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Your Worth $14 US!
« on: February 13, 2004, 06:03:38 PM »
Recently, I read that the average size adult, if broken down to water, chemical and mineral components is worth about $14 US. At the time it seemed so funny. But something worked away at a deeper level. If that's our physical value, then what's our metaphysical value. What are we worth? Do we perceive/regard our value to be what we perceive other's perceive/regard our value to be? The person with NPD certiainly operates this way we, the 'victims of N's' operate this way as well.

It's said that person with NPD was somehow 'damaged' in their development as a child, and the same thing is said about the 'victims of N's' as well. So theoretically, that makes us different sides of the same coin.

Everyone has narcissistic traits to some degree, but it becomes a disorder when the person systematically violates others human rights in recognisable pattern.

This is an extremely delicate reality/aspect of life. The person with NPD has a certain set of values, well one value really,'ME". Or 'WIIFM', what's in it for me. The person who's always been the 'victim' has a set of value's too, 'ME' and 'WIIFM'.

We respond to N's, phone them, remember their birthdays, send them flowers, meet their needs, take them back etc. Why? Because we want them to love us. Why, because we place a value on them. And then, if they are emotionally incapable of responding the way we want them to, we feel worthless. So actually it's about us, and how they 'make' us feel! And if they don't love us, we perceive we have no, or have lost our, value. But that is a false perception.

Just because they don't recognise or respect our value, doesn't mean that our value doesn't exist.

If we accept/believe what they project, then we are interpreting our sense of self-worth, our value from others, just like the N. And then we get hurt, react, run away, retaliate, drink, drug etc, and then we reflect back what we perceive they projected. An ugliness.

We 'victims' can express serious 'N traits' too, but it is often in a giving way, and not a taking way like the person with NPD. Yin & Yang.

It's very interesting to read about bullying in primary schools. Not all children are bullies. And interestingly, not all children are affected by bullies. Bullies are random, until they find the weak ones and then they target them. Something in the bullied child made the child susceptible to being bullied. Often bullied children don't speak up. And unfortunately if you ever have to help a child through a period where they are being bullied, it usually comes down to exremely fundamental flaws in their early development stage, which unfortunately eventually connected with what they perceive they are worth, their value. Same goes for the bully. A common characteristic is that they themselves have usually been  bullied.

Maybe one day the evidence will show that bullies are just little people showing early signs of NPD. It wouldn't be a surprise to learn that children who bully now, if untreated, will grow up to be adults with NPD. But it's too easy to get paranoid and see one under every rock.

If we begin to recognise and appreciate our own value, realistically we all have so much to offer. The amount of insight on this board is a good example.

We are of significant value and worth, each one of us. More even than the fanciest of cars you could imagine. How would you take care of that if you owned it. And you own something far more valuable, you own you. You are your own private property.

If you don't believe you're worth a therapist's time, you most definitely are, therapy is simply their occupation, this is about your quality of life.

If you think your opinions are worthless, they're not, they're yours.

If you feel neglected or have neglected yourself, put a stop to it, take care of yourself, you are your own responsibility.

If you feel you need to change your life, you can, it's your life and right, and you're worth it.

If you think you can't survive, you can, you have to, there's only one you.

TTFN (Ilove Tigger, He's so N in some way)

Take care of yourself

pp

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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2004, 06:21:43 PM »
We respond to N's, phone them, remember their birthdays, send them flowers, meet their needs, take them back etc. Why?

because caring for others and seeing their suffering and maladaptive behavior and still aiding and accepting them is a big part of who WE are. And even if we haven't learned to do this yet in a more 'boundaried' way, ie. to protect and love ourselves first, we are learning every day.

I don't buy into this 'codependent' label. Was Christ codependent? Ghandi, Luther King, people who have sacrificed their own lives for others...?

If being a decent caring person is who you are that's nothing to feel bad about. It's what you learned through your pain, and doubtless the world is a better place because you are in it and able to educate yourself through something not many people understand, and maybe to help others in turn.

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rosencrantz

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« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2004, 05:46:30 AM »
Hi pp - you have my total admiration for both these posts.  Bravo!

You very neatly made the point that the great self-sacrificing figures do indeed self-sacrifice for the greater good of humanity and not just for one individual who demands everything of us - or even lots of individuals.  

Self-sacrifice ruled my life.  But self-sacrifice doesn't pay the bills!  I found ways round it in the finish but it took me decades to get there.  If you ARE smart enough to know that you must get your own needs met in order to survive, it makes you devious, even if you are honest (as in 'I need this but I can't give it to myself, so will you give it to me instead')

I found it quite impossible to change - but when I did start to find some keys to that particular prison door (in a quite unusual place), it opened the door on understanding just where the self-sacrifical training had come from (an N mother).  Pandora's Box.

There must have been some quirk in my personality that made me choose that particular route in response to my mother's needs/demands tho.  Others (like my own son) would simply rebel.

I don't recommend either route as neither helps us to have fulfilled and happy lives.

And the world NEEDS us - needs each and every one of us with our own special 'who we are'.  We all have something special and unique to give to the world.  It is sad that so many of us have such difficulty uncovering it.  And a scandal that so many are too damaged even to look.

You are absolutely right pp that Ns and 'victims of Ns' are two sides of the same coin.  There but for the grace of God...  

But always remember that if God gave us the grace of  humility and the ability to recognise the humanity of wo/man, He never expected us to pay such a high price for it - and He's probalby terribly disappointed that we keep on both self-sacrificing our own lives away and enabling the Ns to 'N' their lives away!!!
R
"No matter how enmeshed a commander becomes in the elaboration of his own
thoughts, it is sometimes necessary to take the enemy into account" Sir Winston Churchill

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