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Hopalong

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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2007, 10:32:45 PM »
Dear Beth,

I recommend we all gather in a room with your mother and fart in unison until we are a tuba symphony. THAT'LL drown her out.

I like you and am not a sicko. (This week.)

Therefore, other people who like you are probably just as terrific as I am. (She said, modestly.)

You have to admit I have impeccable logic.

PHOOEY on her petty jealous competitive belittling b******t!

Definitely time to drown that woman out. She's yammered loud enough long enough in your head.

HUSH UP, Beth's mother! You just hush up!

Peace and quiet (and self-cuddling) in the head of Beth.

hugs,
Hops
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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2007, 10:34:32 PM »
Hi Daylily,

I just want to tell you what a magnificent post you wrote to Steve.

A wonderful, put-your-heart-in-it and put-it-to-USE kind of message.

It helped me too. Thanks!

Hops
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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2007, 10:43:53 PM »
Hopsy,
The truth is, there are so many wonderful and amazing people in my life... And you are among the best of 'em :) It's just erasing the tape... as axa said...

Steve... are you still out there????? Your topic gave us all some healing. Did it help you? Are you ready to talk more???
Love, Beth
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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2007, 08:11:36 PM »
Steve,
I am so sorry that you were treatly so hatefully and not recognized for your academic and professional achievements. I spent many years of my career working at universities (in administration, not academics) and I know that for you to be offered a tenure-track position so quickly means that your department chair and mentors HAD A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESPECT FOR YOU AND GREAT HOPES FOR YOUR FUTURE CONTRIBUTIONS IN YOUR FIELD OF STUDY.  I know that, and I say "congratulations" and "pooey" on your father.

I have recently also been replaying in my mind some bad, horrible, scenes with my Nmother. Sometimes I barely sleep for many nights  as I relive the shame and hate and confusion. Maybe I have an advantage since I live alone and don't bother anyone - but here's what I do:  I write "affirmations" on paper in big red magic marker and stick these up on the wall in my hallway.  Sometimes there may be as many as 50 or 60 pieces of paper attached to the walls and hall closet doors. They say "it wasn't your fault," "there was nothing wrong with you - you were normal," "you are not responsible for your mother's happiness," and sometimes they refer to specific incidents - I re-write those incidents to have my mother saying the things that I imagine normal loving parents would say. Sometimes I re-write them to say what I wish I had had the wisdom to say when I was 12.

I read these affirmations in the morning, walking down the hall while I'm brushing my teeth. I read one or two aloud as I walk to the bathroom. I read several pages of them before I leave for work. I read every single page at night, before I go to bed. I cry at first, but I find myself able to sleep almost the day I write them. After several days, the "instant replay" of the particular instance that haunted me stops playing. Even months later it is as though that instance has healed. I don't know how long it will take me to get through 43 years worth of instances, but this has helped me from that constant replay, the if onlys, the why mes, and the how could you have done this to someone you loveds that keep me awake.

Hugs to you, Steve. Have you thought of returning to your academic pursuits? Then we can call you "Dr. Steve." It's not too late, and the world needs brilliant minds in our universities to advance our thinking, improve our lives. There is no better career than one dedicated to discovery and the education of young minds!

JL

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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2007, 08:19:57 PM »
Hi Jayelle,

I like your idea of the affirmations.  It seems to me that I'm not as far along in this process because I wouldn't even know where to start.  It takes a lot of courage, in my opinion, to write these things down and then read them outloud.  I'm not sure why I'm not ready for that yet.  It seems like it would help a lot.  Some things I have talked about with my husband.  And some things I have posted about here.  It took a lot out of me those times.  It is really hard to do what you're doing.  It's a good goal for me to have to maybe write some affirmations of my own.  But I can tell I have some guilt still.  About "accusing" I guess.  I know what should have been done for me and wasn't.  But I think I must still have some fear in there.  Irrational fear, of course, since nobody but me would read my affirmations, stories, and should have saids.

I want to try to do what you are doing.  It seems like it would help.

Pennyplant
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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2007, 06:09:40 AM »
Hey Steve,

It's so hard isn't it when you are desperate for recognition from the one person who isn't going to give it.  I bet so many other people congratulated you and told you what an achievement it was but if you are anything like me none of those would have made any difference as you would have been waiting for that praise that you were so longing for.

At 44 I am now finally realising that I am not going to get it.  I am a trained psych nurse, have worked my way up the career ladder and am now working as a commissioner.  This is a massive achievement but ny Nmums responses have never been what I would have wished.  She believes psych nurses are 'the lowest of the low'  She believes I chose to work with schizophrenia because....  are you ready for this... 'It is demonic... and that would make me feel at home'...  When I enthusiastically try to explain commissioning to her she tells me it is much too difficult to understand....

Somehow youu need to get to a place where you do it for you..  I have been through therapy and have just started a course of anti depressants.  Do what you can..  anything and everything.  I know it is hard but do it a little at a time...  You are 43..  that is young.  I suffer from feelings that I have wasted my life being this way..  but I am realising that I would rather start truly living it now for me than just write it off...

You are worth so much more than this one person's opinion..  he will not do anything to change but you can...

Lots and lots of love and support,

Spyralle x

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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2007, 08:25:43 AM »
Steve,

The posts to you have been so much of what I also want to say.  The sad thing is that only you can stop that negative voice and the wonderful thing is that YOU have the power to stop that voice.  I recall how difficult it was for me to look in the mirror and SEE who was there.  Not the ugly big eared stupid b.... my mother told me but a frail and sad person who really wanted to be seen.  To be seen and heard by the world I am learning I need to see and hear me, otherwise it does not work.

Like Spyarelle I have discounted the "good" voices and clung to the Bad in the hope something would change.  My Nparents died and never acknowledged me in any loving way.  They did not know how.  They could not and would not do it.  It is difficult painful work but there is life.  Come on, Dr Steve.

My sister went to a psychic (sic) after my mother died.  The message she got from mother was that she never understood what life was about and now in the afterlife knows that it is about spiritual growth.  Well, for the first time in my life I agreed with my mother and she was DEAD!!!!

Keep posting

axa

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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2007, 11:14:56 AM »
I agree with your mother too Axa...  I have had a similar experience and now I am pretty sure that's what we are here for..  That in itself has helped to focus me and make me more determined..

Spyralle x

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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2007, 12:17:18 AM »
Steve:

While reading your post, I got the stabbing sensation in my throat to scream and cry all at once.  I did not know there was another person who had been harmed on their life journey similar to me.  I just discovered this board.

Truly I hope you can love and cherish yourself and pick yourself up and move forward.

I am 53 and have worked entry level jobs for a long time, although I was a talented artist, specializing in portrait drawing and painting.  My college art professor told me I had more power in my little finger than most people have in their whole body.  But mother told me that was not a real profession and I should find a real profession like nursing.  Mother let me know from the beginning that my thoughts and feelings had no real value, so don't even waste my breath. 

My earliest memory was her response to my painful experiences in first grade when I was being teased because of the clothes I wore.  'They're just jealous.'  The clothes I wore were free clothes that someone gave her - nothing wrong with that- but what about, 'what can we do about this?'

No one could ever imagine the hundreds of times I have been interrupted.  If a friend is over when I answer a phone call, they always know if mother called, because in the 5, 10, 15 minute phone call, all I say is Hello and Goodbye (I am not exaggerating)....because, again, I do not have anything of real value to say.  Once I thought I could have a leg amputated and my parents would not ever know about it.  They never ask about me and they don't give me the opportunity to talk- but they've got that "I love you" down pat.  If I am in the room with them, they do not look at me - they look at the wall while they are talking - they are not really talking to me - they are talking 'at' something.

She started picking my friends as a teenager because she had read my diaries and decided who she wanted to pick because I was incapable of making that kind of choice.  (I burned my diaries, by the way, with that stabbing sensation in my throat)

As I grew older my opportunities for relationships passed me by because I had no idea how to respond to anyone showing interest in me as a person.  I knew how to have fun, but that's about it.  My anxieties grew and I began to medicate with alcohol and Valium, and made a lot of regrettable choices during that time.  My parents even managed to have me committed to a mental institution for a few days because they convinced the state that I was suicidal and depressed.  Yes, they came to visit and told me how much they loved me. 

Finally I moved to another state, found a good therapist, and actually had a few happy years, and some professional success...between bad relationships.

I have always tried (unconsciously) to have relationships with men who are emotionally unavailable because that has been my familiar zone.  So, my memorable relationships have been with alcohol or drug addicts - even when I have been straight...and most alcoholics and drug addicts die or go away. 
(My sister's life is much like mine but she has never been able to give up substance abuse)

Now I am 53 - I have a teenage son who has been all sorts of trouble - but one thing I am sure that he has - is self esteem and confidence.  I have listened carefully to his thoughts and needs.  In fact, he may even be a little arrogant. 

To me, it does not matter how much talent you have, or money or other resources....You must have confidence and self esteem.  I am glad I had the opportunity to get that right - for him....and I would not have been able to do that had I not known the recurring pain of of having no voice, no value.

I still call her - when something really good or interesting happens - and still the same thing happens - I say hello and 15 minutes later I get the opportunity to say goodbye...My heart sinks every time....Why do I keep repeating this behavior?  Am I hoping that after all of these years that this one time it will be different?  That she will ask, 'How are you?' and 'What did you do today?'

Actually, in having the opportunity to post here, I see that I have be the one to ask myself 'How are you?' and 'What did you do today?'  I am really struggling right now to be alive again.  I have been calculating losses and that is not good at all.  It has been really good for me post here, to go through what has happened to relieve some of the burden of guilt.  I can see it is not all my fault.

Steve, follow your dreams.

Thanks,

Becky


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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2007, 12:53:25 AM »
Welcome, Becky.

Your honesty is breathtaking.
I can't imagine you doing anything but growing.

(53 is very youthful...)

Glad you're here. You've been through a hell of a lot. Good for you for how you're parenting your boy. Yup, sounds like you are getting ready to parent yourself.

I know how agonizing it would be to get the wrong answer, which you would likely, but part of me wants to say on your behalf: HEY, MOTHER. I REALLY WANT YOU TO SAY TO ME, HOW ARE YOU DOING? WHAT DID YOU DO TODAY? I NEED TO HEAR THAT. I NEED US TO TAKE TURNS.

Sorry for the caps. I am up fighting sleep and dealing with mother issues myself. My heart hurts for you. But that ain't pity. You sound like a strong and differentiated person to me. I think you have a distinct, real voice.

I look forward to hearing more.

(Wish Steve would respond. Yo, Steve...?)

Hopalong
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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2007, 01:09:56 AM »
Steve!

So many people have responded, myslef included, asking questions and we don't hear from you.

WHY?

If this were me I would be amazed at how many people in this Forum are so caring, helpful amd supportive.

Good Lord! I exposed myself and people responded. How supported I felt!!!

I feel like I could get up and walk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  and where are you????

Izzy

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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2007, 06:17:48 AM »
rbeck,


Thank you for sharing here.  Once again think your mom and mine were sisters.  i recall when NMom would call as soon as she would say hello I would dispassionately ask What do you want?  Everytime I picked up the phone to call her I would say to myself "you are setting yourself up, she will take from you and give you nothing good" in time my contact petered out.  much healthier for me. 

Glad you are here

axa

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Re: Why I doubt myself
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2007, 07:05:43 AM »
Becky,

I'm so glad you found us!  This is a wonderful, supportive group that will give you lots of feedback and encouragement in your journey.  Your story sounds so familiar to me--and probably to all of us.  That's the beauty of talking to people who have been where you've been.  There is so much that you have to share that needs no explanation or justification with us.  We have been through similar experiences and you are able to begin "in the middle" so to speak and then fill in your story around the edges.  Please come back and share with us as you heal.   

About Steve--someone recently said that if you really want to understand a poster, go back to their old posts.  I have done that when I can and it really does help me understand where someone on the board is coming from.  Steve usually comes on and posts and then disappears for a long while.  I think that telling his story is cathartic for him and he isn't looking for the response that follows.  We love to help, don't we?  But that probably won't be our role in this interchange.

The good news is, Steve's posts usually spark a good discussion and, as in this case, encourage a new poster to participate in the board.  So....it's all good.

CB
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