Author Topic: Do You believe that one can heal from abuse?  (Read 9607 times)

penelope

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Re: Do You believe that one can heal from abuse?
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2006, 08:55:46 PM »
hi moonlight,

I guess I believe both:  abuse cannot be totally healed, and we can heal ourselves.  I like to think that for some reason, the abuse I've been through was for a reason - so there is a positive in there somewhere.  It's allowed me to be more sensitive, it's given me my current insight into the world and people, it's made me thankful for what I have...probably so much more.

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bean

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Re: Do You believe that one can heal from abuse?
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2006, 11:49:22 PM »
I guess the wallowing to me is when you feel like shit, but that's what you are used to and more or less satisfied with. I have a friend whom I have known for 15 years. She has been unhappy all that time. In the beginning it was because she had been molested, then she wasn't sure about her sexuality, then she started seriously drinking... then she met a guy... had a baby... and you know what? Now she hates her life because there's not enough money and babies are diffiicult and on and on. As soon as something gets good, she finds that something new is wrong with her life... I guess that's what I mean by wallowing. And it is also what I did before I hit recovery. I had a pity party every day. I knew I was being ridiculous, and yet in some way I enjoyed it. The entire universe was about ME ME ME.
So maybe not wallowing is getting outside of yourself. Let's say you are in a hole and you lie on the floor and say, "Oh my God, this hole is terrible. Poor me." And you cry and cry. Or you fall in the whole and you are STUCK, but you keep trying to scale the walls. Maybe the difference is hope?????
OK, enough babbling. I hope to someone somewhere this makes sense...
Love, Beth
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Re: Do You believe that one can heal from abuse?
« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2006, 01:23:14 AM »




Moon,

You know I believe in healing.  You and Beth are my poster children for healing ;8);   ;8);


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moonlight52

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Re: Do You believe that one can heal from abuse?
« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2006, 02:54:21 AM »
Hi tt and everyone,

How beautiful each soul on this website is.......................... 8)

Learning and becoming stronger is so good along with gaining wisdom .
I have found I still get to keep that sense of awe about the world and keep the childlike wonder.
And hug the one that was hurt.That little one I understand and am holding her hand while I allow myself to grow up.
I am being a good parent to me and letting myself remember my mom that was loving and  kind to me.

But I feel the door has opened for a greater way to be I am not afraid and I am living in the now.
Grateful for every dirty dish and sock.
I just got done sewing for my little moonlet some jeans she wanted altered.

 
All I want in the world is to be strong for my loved ones and for me too.
I know healing happens because I have not repeated the abuse done to me.
that's healing.

Making healthy choices every day being responsible for self and my loved ones.Some days it is easier than others.
This new way of being and thinking has been a lot of change in the fast track.
My family likes me stronger my n does not.I do not call him but he calls me I am kind and I do love him
But I do not understand him.

You know being kind helping others and  looking around and being thankful are things that are happening .
Thanks to all the help here I am learning so much.

I have been a hermit while my arm and tummy heal.
So much is changing The whole way I look at the world We can choose LOVE every day.

SO MUCH LOVE TO YOU TT

LOVE TO ALL
MoonLight
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Re: Do You believe that one can heal from abuse?
« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2006, 12:10:27 PM »
Hi Beth,

  For me, it becomes wallowing when the focus is on blame... whether that's blaming others or myself. Blame and shame just gobble up hope and obstruct vision so thoroughly, it is paralyzing. When I can stop blaming and work on keeping my mind on things good and right and true, then I'm on the increase.

Moon,

All I want in the world is to be strong for my loved ones and for me too.
I know healing happens because I have not repeated the abuse done to me.
that's healing.


That definition works for me.

Love,
Hope

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Re: Do You believe that one can heal from abuse?
« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2006, 06:20:23 AM »

I was wondering how many people have felt that their life has improved after working on abuse issues ?

And how many feel that no matter what abuse can never be healed and those that say they have improvement are in denial?

I am asking because I believe I have had improvement in my life and I rely on my husband and doctor to tell me what they see.

Also I am asking because of the kindness of the hearts of the people here I know I can trust.

It really depends on what you mean by healing.

If you mean, can you ever be who you would have been without the abuse, then I think no.   Neither can we ever go back to being the person we once were, before all this happened.  In my case that person is impossible to reconstruct, because an Nmum is the most damaging of all, I think.  Fortunately for me, I had an older brother, who probably saved what there is of me that is whole today, all those years ago, for me to build on.

But to me, healing is something other than this.  The Oracle at Delphi had an inscription over the door, which read "Know thyself" and I think when we go for t, what we are doing is the same as the ancients who went to Delphi.  We are seeking to learn something of ourselves, and with each piece of knowledge, comes a small piece of our healing.

In a good t situation, what is healed is denial, ignorance (in the sense of not being aware) and boundary weakness.  The perps lose their power when we learn what weapons they use, and how they use them.  We gain knowledge, while they keep on using the same old tactics, which no longer work.

I think the Buddhists are right when they work towards detachment.  Each one of us has been caught in a massive spider's web, some of us from the day we were born.  T helps us to cut the strings one by one.  If we still see the Ns, they carry on weaving, and trying to trap us again, but if we are strong, the glue on their web no longer sticks to us.  Bit by bit, we cut ourselves free.  And true recovery, I think, is when we stand apart from the spider's web, and can look at it and no longer feel drawn to it as safe and comfortable.  The N wants us all to remain alive, but stuck, so that they can suck our life from us, as a spider does with a fly.

Sorry for the rather jucky image.

Anyway, healing is being detached, and it happens slowly.  And I would also say, the best people to help us achieve this healing are those who have very powerful spiders web cutting strategies of their own, and who are happy to lend them to us.  People here, that is.   :D

As an alternative image, think of the potential of anyone's life being a piece of fine cloth, ready to make into a garment.  The N comes along, and destroys that cloth, primarily because of jealousy.  Then what we do in t is say, ok, the fine cloth can no longer be reconstructed, but neither can this valuable resource be thrown away.  So we can either make a mishmash, which is survival of the most basic kind, or we can find someone who is skilled in psychology, and work towards finding some patterns, and make the most intricate, most beautiful work of art that anyone has ever seen.  Maybe it is a tapestry, or maybe a patchwork quilt.  But piece by piece, and bit by bit, we create something unique, and something beautiful, from the ravages of the N scissors.

The reason you cannot see it yet, moonlight, is that you are working from the back of the quilt.  When you hold it up, all you see is stiches, and seams, and bits of thread sticking out.  But what other people see is a gradually building whole, with light and shade, beauty and warmth.  Lots of warmth.  And when it is finished, it will be big enough to wrap around the whole world.

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Re: Do You believe that one can heal from abuse?
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2006, 06:22:12 AM »

Well, one thing I am learning is that my life was never as bad as I thought it was.  

Mine was far worse than I thought it was.   :lol:

I think I still have no idea, really, how bad it was, or is.   :?

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Re: Do You believe that one can heal from abuse?
« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2006, 06:33:13 AM »

Somebody give me some feed back about "wallowing" v. "stuck."  I'm wondering what you think about it?


One of the things I do from time to time is paint.  There are times when I look at the materials and such, and I can't even imagine being able to do anything with them.  There are other times when they call to me, and first of all I pick up a brush and touch it, and then I look at the paint tubes, and think, maybe ....  And there are (very rare these days) the days when I have to paint.  I simply have to.  My mind switches off, and the whole world is about colour, and about making colours sing together.  I can spend hours and hours absorbed in creating something, which is never quite what I mean it to be, but is something of its own.  Like with a child, you do not create the child you want, you carry the child you are given.

So all of that is a very long way of saying, if you change the view on this, and recognise that all creativity demands a gestation period, then that being stuck is not being stuck at all.  Maybe instead it is the slow, silent, invisible creation of something new.

There may be some artists who sit back and say, the muse has not inspired me, and do not try.  But for most, writer's block or whatever it is called when you are an artist but cannot paint, is a part of creativity.  And after the very longest of these, when I personally am most in despair of ever painting again, what then happens is that when I do start again, it is a new style, or a completely new subject, or the same subject only far more detailed, or accomplished. 


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Re: Do You believe that one can heal from abuse?
« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2006, 06:33:57 AM »
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The reason you cannot see it yet, moonlight, is that you are working from the back of the quilt.  When you hold it up, all you see is stiches, and seams, and bits of thread sticking out.  But what other people see is a gradually building whole, with light and shade, beauty and warmth.  Lots of warmth.  And when it is finished, it will be big enough to wrap around the whole world.

October this is beautiful, a positive view of the veil that veils us and you’re right. All I see is stitches and seams and a botch-job holding itself together (although it feels a bit stronger now).

Mine was far worse than I thought it was.
Me too.

I think I still have no idea, really, how bad it was, or is.
Really? Do you mean in comparison to ‘normal’ (loving, well-intentioned) families? I’m getting an idea of how bad it was for me, but I’m not sure it helps after a certain er level. It helps me to stay away from them and not feel bad for staying away either. They just don’t help me in any way, except as validation of the past as I now see it…on a day to day level, too much of them would just make me sad and probably somehow unmoving, like a statue. Odd image? Can't really explain...

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Re: Do You believe that one can heal from abuse?
« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2006, 06:45:41 AM »
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The reason you cannot see it yet, moonlight, is that you are working from the back of the quilt.  When you hold it up, all you see is stiches, and seams, and bits of thread sticking out.  But what other people see is a gradually building whole, with light and shade, beauty and warmth.  Lots of warmth.  And when it is finished, it will be big enough to wrap around the whole world.

October this is beautiful, a positive view of the veil that veils us and you’re right. All I see is stitches and seams and a botch-job holding itself together (although it feels a bit stronger now). 


To me you look to be made from very fine silks, Portia.  Very soft and fine to the touch, and apparently fragile, but really stronger than steel.  I don't think I see any botching at all; from this side the work is so fine that you cannot even see the stitches.   :D


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Mine was far worse than I thought it was.
Me too.

I think I still have no idea, really, how bad it was, or is.
Really? Do you mean in comparison to ‘normal’ (loving, well-intentioned) families? I’m getting an idea of how bad it was for me, but I’m not sure it helps after a certain er level. It helps me to stay away from them and not feel bad for staying away either. They just don’t help me in any way, except as validation of the past as I now see it…on a day to day level, too much of them would just make me sad and probably somehow unmoving, like a statue. Odd image? Can't really explain...


I think what I mean is that I have done some work towards what happened, and have some awareness of it, but there are still layers of cloud in the way, protected by dissociation and fuzzy memory.  I am not even going to begin to find out what is there, until I have the right kind of support, but there are years of clarity, and then later on several years of fog.  I can see the childhood years well enough, even though they were bad, and I can see (I think) most of the bad times, but the marriage years have gone behind a big cloud.

It may be that I never need to revisit those times, or it may be necessary - I don't know what the t will suggest, if and when I ever get that far.  But I think that until we find out what Ns are, we do not know how bad our lives are, and even years down the line, something protects us from knowing it all. 

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Re: Do You believe that one can heal from abuse?
« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2006, 07:27:42 AM »
I like the image of strong silk... :oops: too kind October….thank you (that image will probably stay with me now, so really, thank you.. 8)). If you see silk what do I see? The honest first image was of intricate white, flowing lace, patterns interleaved, softly blowing. There are holes, gaps, in the design and if I put my finger to one of them I realise that there’s another layer of lace behind, and another: I’d have to go through a maze of overlapping holes and fabric, trying to find a way through oh! And that’s me, going in and wanting to know more all the time….a bit invasive I think! I’ll stand back and admire the shifting shapes and patterns instead. 8)

Our brains protect ‘us’ that’s for sure I think (I do think our brains are us haha ‘Brains R Us’ - sorry). Do we need to know it all? I don’t know. What does my brain want? To survive I guess and maybe knowing it all, feeling the impact and dealing with it, well – too much reality is bad for mental health, true. Depressive realism. The past, the past holds keys to today, but the reality of the past – can it ever be experienced today with full force? Can today’s brain really process the past as it was? I don’t think so, really. It can come to an understanding of why we feel the way we do, but I don’t think experiencing it will help deal with the effects.

That old ‘as if’ programme. If we deliberately change our current thoughts from: I feel excluded and terrified in this situation because of x, to: I feel excluded and terrified and that feeling is wrong, not appropriate, so I’m going to actively override it…..you know what I mean. The past tells us why, but it doesn’t tell us how to be today. Today is the sum of everything before, but everything before can be a huge hindrance.

Today I’m going to be someone different! I’m going to walk along the street with long strides, I’m going to take up more space than I usually do. If someone approaches from the other direction, I’ll see if they make a move to accommodate my passage before I make a move. And if they don’t, I won’t and I’ll see what happens next. Risky!

That kind of thing. Doing the ‘alien jump’. If an alien suddenly landed inside your body, what would they think and do? How would it feel, what would they be curious to do? (Then you do a jump and become the alien.) You know, dumb stuff, but sometimes it works. The brain can be easily fooled and it’s okay to fool it once in a while (especially if you’re doing it to your own brain, better you than someone else).

I think we all have closed cabinets in our mental filing systems. They won’t budge for a good reason and that’s protecting the stability of the organism. If or when the brain is ready to look inside itself, it will, I kind of believe that.

So how do you feel about CBT October? Seriously.   

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Re: Do You believe that one can heal from abuse?
« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2006, 09:01:29 PM »
Moon, living here and now

October, germinating, creating

Portia, walking a lace maze

beautiful...

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Re: Do You believe that one can heal from abuse?
« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2006, 09:35:09 AM »
Hops enjoying the walk around and the views?  8)

October,

just stumbled across this site and i thought of you-hooooo:
http://socialanxiety.factsforhealth.org/

moonlight52

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Re: Do You believe that one can heal from abuse?
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2006, 03:57:42 PM »
WOW,



I just am here and now the view is AWE INSPIRING and thank you to the kind ones here .

The Oracle of Delphi is some great interest to me.Know thy self the kinder I am to self the stronger my boundaries are and the more I can detach but in a supportive wayfor self and loved ones.

Lovely silk lace yes beautiful

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Re: Do You believe that one can heal from abuse?
« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2006, 03:46:46 PM »
Hops enjoying the walk around and the views?  8)

October,

just stumbled across this site and i thought of you-hooooo:
http://socialanxiety.factsforhealth.org/

Do you experience intense fear during social interactions? Do you avoid speaking in class or dining with co-workers? Do you start trembling and sweating at the thought of attending a party? If so, you may be suffering from social anxiety disorder, also known as social phobia.

Funny thing is, none of that is true of me.  I don't feel fear of being with people, I am an excellent public speaker, I am not afraid of parties. 

The reason I avoid them is that if I do any of that stuff, I get flashbacks lasting several hours and preventing me from sleeping, sometimes until four or five, and then the next day I am wrecked.  And then the next night the same, sometimes for weeks.  I get flashbacks mostly from social stuff, but sometimes even from message board stuff.  Anything at all. 

But I looooooooooove people, and love being with them.  Just can't do it too much, because the cost is too high.  Not every single time, but if the anxiety is high enough, then it happens.   :?

However, many thanks for the link, Portia, I will read more.