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Gaining Strength

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My day - Jan 12
« on: January 13, 2007, 09:44:55 AM »
Yesterday was  my late husband's birthday.  Out little boy asked to go to the graveside.  Sio after I picked him up from school we went to a florist's and picked out a flowering plant and took it out there.  Then he wanted to go look at buying a headstone.  We have never bought one because my husband left in in such terrible financial ruins and as I have written here before my wealthy family has just turned a blind eye to my financial struggles. 

It was sort of a strange "celebration" but one I was so glad he wanted to do.  I am sorry he never knew his father and I am sorry that I have had no help in raising my son.  I hope one day that we will have a father figure in his life.

One other strange thing I did was have lunch with my Nfather and a brother.  My brothers and father have been meeting for lunch every two weeks for some time and my brother invitged me to join them over the Christmas holiday.  My father has decided that when he turns 78 in February that he will soon die.  He has been planning this for almost a year.  I suspect he will will himself to die in short order.

One typical thing he did was bring photocopies of a book of pictures from his childhood era.  He would dole one out at a time and talk about it and anything tangentially related.  At one point my brother and I spoke to each other about something - perhaps what we would order and my father stopped, put his things down, and said, "Are you two interested in this."  I felt some indescribable emotion rise through me.  I wanted to leave and go take a shower as if I could wash it all away.  I know that sounds dramatic but it was a flashback to the utter control he tried to take with us.  We weren't to talk about anything other than what he  had planned.  He had to be front and center at all moments.  No other topics or asides allowed. 

Even here it is hard to describe how strange it was but perhaps someone will understand. 

Just wanted to share.  Thanks - GS

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Re: My day - Jan 12
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2007, 09:55:20 AM »
GS,

I do understand.  It is as if you have been contaminated by something toxic.  As if you shoot back to the place you were as a kid.  Sounds like a pompos ass to me.

I never got a grave stone for my daughter either.  I just can't do it yet.  XN was always putting pressure on me about this saying that a dead child deserved a grave stone.  That F...ing Sh  ..... my daughter grew up with loving parents who valued and cared for her while XN Sh   bullied and manipulated his kids.  Boy this is really pressing a button in me.  He used to stand at her grave having abused me and cry........... HE NEVER MET HER.  Oh God what the hell was I doing with that B.....d. 

Apologies for all the swearing, just as well you guys are not in the room the air is blue.

Thanks for bringing this up for me GS.

xxxx Axa

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Re: My day - Jan 12
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2007, 10:03:24 AM »
GS.................well, too bad you ndad had to do that to you.  My nmom does a similar thing................if we are all talking.................you know, in a group and one person says one thing and then someone jumps in and makes a comment.......................well, she will look at you and say "can I finish?"  Everyone must stop and let her have the floor.  I think that may be a part of this beginnings of Alzheirmer's or it may just be that she has to have all the attention.  I can also relate about having to wash off the goo.  I feel it whenever I am around her too long.
Kelly

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Re: My day - Jan 12
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2007, 12:15:05 PM »
Wow, what a surprise to have you related to these unusual experiences.  I didn't expect that.

Axa - you will never know how incredibly helpful it is that you have not gotten a head stone for your daughter.  I actually erased that post in the midst of typing when I realized how incredibly odd it might sound and then I just decided I would go ahead.  I wanted to share that experience with someone.  My family wouldn't be interested.  How strange is it that my family wouldn't care that my little boy has to go to the cemetary to celebrate his father's birthday and none of them would even bother to remember that it was a special day for him.  I do so hope to create a better life for my little one. 

Axa thank you so much for sharing.

Kell, what weird parents we have.  I actually thought I was past being affected by my father.   That was a little surprising.  I do feel sorry for him.  His parents were anything but loving.  I grew up thinkjing feelilng obligated was loving.  But what really got me was that none of those who made me feel so obligated to them ever exhibited any obligation towards me.

Fortunately I learned that obligation and love are not the same thing.  In love I do things for my son because I long to do them out of my love for him rather than being obligated to do them because he is my son.  What a difference!



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Re: My day - Jan 12
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2007, 12:29:28 PM »
Dear GS,

I think you are a wonderful and articulate person.

This is hard for me to write, but, I also have not put up a foot stone for my Mom.

I'm embarrased and ashamed.  I just couldn't face it.

And, I can't really say more about it right now.

Regarding your dad, you must feel so empty and I'm sorry for that.

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Re: My day - Jan 12
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2007, 01:17:03 PM »
Hiya GS:

I wonder what would have happened had you looked at your father like he was nuts and turned back to your brother and continued to discuss what you would order for lunch?

 :shock: :shock: :shock:

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We have never bought one because my husband left in in such terrible financial ruins


Who is the  headstone for...the living or the dead?  You can only do your best and that's it.  Where is the money most needed/better spent?  I imagine that would be on your son, who is alive and has current needs (which you are doing your best to meet).   There will be a head stone some day, when the time is right.  Until then, please give yourself a pat on the back for keeping your H's memory alive and for doing what's best for your son.

Sela

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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2007, 03:52:16 PM »
I mean no disrespect but I think headstones are a custom, not a requirement.
They remind me of Christmas presents. Optional and not the point.
I think any such decision about how to honor someone's life and commemorate their death is completely personal, and if we (culture "we") weren't intimidated by tradition, we'd feel the freedom to do what feels right.

I certainly don't care about a stone. I've reserved a little bitty plaque space in the church's memorial garden for myself, and got one for my D's father, which we dedicated a year after his death. No big fuss. In case it does comfort her one day after I'm gone too, she could sit in a space where in a sense, both of us are.

Personally, I have absolutely diabolical plans for my ashes (they involve sending tablespoons in little bags to so many people, with an individualized comical thing to do with them). I do not feel reverence for dead bodies. Nobody's home. I loved my dad as much as anyone in my life and letting go of his body was not too hard, probably because I chose to stay with it a full day until it began to show some of the physical breakdown that is natural. That was nature's sign to me, you can let go of this now...he is not here.

I never visit the columbarium where his ashes are. I guess it's because I think he's here, in his old shirt I kept, in his chair I sit in. He didn't hang out at the University cemetery so it seems odd to think of "visiting" him.

I remember my D said about her father, in the church garden, "I don't know where he is." And we 3 witnesses (me, her stepmother-his widow, and the minister) said practically in unison, "He's in you."

So these people, loved and missed, are commemorated when we remember and learn and are mindful. But not by our leaping on a pyre.

No guilt about erecting monuments, small or large, please....do what you want when you want, your own rituals. Or traditional things if they feel right to you ... nothing wrong with that and many times it is very beautiful. But please, don't send GUILT toward the dead or toward their surviviors.

Whatever wisdom and light and beauty can come from any afterlife would not include that! If you believe they've moved on to a cosmic sphere, then just imagine the love coming from them to you. (If it was a monstrous person who died, then imagine if they had a scrap of goodness, that is all that they are now.)

I do. At times, when I'm lost, I feel grounded by a little chat with my Dad. If I hadn't had even one loving parent, I'd have found someone else to chat with. Jesus. MLKJr, a hero of mine. A kindly former neighbor.

love,
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Re: My day - Jan 12
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2007, 05:13:51 PM »
Here's something else that happened to me yesterday.

On Thursday, I wrote this in a post, "I already feel as though I have made a significant switch from dreading the shame of life to going out to meet life. "  Then yesterday morning I picked up a free publication called "Natural Awakenings" and found an article entitled, "Realizing Your Resolution".  It's a brief article that gives three steps and the introduction ends with these sentences: Many of us tend to back away from what we don't want, rather than head towards what we do.  We try to get to our destination by shifting into reverse and backing away from where we don't want to be.

I found this article just when I needed it, almost as though it was written to me.  The three steps are: 1) Don't resist.  What we resist does persist.  Where attention goes, energy flows.  Guilt does not work.  Guilt is driving with your brakes on. (For over 10 years I have described my life as one in which I am driving with my brakes on.  I think I've even posted that here.)  2) Be willing to be willing to change. Affirmations become a statement of our willingness to be willing by adding two simple words to it: "I Choose."  3) Never say never. Affirm your change for the now and the future will take care of itself.

I know this philosophy is not for everyone but I am going to try it.  Last month when I got hopelessly frustrated over planning my son's birthday party and over a couple of Christmas gift ideas, I quit struggling over them and just kept them  in mind and I was able to come up with solutions.  This has been successful with a few simple things.  I am willing to try it on more significant issues.

Finding that article was one of those little lifts, a pick me up, an encouragement.  I welcome such a boost whenever they come my way.  As I always say - this place is a boost to me over and over.  Just finding this place has been a real boost.  Now I am looking for and expecting boosts in all kinds of places.  That makes life more enjoyable. 


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Re: My day - Jan 12
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2007, 05:32:31 PM »
Dazed -
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This is hard for me to write, but, I also have not put up a foot stone for my Mom.

I'm embarrased and ashamed.  I just couldn't face it.

Thank you so much for sharing this.  I feel embarrased and ashamed as well.  That is until you and Axa shared with me.  Now as I write this to you I realize that it has worked out for the best because now our son can have a part of memoralizing his father whom he never knew. 

It is so nice that I am beginning to find good aspects of things that have caused me shame in the past.  Thank you for sharing.  It seems like such a small thing to you I'm sure but it is a real gift to me.  It really changes me and the way I am beginning to approach life.  I am beginning to internalize the concept that even though I feel as though NO ONE else could possible understand things I've done there probably are people I admire who do understand and may have done the same thing.  Just thinking that way will help me move forward next time. - Many thanks to you and Axa for that significant gift.

LOL Sela
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I wonder what would have happened had you looked at your father like he was nuts and turned back to your brother and continued to discuss what you would order for lunch?
  Something about your suggestion makes the whole scene so comical.  The real question is why in the world did I WANT to go to lunch.  I haven't exactly answered that one for myself. 

Hops -
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Personally, I have absolutely diabolical plans for my ashes (they involve sending tablespoons in little bags to so many people, with an individualized comical thing to do with them). I do not feel reverence for dead bodies. Nobody's home.
  Boy I can just imagine receiving one of you packages. LOL.  It makes me think of Grahm Green's Travels with My Aunt

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don't send GUILT toward the dead or toward their surviviors.
  Believe it or not, I didn't read what you had written until after I posted jsut above at 5:13 today.  That would be where I quoted an article, "Guilt does not work. "  Thanks for that reminder.  I don't feel guiltly about letting my husband down but I realize that I feel guilty about not meeting the customs.  There is a HUGE ball of wax wrapped up around that one and it extends WAY beyond the grave marker.  Well well.  I'm making progress - always room for more. 

Thanks you three. - your friend - Gaining Strength

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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2007, 06:07:21 PM »
Thinking of all your losses, all our losses.

We honour our dead when we uphold their memory with love and dignity, and carry on to live a good life with that honour, that's how I feel.

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Re: My day - Jan 12
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2007, 08:48:17 AM »
So good to hear from you WRITE.  I hope you are doing well. - GS

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Re: My day - Jan 12
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2007, 11:36:17 AM »
Gaining Strength,

Wow--just chiming in here on the lunch date.  Had my N mom do the same thing a few years back.  Decided out of the blue after pratically ignoring her 2 daughters for 30+ years of our lives, to go to lunch on each of our birthdays.  It didn't last.  Turns out she just wanted the opportunity to talk about herself and pass on little pieces of junk she has never thrown away and tell us little stories about each one about her life and childhood. And pass on some "crap" of ours she found laying around her house.  She didn't want it anymore.  You know, gifts from us.  Childhood what-nots.

She seems to think we will need or want to know this stuff when she goes.  She is pushing 80 and has been basically completely deaf for 15 years, but she won't wear her hearing aid because she doesn't care what anyone has to say but herself anyway.  So we sit at lunch nodding whiles she prattles on, and stuffing the weird little trinkets in our purses while the waiters give us strange looks.  Allways a delight. 

 She has also become obsessed with writing her personal history so she does that every day while her life now just ticks away.  A life she could be making nice new memories with people and paying some attention to someone besides herself, but oh well, it's ok with all of us, she is just such a monster she needs to stay in her cave. 

We don't speak anymore anyway.  I got tired of doing everything her way---cause if I didn't there was hell to pay.  She belongs to a sort of cult too, so that was a great reason to make my break and never go back.  I grew up in the thing.  Never believed, but just waited for an escape.   Anyway, another story for another day.

Just wanted to say-----been there on the lunch thing-----glad you said something cause I was still being told by my N H that I was wrong for being annoyed at the lunch and I am wrong for breaking off all contact with her and my FOO.  And I feel bad for it, taking the blame just like she taught me to.

By the way,  I just wanted to tell ya I totally agree with what you were saying about things dropping into your lap when you need them.  That has been happening to me so much.   It's really awesome.  And I totally get what you are saying.  Your article remeinded me of a movie that dropped into my lap a couple months ago.  Nothing to do with N's BUT exactly to do with what you were talking about.   It's called The Secret.  A little "out there" some might believe, but really awesome.  I get into that stuff anyway. :)

Oops------Gotta go,

Namaste & Peace,

Divine Sunshine


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Re: My day - Jan 12
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2007, 12:20:50 PM »
I love your name "Divine Sunshine" and am intrigued by The Secret, can't wait to check it out.

As I sat there during lunch, I realized that I was taking my father's inventory, just making mental notes about his strange behavior and thinking that was a sort of "I got cha" kind of attitude but now I realize that for the first time in lo these many years I have a group of friends who will understand and relate to this weirdness.  His behavior is not pain generating today, it just stirs up memories of pain not yet resolved.  But one of the most healing things I get here is validation and I knew I would find that here.  Ain't validation great!!! - GS

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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2007, 07:58:07 PM »
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