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Re: Hurricane Katrina Apathy?
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2005, 12:08:23 AM »
I'm thinking back to the Tsunami disaster. As I recall, it took about 2-3 days for even Oxfam to start asking for aid, although they immediately said they were mobilizing and would be co-ordinating aid. So did the Red Cross. I think many people were ready and willing to give right away, but there was nothing in place because tsunami was such a shock and so unprecedented. It takes awhile to set up websites and get coordinated.

In the case of Katrina, very little news was coming out of the area at first because of downed communications. There was streaming video from a local station that finally went down, and from the Times-Picayune blog, but even then, the news was spotty and very localized. Then for awhile, it seemed that NOLA had been spared the worst. I don't think anyone realized that some of the Ponchartrain levees had been breached until late Monday or early Tuesday, and for a long time the reports were unconfirmed. It looked as if the worst part of the disaster was in the Biloxi, Ocean Shores, and Gulfport areas at first. Once again, it's going to take awhile for aid requests to get coordinated. Right now the emphasis is on getting the survivors out of NOLA, a massive task, and getting relief supplies into the Mississippi areas. Most of the infrastructure in both areas has been destroyed, so FEMA is facing a nightmare.

On the news tonight, I heard that many companies are asking for help and donating help. I have enough faith in human nature to believe that help will pour in. Caring about others is not an illness; being altruistic and concerned, doing what you can, is no sign of pathology. As poor as we have been, we sent what we could to the Tsunami victims and I know that we will also donate to the victims of Katrina, whatever we can and when we can. Unfortunately, with a disaster of this magnitude, especially in NOLA, it is going to take years to clean up and rebuild, if it is even possible. Many of the people who have lost everything were poor and had no insurance. As a human, I identify with that. I see that it is healthy to give but not become obsessed.

I also agree that there will be some "handwringers," people who have not dealt with their own issues, that will become obsessed with moaning about this disaster and saying how much they care on message boards. After the sensational news is over, they will be back to Natalee Holloway or something like that. I seriously doubt that most of the "handwringers" will donate anything.  

About the looting....For the most part, the NOLA police were sympathetic to the looting for food and water, but not the other goods. Some of those people have been without anything to eat and drink, without medications, in extreme heat and humidity for days. Under those circumstances, taking what is necessary for survival is not a crime. The police are also commandeering items from stores. In an emergency it can be necessary. I don't believe the media should put much if any focus on the looting. It serves no purpose, except maybe to dissuade the kind of potential donors that usually require heavy persuasion to give anything. Anyone with good judgement knows that a disaster of this magnitude will bring out the best in many and the worst in the few. I don't think this needs to be pointed out.

On a happier note, I saw those people that have been trapped in the Superdome waiting on the freeway to get into busses. I was so impressed at how well they were keeping it together. I can't even begin to imagine how frightened, how devastated, how uncomfortable and how lost they must feel. Prayers, materials, physical help, sending money...it all helps.

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Re: Hurricane Katrina Apathy?
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2005, 12:24:39 AM »
The count for the tsunami was more like 300.000.  Some refuse to count the bodies washed out to sea.  56,000 is only the number of buried bodies.  I agree that the Katrina disaster is not on par with the tsunami, but we will be hearing about it for quite some time.  I do think the media is focusing on structural damage and looting because the actual number of dead thus far is much less than what was "anticipated."

I do not sit watching endelessly as the disaster is exploited over and over and over again, but from what I've read in the paper and seen on TV during quick updates, the response is growing as more information becomes available.  The preparation and plans for this disaster were inadequate to say the least.  I am wondering if those people who stayed behind after being told to evacuate, did so because they didn't have the means to leave or because they didn't dare to leave their material possessions behind?  By contrast, the tsunami victims had no warning and because these folks have so few material possessions, when faced with the choice of risking life or possessions, it's not a hard decision to make.

Why isn't the National Guard out there rescuing those folks stranded on rooftops?  Why weren't emergency plans ready to be enacted, this was a predicted grade 5 storm which is the worst we've seen.  Why aren't these questions being asked?  It may have to do with the N of our nation which focuses outside its borders without taking care of the internal problems we face.  When will we ever learn?

  

  

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Re: Hurricane Katrina Apathy?
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2005, 01:12:43 AM »
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I am wondering if those people who stayed behind after being told to evacuate, did so because they didn't have the means to leave or because they didn't dare to leave their material possessions behind?

I have heard people on the scene (in reports) say it was a combination of both.  Some people didn't have the means and others chose to stay to "protect" their homes and property.  I wonder if there isn't another reason--nowhere else to go.  If it were me in similar circumstances, perhaps I would feel safer at home base clinging to the familiar vs. voluntarily becoming a gypsy, not knowing where to go.  I would probably also be in some kind of denial, ignorance or what have you that I could not understand just how devastating this one was going to be. 

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« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2005, 03:40:40 AM »
This is the victims’ moment, not ours. If you were stuck in an ICU needing help, would you want your family to quarrel over who takes` home the apathy trophy?


I guess my point was missed ...  :?
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« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2005, 04:43:48 AM »
SF -

actually, i kind of wondered the same thing at first.......

but i think it is sinking in fast.... it has been on my tv for the last 5 hours and all day, major news productions that are very in depth. nobody is talkign about it on most lists i read...... except on one list, where a member lost everything, and thinks that her cat was killed. i hope that it is safe hiding somewhere becuase cats can be like that.   on that list, the whole list mobilised very quickly and set up a system to find and contact that member and find out how she was. i mean, it was instant. they are taking turns caling her and telling us how she is and supporting her.

i wonder if there were several factors - one the lack of info.. plus maybe, just not quite believing it was really so terrible. i know thats how i felt. i thought, well it was a bad storm but itll be some trees down and all that. i was pretty surprised to see how serious it actually was, and im still surprised.  i dont think it has to be as bad as the tsunami, its a serious disaster.

im not sure we are prepared to see stuff like that right here on the home front......  so once it sinks in...  im going to be very curious to see how people do react to it. i am hoping, that we pull together and rise to it. :}
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Re: Hurricane Katrina Apathy?
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2005, 06:38:12 AM »
nobody is talkign about it on most lists i read...... except on one list, where a member lost everything, and thinks that her cat was killed.

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miss piggy: Some people didn't have the means and others chose to stay to "protect" their homes and property.  I wonder if there isn't another reason--nowhere else to go.

Actually I have known for a long time that if one of these things ever hits where I live, I will be one of the casualties, because shelters refuse to take animals, and I refuse to leave mine. I know several other people who feel the same way. This isn't just "handwringing" either. We had a severe ice storm a few years back and I stayed put until I found somewhere that would take in my four cats along with me. Three days at 40 degrees eating cold food out of cans in an otherwise abandoned apartment complex. I know my cats knew something was wrong, and I really believe they were comforted that I stayed with them.

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marta: ... I felt this to be [t]he most genuine and heartfelt statement in this entire discussion... I like your response because it is neither a sloppy knee jerk reaction, nor does it scapegoat others. Rather, it is the statement of an individual who cared enough to think for herself what it means to be human.
Wow. Did you actually mean to insult and deprecate every other poster on this thread, including the person who started it?
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Re: Hurricane Katrina Apathy?
« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2005, 07:44:34 AM »
thanks for the post sf,

the one thing that sticks in my mind, after this and watching the Sept. 11, special on the National Geographic Channel a couple of weeks ago, is that we don't appear to be as prepared as you think this country would be to deal with catastrophes of great magnitude.  it was quite shocking for me to see the citizens, not the National Guard or Police and Rescue, rafting the elderly and sick over the flood water with inflatable beds.  it's quite disturbing to see that in 2005 in this country where FEMA has only been recently reorganized, into the Office of Homeland security to be able to handle disasters of this proportions, the slow, disorganized response.  it should be frightening to every american.  what if that were your hometown?  with the global warming and terrorrism, who of us is immune? no one.

it makes us look not just apathetic but unprepared.

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« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2005, 08:35:48 AM »

Actually I have known for a long time that if one of these things ever hits where I live, I will be one of the casualties, because shelters refuse to take animals, and I refuse to leave mine. I know several other people who feel the same way. This isn't just "handwringing" either. We had a severe ice storm a few years back and I stayed put until I found somewhere that would take in my four cats along with me. Three days at 40 degrees eating cold food out of cans in an otherwise abandoned apartment complex. I know my cats knew something was wrong, and I really believe they were comforted that I stayed with them.


hey stormy. id be doing the exact same thing.. ive got two lizards and 3 snakes, and now 14 baby snakes>!  although its true that snakes can swim.  i would probably rescue the neighbors cat too if necessary since he spends half the time at my house anyway.  ive got pillowcases tucked away here downstairs in case i ever have to make an emergency quick exit with reptiles. :}}  oh my god - i have a chicken too. i guess she'll go in the cat carrier. i could see myself packing the goldfish in a plastic bag. im a hopeless, hopeless, hopeless case. pray nothing like that happens to anyone, ever again....... those peopel are really suffering.

its pretty horrible looking devastation.

i literally saw footage of a woman tonight on a bridge who had just watched her husband die right in front of her, she was waving at an ambulance and they just drove by. he died while she was holding him, and all they told her was to move his body so it would not start to smell. she was sitting by his body looking like you would expect someone to look in that position. on another bridge people were pointing to where one of the refugees had just jumped off and killed himself. he couldnt take it i gues. people were just walking past his body.  then another man was  upset beucase his wife of 29 years was swept away and he had to go identify her. this is really something.




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Re: Hurricane Katrina Apathy?
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2005, 09:21:43 AM »
Stormy,
Like you, my caring and love of the animals always makes me worry in these kinds of situations.  They showed a video of a sea lion trapped in rubble yesterday and it stabbed my heart.  I certainly feel great misery at watching the human suffering, but I always worry most about those poor defenseless pets and wild animals who have no one to care for them.  Fortunately, there are many animal rescue groups that are very well manned with lots of volunteers who I'm sure will be heading to the area to help with that effort.  If I didn't have a child at home to care for, I would be on my way to help.

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Re: Hurricane Katrina Apathy?
« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2005, 10:25:52 AM »
Stormchild:

No.
I meant applause for Daylily, not insult for Stormchild.
I must admit to being peeved at what I see as scapegoating (I also took care to point out that I myself was not above this) and “look how uncaring all these people around the world are compared to us” tone that I see in some posts in this thread though.

Peeved, yes, insulted, no. When I am peeved, I see that it is my problem, and an innocent one at that. When I feel insulted by you, I make it a problem you intentionally caused for me…..

I am curious as to how the animals behaved during this catastrophe, since most remained unharmed during Tsunami. Does anyone know?

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« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2005, 03:20:48 PM »
For those who wondered why the National Guard or other helping agency wasn't there immediately, it does take time to organize these efforts.  It is not like the US government has a complete manned unit that can be deliverd by aircraft overnight.  I am sure all the agencies are in place, but it still takes time to deploy.  Plus, as you probably know now, many of the roads to these areas are also destroyed.

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« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2005, 03:28:13 PM »

I am curious as to how the animals behaved during this catastrophe, since most remained unharmed during Tsunami. Does anyone know?


i get the feeling wild animals are more tuned into stuff like that.... and probably have their own techniques for getting out of the way.... i ssaw one instance where certain caterpillars had climbed higher in some trees they ussually live in....... possibly flying animals hit the road, and land animals hopefully found someplace to tuck away and stay out of the way. those animals evolved there and are familiar with flood you would think, unlike peoples.

animals are pretty resourcesful. i saw a show about i think it was australias grassfires. it looked pretty devastating and it appeared as though there could be no life left but when  you looked closely you could see thta even very tiny insects were finding places to be safe - deep inside plants, or other places. at these times animals that would normally conflict or even eat each other just cuddled up close to each other inside these places and waited for the fire to burn out. it was pretty amazing.

one thing that struck me - they were saying that one of the reasons this was so extra devastating, was becuase the area's natural wetlands are being destroyed by human development at a rate of one acre every 24  -minutes-. not hours, minutes. they were saying that these wetlands provided a natural sponge to soak up flooding like this and without the wetlands, the flooding was much more severe. sooooooo that is heavy food for thought to me.....  :( :(



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« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2005, 04:00:20 PM »
My response is that I don't watch much t.v. but anytime I have turned it on I see the devestation in New Orleans.  I don't have apathy at all.  I care....I care a lot for any persons....I am a member of freecycle.org and have just this week gave a young mother-to-be baby blankets, crib sheets, stuffed animals and other misc.  items and a family from New Orleans is on their way to our area having lost everything & I am joining in gathering clothing for the family of 6 and asked my husband to take a cothing collection at his work place for them as well.  We can't do everything that we'd want to do, but most Americans and humans in general in my opinion would do what they could to help those in need.  We see the citizens helping on another in New Orleans, we saw it during 9-11 and anytime there is tragedy.
When I had a dying child a friend contacted a local t.v. station and they got a retired group of puppeteers to put on a personal performance for my child for free - b/c my baby LOVED the muppets.
I can't speak for anyone but myself.....and I would do anything I could to help a person in need.... particularly a child or animal.

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« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2005, 04:13:15 PM »
I just want to say that I too have not watched any TV since my ex left and really have missed the terrorist bombings in London (The day he went) and now this, and only yesterday in London a mother chose to jump in front of a train with her baby and five year old child.  My heart and prayers go out to all these people who are suffering disaster in one form or another and only hope that one day we will know the reason behind it all, besides the fact that in times of fear and despair and desperation people become more united......

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Re: Hurricane Katrina Apathy?
« Reply #29 on: September 02, 2005, 06:36:46 AM »
Hi, Sally-- Just wondered if you are feeling better about the response?  It was definitely a little delayed reaction, this pause, and then... a torrent of responses (no pun intended).  I have gotten tons of e-mails about helping, from all sorts of organizations, and every list I am on is talking about it.  So maybe people just needed one more day, maybe to process?  :)  Moveon.org is sponsoring a program to link of stranded folks with homes.  Pretty cool.