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Dawndulane

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« on: May 26, 2005, 03:32:08 PM »
Someone please offer me ANY advice you may have....My ex-husband is a severe narcissist.  I have learned through research about this disorder and it has helped me immensely just to have the knowledge and know what makes him Lucifer.  The problem is that the court (in its infinite and omniscient power) decided not to listen to the psychiatrist that the court itself recommended, and my beautiful 10-year-old son must spend a ridiciulous amount of time with the wack job.  My son and I have a very open relationship and he shares his emotions and horror stories with me and I try and help him cope and heal, before he has to return to the hell for another weekend or visit.  Is there anything ANYTHING that I can do to help him deal with the abuse he must endure?  Please help!  I'm distraught because I feel that there is nothing I can do to take away his pain for good....

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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2005, 04:46:58 PM »
Hi and welcome,

You're a good mom, sorry your ex is such a loser. I think that what helps a child is being encouraged to express themselves through play and creative activity. They don't always want to describe things in words; but they will symbolize them in stories they tell, drawings, etc. You sound like you're already doing a great job.

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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2005, 05:15:55 PM »
Dawndulane,
Welcome.  I'm very sorry for you and your son.  I think if you review several of the other recent posts, you will see that there are a number of moms struggling with this same horrible situation.  I am fortunate in that my children are older (almost 17 and 20) and their N father has very little involvement in their lives.

Do you have an attorney to consult with?  Is there any further recourse that you can access through the court system?  Is your son in counseling?  If so, is the counselor seeing and hearing disturbing things which could be helpful to you?  I can only speak to the court system in my state and what I know has been done by friends of mine who had terrible parental situations.  One was able to get her son away from his father, but it takes the resources to fight it in court and getting social workers and therapists involved.

There are many people here who will be able to help you with methods they have used to help their younger children deal with these pathetic excuses for fathers.

I wish you well.

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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2005, 05:39:21 PM »
A friend of mine had a similar situation with her daughter.  She purchased a cell phone - and the daughter carried it with her everytime she went to her dad's.

The phone was available for use for calls to her mom, and calls to the police.

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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2005, 05:49:34 PM »
First to Bunny...thank you!  You made me cry because I felt validated.  Too often I question if I have done the right thing by leaving or if I am doing the right thing in how I handle the "episodes" my son must endure.

to Brigid....thank you for the advice and confidence.  I am trying to gather enough "hard evidence" and will see if that will turn the courts...unfortunately, I have been through the system and dealt a blow as Lucifer's attorney and the judge were pals.  The judge suppressed the child psychiatrist that had counseled me, my son, and his father.  The court didn't want to hear from the doctor.  I am hoping to get a change of judge, once I have some more abominal stories to hear from my baby...

to cat...nice suggestion and one that worked for only a week.  My son has had a cell phone for a year, but Lucifer will search him and his stuff until he finds it and then takes it away.  My son is not allowed to use any phone at his father's.  We are going to try taping it to his leg, this summer  :wink: sorry, not kidding....

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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2005, 06:02:46 PM »
Dawndulane, welcome. :)

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First to Bunny...thank you!  You made me cry because I felt validated.  Too often I question if I have done the right thing by leaving or if I am doing the right thing in how I handle the "episodes" my son must endure.

At least this way your son doesn't have to be around it ALL the time.  It doesn't sound like there is really a "good" choice with your ex.  I have learned (here on this board) that sometimes all we can choose is the best of a bad set of choices.

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to cat...nice suggestion and one that worked for only a week.  My son has had a cell phone for a year, but Lucifer will search him and his stuff until he finds it and then takes it away.  My son is not allowed to use any phone at his father's.  We are going to try taping it to his leg, this summer  :wink: sorry, not kidding....

Ughgh!  I'm sorry you have to go to such lengths to deal with your XH.  Keep up the good work.  Your son will ALWAYS remember how hard you fought for him and supported him during these times.
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2005, 06:18:58 PM »
wasn't an easy way: first he chose to live with his nfather. I couldn't believe the decision; I felt he was caretaking his father, who was wandering 'round liek a hurt puppy for weeks.

However, I refused to do battle and I facilitated their relationship for some time, until I had a breakdown.

Suddenly son is acting out, n-h finally realises he's the one to blame ( yes- the b-word, most appropriate in this case ) and is frantic to do something, anything, to get his beautiful boy back. Even take responsibility for himself.

I was like a broken record at that time, partially my illness, but I just kept saying you've got to change & help yourself before you can help him, so he went to a psychiatrist. She helped him change just enough for him to start taking responsibility and listening to me and others. There have been many setbacks and returns to n-behaviour though, and I've had to be pretty ruthless too, in the face of 'please lets put the family back together'.

When we've all done our individual therapy we're going to do family sessions.

We all communicate now, not perfectly but better than before, and things are easier except for our son's agression and resentment with me, it's like he's taken over where his father left off.

I never believed in family systems theories before- I sure do now.

It's all cost a lot of money and my anxiety levels went through the roof when I first handed over my son, and didn't know what would happen.

I think our outcome is more positive than a lot of n-parents, I suspect it's only because we had the money and were in a city with loads of facilities...

but it's been very lonely losing my family, and I've already talked about my failed attempts to connect with other people.

I still believe hand on heart though that all the bad things would have happened anyway, and it was the right thing to leave the marriage, to tell n-h exactly what I thought of him, and to keep us all in therapy until we get through all this.

You've done the right thing, 'bad things'- traits, emotions, frictions, they come out anyway somewhere even if the kids seem unaffected and the lifestyle and marriage looks perfect from the outside. Something always cracks eventually- often a scapegoated child.

WHen I was a social worker I was always hearing 'where did we go wrong' from women like me- educated, stuck to their bad marriages, become emotional automatons unable to speak openly with their children...and their kids later turned to drugs; many of the kids weren't even sure what had happened to them either: to outsiders their lives looked so good, so 'normal', and they'd heard so many times how lucky they were, and come to believe it must be something wrong with them.

Well done for breaking a cycle. At least your boy will know he's loveable, loved, and that though there are sick or damaged or damaging people in the world- it's nothing he need take responsibility for.

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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2005, 10:55:31 PM »
Dawndulane: Welcome. I hear in your post the same pain I had in my first post here.  I wasn't sure anyone could understand how this felt....but lots of us do.
Try to stay focused.  I found that the more upset I got, the more scattered and panicky I felt.  It was all well designed by my exNidiot to have me fall to pieces.  My children are older, but getting cell phones was a great idea.  I think even my exN would know that taking the cell phone away was crossing the line....they call me and whisper sometimes, but my lawyer would definately find something to slap him with if he confiscated the phones.  Ask your attorney about this one.

I am so sorry your ex's lawyer and the judge were in cahoots. I suspect as much with the judge who ordered that my children could not move with me....and now I am stuck with her endlessly for other things....yuck.
But it's ok.  I can't lose em all!!

I have recently won a few small victories for my children (the right for them to speak through a therapist to the courts, and some more "power" moves for them during visitation, etc).  Anyway, I tell you this so that you will just keep the faith. Find your goal.. Focus on that (a happy child) and keep that vision strong in your head and heart and body.  

Your ex is an a**h***....I do not doubt that , and he is part of a very big club....but that means WE are part of a powerful club, too!!!

Try not to get derailed by what he does.  Try not to be miserable about what he does WHILE your child is with you.  Stay focused. There WILL be a way!!!  Something will come up.

I just keep plodding along, one foot in front of the other....toward my goal.  I have found there is a way to be happy now, even though what I desire is not happening just yet.  It is because I have faith that I am on that path!  I have a loving and beautiful goal in sight.  

Please don't despair.  I have been there.....you have other "sisters" here who have been there (or are there).  It will get better. It will be ok.  Believe it.  And hug that kid and smile and be happy he is with you while he is (otherwise, I found that I ruined all our time together, anticipating NOT being together..)

How would it feel to have what you want?  Feel it?  Isn't that nice/a relief?
Well, everytime you get upset about his antics.....go ahead and yell (here, if need be) and then focus on that great feeling.  Have faith.

Sending you power and faith!!

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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2005, 03:37:40 AM »
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Dawndulane: .... Your ex is an a**h***....I do not doubt that , and he is part of a very big club....but that means WE are part of a powerful club, too!!!

Try not to get derailed by what he does..... Stay focused.....

I just keep plodding along, one foot in front of the other....toward my goal.  I have found there is a way to be happy now, even though what I desire is not happening just yet.  It is because I have faith that I am on that path!  I have a loving and beautiful goal in sight.  

Please don't despair.  I have been there.....you have other "sisters" here who have been there (or are there).  It will get better. It will be ok.  Believe it.  And hug that kid and smile and be happy he is with you while he is....

How would it feel to have what you want?  Feel it?  Isn't that nice/a relief?
Well, everytime you get upset about his antics.....go ahead and yell (here, if need be) and then focus on that great feeling.  Have faith.

Sending you power and faith!!




Welcome Dawndulane,

I cant offer you much except to echo the good advice of others and say im another 'sister' on this path as well and welcome you. :} i agree with mum to keep your eyes on the prize. keep your eyes on the prize. focus intently, creatively, and powerfully with your mom-power (which is considerable) on creating what you want. believe me i know it feels isolating and like a nightmare.....    i know exactly how difficult it is.. it makes you want to lose your mind....  but we can help each other focus on the positive and keep mentally strong. its important to stay mentally strong - becuase its inescapable that you will react emotionally to a threat against your child. you have to do anything, to stay cool.

as far as helping your son..... therapy of course... (sorry about the court experience! again, your not alone) you say you can talk well..... its good to keep communication open with light games, there are books you can get where you play games back and forth answering questions, such as 'what would you do if you were invisible' or 'if you could go anywhere for a day what would you do'? ive found these kind of games useful in making sure communication was open in an arena outside the painful ones..   cultivating humor and play is supposed to be a really strong factor in overcoming negative influences. :(

bunny's right about creative outlets. my daughter (12 yrs) is real verbal and writes endless journals and stories where she expresses herself, but there might be a different outlet your son would like, you could ask what hes interested in.  you cant get rid of the negative stuff maybe - but you can try to crowd it out some with positive stuff.....

sports, music, drama, pounding clay, anything to create other areas in his life that are positive or give an outlet for feelings.  

when im not pulling out my hair becuase im about to lose my mind, which is frequently, i try to look at it like an exercise in highly creative parenting. as much as you would stretch yourself, put yourself out, as far as you would go to give you kid a healthy life under regular circumstances, these circumstances are not regular, and you just have to stretch your mom-power that much further to give him what he needs. just like if they were in a hospital with a bad disease, or suffering a disabilitly, or anything else that takes the extra mile from us as mom......

its not optimal....... i empathise becuase brainwashing is a nightmare. just know your not alone.
d'smom

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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2005, 05:25:36 AM »
Call me curious,call me inquisitive,but why do you think that your Ex is NPD. I have read your posts and you surely are suffering as is your boy, however I cannot see a clear picture of your Ex's behavioral symptoms.
 I am not doubting your diagnosis, but a desciption of some of his actions would help me get clear about who and what we are discussing.
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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2005, 07:00:41 AM »
Welcome Dawndulane

You have my condolences.  I too have to deal with a X N because I have two young children with him.

Don't doubt yourself for leaving.  At least now your son doesn't have to live day in and day out with a N in the house.  Sounds like you are doing a good job with damage control.  Keep it up.  I know the whole situation can wear you down and you will often feel disheartened but like Mum said we have a Club of us on this board and we can all support each other.

That really rots that your X N had connections to the Judge.  Still,  I wouldn't let that discourage you from documenting everything.  If you can sneak some sort of surveillance to record N's behavior that would be fantastic.  He sounds very paranoid since he *searches* your son prior to a visit.  What a nice welcome that is for a child. :roll:

Continue on with showing your child how the sane live and function on a daily basis.  He is learning from you.  He knows he has a safe haven with Mom and that means the world to a kid.

Remember...keep that journal logging all your son's experiences.  You have a lot of writing to do.  :wink:

I will keep you and your son in my prayers.

Take care and God Bless.
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2005, 01:45:32 PM »
quote="Dawndulane"]Is there anything ANYTHING that I can do to help him deal with the abuse he must endure?  Please help!  I'm distraught because I feel that there is nothing I can do to take away his pain for good....[/quote]

Hi Dawndulane,

Did the court give you a reason why it would not listen to the expert opinion of the psychiatrist it had recommended? If there's no good reason and the judge and opposing attorney are pals, then it seems to me there's a considerable conflict of interest here. Could your attorney get another hearing under another judge without the extra evidence, (although, I think you should continue collecting as much evidence as you can), but maybe right now, you can inquire about a "mistrial" kind of thing or petition the court under another judge to consider vital information that was wrongly excluded in the last trial?

I don't know how the court system works, but it just seems to me there should be some kind of checks and balances set in place to protect the community from just this type of "fixing" outcomes. I know what "should be" and what "actually is" can be two entirely different things, and often it seems things are stacked against those who really need the protection, but if there are laws governing conflict of interests, then a good attorney might be able to get your son relief under that issue.

I think the most important thing you can do with your son as you're doing other things logistically for your son, is to validate his reality. To name not only his experience, but to name his emotions that he feels as a result of it. When a person is being abused, it fragments them...to split off from yourself can be a survival technique.

If you help your son name his experience and his feelings from that experience, you help to reintegrate himself.

I don't think you can take away your child's pain "for good", but I do believe you can help him to find coping skills and a depth of awareness that can last him and empower him throughout his entire life. It seems like you're already on your way to doing this.

I know your son is in a horrible situation, but I have to tell you that I just can't help but think how lucky he is to have a mother such as yourself.

Blessings,

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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2005, 02:56:31 PM »
HI, Dawndulane:

 I just looked back to your second post, and you said your ex does not allow your son ANY use of a phone at his house.
THAT is outrageous!  Even in our original papers, it clearly states that children will be allowed contact with both parents and phone use to do so (can't remember the wording).
I think this ALONE would be something to take that jerk to court over!! So you have any wording like that at all?  Most custody papers do!!
 If he is like my ex....going to court is frightening, as there is always the possibility he  will be exposed for the controlling, emotional abuser he is!
Talk to your attorney, and if yours is no good, get a better one!!

He sounds so much like an N-controller (frighteningly like so many of us have dealt with).  Poor kid.  Keep your chin up.  Do what is right, it will be ok.  You have a lucky kid....remember, they only need ONE good parent.
I have heard this from soooo many child counselors and psychologists, I think it's true (and my kids are pretty cool...and thier dad is a jerk)

Best wishes, sweetie, I hope your weekend is peaceful!!