not being met then it is incumbant on your part regardless of the N parents, to meet that need in whatever manner you think is best, period.

Many in the US are homeschooling their children for those reasons.  While I am not an advocate of homeschooling, if it works then do it.  Same is true if you put your child in school. Gifted children are a challenge.  It is very  hard to stay ahead of them and  you are constantly trying to push the envelope for their benefit.

After all it is your child's life and making the most of her abilities, and not you N parents or N family.

Much luck
Patz

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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2005, 09:45:38 AM »
October,
I mean this question with no disrespect, but why did you discuss this with your parents?  It seems you would know well enough what their reaction would be by now and you would not come away with a feeling of support.  I know that it is hard to break out of the mold of wanting our parents approval and support, but when it never comes, its best not to seek it IMO.  I'm sorry if  I've said something hurtful here.

You are a very bright, accomplished woman who knows your daughter better than anyone.  If you feel that home schooling is the best option for her, then go for it.  You are obviously more than qualified and you can expose her to things much earlier than the public schools would in most cases and stay abreast of her abilities.  I would just say that it is important to keep her involved in social activities with her peers in some fashion.  I know she is dealing with some health issues right now so it may not be possible at this time.  But down the road, it will be important to her development  to not allow her to be isolated.

Good luck working through this October.  I'm sure you will make the best decision for you and C.

God bless,

Brigid

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The law on education
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2005, 02:48:30 PM »
October, you are the parent, you get to make the decisions.  I say look into and give it a try!  I'm sure it will take a commitment on your part, but I know there are many websites and organizations dedicated to home schooling.  If you give a try and it doesn't work out, you can always go back to the regualr school. :evil:
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