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Jazz

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Is this a possible explanation?
« on: January 29, 2004, 06:46:20 AM »
Hello. I posted the story of the probable end of my relationship under the topic 'Rejected' and several posters were kind enough to give me their opinions and support.
As I mentioned, there was always something unusual about the romantic relationship, and then the friendship, between me and this guy. I reacted to him in ways that I had never done with other people;I either felt intensely happy with him, or that I could never be sure where I stood. Sometimes he made me feel wonderful, but at others I seemed to have to twist and turn to keep up with his moods and his contradictory behaviour.
Now that it looks as if the relationship is over, I'm trying to make sense of it, and of how it has ended.
I've been trying to become better-informed, and one possibility that has struck me is that he is a narcissist. I think that there are good people on this site who know a lot about this from first-hand experience, so I wonder if somebody could tell me if the way he has behaved is in line at all with what you might expect from a narcissist.
First, until very recently, and so this is for about 6 years, he moreorless worshipped me, saying that I was his goddess, comparing other people to me unfavourably in every way. He said that his feelings for me were so strong that I made him behave better towards me than he did towards anyone else.
The relationship was as I described earlier;blissful, but I had to attend to all his needs...emotionally, intellectually,sometimes financially, and these needs always had to be met immediately. This was difficult as they often changed daily or even more often than that. Sometimes I would spend ages on the phone trying to sort out something he wanted,but then the next day he didn't want it anymore.He didn't show any awareness of the time and trouble I had gone to.
When, only two or three months ago, I put my foot down about something for the first time, albeit in a non-confrontational way, there was a distinctly chilly response from him.
Things then returned to moreorless normal.Another odd thing was that, talking about other close friends of his,the feelings he expressed for them would often swing from one extreme to the other, in the same conversation, and sometimes in the same sentence.I remember once him telling me about a 'wonderful' friend, then spending the next hour in a real lather telling me how much the same friend got on his nerves.
Now finally, as I posted on the other topic, I asked him to do something that would help meet my own needs in the relationship.I did not mean this to be a threat or an ultimatum, but when he said that he could not do what I asked, I told him, in quite loving terms, that I would have to end the friendship.He got in touch soon after to say that he will never contact me again.

Apart from the bizarre points about the relationship and his behaviour, (and there are too many to mention here, some of which I'm only noticing now we are apart,) I wonder if the way it has finished could also be explained if he is a narcissist. Maybe all his expressions of love, usually made in writing or over the phone, not face-to-face, were only words.He loves playing with language, as well.He also has other friends who could step into my shoes and minister to his needs as I used to;and materially, some of them can give him more than I used to.

So I wonder if anyone could help me with these points:
Do you think it is possible that he might be a narcissist?
If he was a narcissist,and as he has other relationships, would I be a non-person to him now? Would he hate me, miss me, or be completely indifferent to me?
Is it likely that he would do what he said, and never contact me again?
If I contacted him again, what sort of response would I be likely to get?

It's very important to me to try and understand all this. This friendship was very special to me, and at the same time very painful.
I'd be so grateful for any feedback.

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Is this a possible explanation?
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2004, 10:27:45 AM »
Jazz, people are complex, hardly anything about personality is ever black and white. If it will help you to hear it, yes, he sounds like a narcissist BUT that's just one label. You should concentrate on YOU and not him. As Guest said, you're better off without his friendship. Stop asking yourself what his problem is: look at yourself and ask why you continued with such an unsatisfactory relationship. You say it was special to you: it’s not special any more. Life generally isn’t ‘special’ unless you’re a very young child. It’s something we grow out of, like fairy stories and santa claus. If you are seriously hooked up on this ‘specialness’, remember that this is one of the classic N traits. Have you considered therapy? I recommend the first of the ten stories in a book called “Love’s Executioner and other tales of psychotherapy” by Irvin Yalom. Consider if you want to live your life like the woman in that story.

Jazz

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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2004, 03:22:35 PM »
Hello Portia,
Thanks for your reply. Your questions are thought-provoking and may well point up some issues that I need to look at in the long-term. I will reply to them fully but can't at the moment as I am working.
In the meantime, and although I hear what you say, I still feel a strong need for any answers to the questions I asked at the end of my earlier post today. If anybody could give me the benefit of their own experience for example,in relation to what I have  I would really appreciate it.
Thanks again.

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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2004, 03:37:46 PM »
Jazz, relationships are about give and take (amongst other things). You were ‘given’ quite a lot under your ‘Rejected’ post, particularly by Jacmac who was really rooting for you. Now you’ve started a new post and appear to be appealing to others on this message board to advise you. How do think that makes Jacmac feel? Perhaps a little rejected herself? Please realise that we all read various posts and we contribute where we think we can help. We join this board and we receive advice: we try to act on that advice and we try to help others in return. I’m sorry to say this Jazz but you have taken quite a lot from this board and there’s nothing coming back in return. Others may disagree: this is a free-speech board. Jazz, you need to do some work yourself on this. Buy/borrow some books. If anyone could have said more by now, they would have. You need to think about this. Be brave, face yourself. P

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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2004, 05:46:04 PM »
Jazz,

Yeah he sounds narcissistic to me. Narcissists aren't devoid of feelings. They miss people. But they also replace people quite quickly with new sources of supply. If he is a narcissist, you are still better off without him. If you were back together, you'd just have to cater to him again.
I think the trick here is to learn how to live without this guy. You will eventually wonder why you invested so much time with such a selfish person.

P.S. You don't owe the board or jarmac anything. You've already thanked everyone and that's enough.

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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2004, 07:27:12 PM »
Hi Jazz,
It sounds to me that he's a narcissist; he has not reciprocated your friendship, he has used it and you. Reading between your very well written lines, you seem desperate to understand his way of thinking. You'll never understand a narcissist. The best you can do is understand that he has a problem and you need to find what your place was in all of this, from your perspective. He may be missing you, but only because he no longer has his Jazz running around after him. I too was the one that did all the running around for my soon-to-be exN husband for 25 years. He probably will hate you for abandoning him. (You didn't, but that will be how he construes it). Be prepared for gossip and lies that may reach your ears from other sources. Who knows if he will try and contact you again? Be prepared once again, but hope that he doesn't. They are good manipulators, as you know. And I would suggest that you don't contact him. Perhaps you knew subconsciously that something wasn't right when you put forward your request that he not be late. A test almost. You got your answer. What I find most telling is that he didn't even attempt to accomodate you; just a flat 'won't do it'.
It's only when a relationship has ended do we see and remember things and start putting them into perspective. It's a continuing process, but one day you get to the point where you can let go and your life starts to become 'yours' again.
Karin.

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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2004, 01:49:19 AM »
bye

rosencrantz

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Is this a possible explanation?
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2004, 08:35:17 AM »
Hi Jazz - LOL  I feel you're telling us that you put your hand in the fire and it hurt but the flames were so pretty that really perhaps you should do it again!!!

I guess it's a free world and if you want to it's up to you.  But I want you to understand that by the time you start to realise that the smell of burning flesh is yours, you'll have lost the free will that would allow you to take your hand out again!

Yes, he's probably a narcissist.

Yes, he treated you like a commodity, slave, servant, etc and it felt good being needed and being wanted and having a purpose and being kept busy (with no time to think about your own problems).

If he's a narcissist he never was anything but manipulative towards you which suggests that he was always indifferent to you and so that won't have changed.  The only thing he will miss is what he can get out of you that he can't manipulate out of someone new.

You ask, Is it likely that he would do what he said, and never contact me again?  

Be grateful and hope that he keeps to his word!

You ask, If I contacted him again, what sort of response would I be likely to get?  

Depending on his need of the moment, either something spiteful and hurful or something manipulative to get you meeting his needs again on a more regular basis.

Narcissists are addictive.

Don't inhale!!  ;-)

Hugs and good luck
R
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