Author Topic: When will the weather clear?  (Read 3431 times)

pennyplant

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Re: When will the weather clear?
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2006, 02:34:49 AM »
Hopsy, that was one of the first things that confounded me about my N-co-worker.  I watched him do that at work to my supervisor.  And I was not the only person who said something to him about her growing feelings for him.  And more than once.  And I was mystified as to why he would continue to lead her on.

And like someone's quote here, teartracks I think, about "if they'll do it with you, they'll do it to you," little did I know, he would go on to do that to me.  And others.  He picked better with the others.  They seem to not mind that kind of game.  Or maybe they like to play it too.  But I do mind.  And I don't like it.

I always wonder what it might be like to be his wife.  I know she has a serious health problem, chronic ulcerative colitis.  I can't help but think it is stress related.  And that a major source of her stress must be him.

It boggles the mind what they are willing to do, what cost they are willing for others to pay.

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Re: When will the weather clear?
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2006, 09:57:33 PM »
I'm glad you made the distinction between a true personality disorder and mere personality traits.

The short answer is no I don't think change is possible.
However the long answer is, in those rare instances where someone has been made self aware enough, I believe they can modify their behavior somewhat. Usually not significantly and it is only behavior modification, not true change of the underlying pathology. If they are able to change significantly then its an open question whether they had a true disorer to begin with.
Far more common of course are those who are incapable of modifying their behavior any more than is necessary to stay out of jail or the morgue, although even those who cannot so restrain themselves outnumber those who can actually change their behavior enough to make it possible to live with them.
And the most common of all are undoubtedly those who feign repentance and pretend to change as a means to sucker their victims back for another round of bloodletting.

That said, I do believe in miracles, but find them to be few and far between.


Thanks, I think I agree, though I am ever hopeful too; yes, it does seem to be a rather difficult thing for Ns to achieve true empathy, though I think a lot of the problems are like any abusiveness: habits supported by cultural norms.

Narcissistic behaviour seems to be almost admired and encouraged....

My ex seems to be doing well but no way can he change the pattern of relating to me, his behaviour is different but he still doesn't hear or see me. I gave up ages ago that he would be able to. If he can work on the things which influence and affect our son that's the limit of my expectations and involvement.

I do like his intersting side to his personality though, and he's a lot kinder and more charming with others, so I daresay it won't be long before he attracts a new partner. Be interesting to see how that goes.

I'm hopeful, but cancer is nothing if not relentless.

I'll think of you in my prayers.

Hope is a source of infinite strength from a small spot within:

Hope is the thing with feathers
That perches in the soul,
And sings the tune--without the words,
And never stops at all,

And sweetest in the gale is heard;
And sore must be the storm
That could abash the little bird
That kept so many warm.

I've heard it in the chillest land,
And on the strangest sea;
Yet, never, in extremity,
It asked a crumb of me.


( Emily Dickinson )

Take care Mud.

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Re: When will the weather clear?
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2006, 01:50:43 PM »
It has been sometime since I have been able to log on and alot has happened since.

We went away on a trip which included a running event for him and on the way home he got a speeding ticket.  He rambled on about previous tickets that he had received years ago, mind you before we married I had received my one and only ticket and after we were married he felt that I should look for insurance for us since I was the reason that our car insurance was so high.  Well, I remembered that he had told me that he had never received a speeding ticket so I asked "Why did you tell me that you never had a speeding ticket?", he took that as I called him a liar and was going to stop the car two hours from home so that I could start my life over since that is what I wanted.  Typical.

We went to counselling two days later, he told us that we need to start working on repairing the damage that has been done and how to resolve our conflicts.  I rescheduled the appointment for the next week and he cancelled it and told me that he didn't know if he wanted to be married.

I then moved next door to our rental house that he has not finished getting ready.  I told him that I refuse to be continually treated this way and will not be staying in the same house as him until he knows what he wants.

I returned to the counsellor and found out that he has since been back to see him.  It seems as though I can trust the counsellor to help me through this.  He understands where I am at and even said that he will try to keep the tensions between the two of us to a minimal as he see's where my H is at in his control issues.  I explained that I feel trapped due to the lack of finiancial stability that I have at this point due to his excessive $ habits.  The C also stated that he felt I should save my monies because of the situation that we are in.

Thank goodness, someone I can trust.

Get this, we haven't communicated and I get an email from him asking me to go on a date with him and two other couples, who I don't know on a motorcycle vacation over the weekend.  I told him I was busy.

Just standing my ground!!!!

Thanks for letting me vent.