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isittoolate

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Having a problem with projection--insane
« on: May 06, 2007, 04:31:44 PM »
I have been reading all the posts about shame and N parents etc. and I have been projecting what I read as though my daughter wrote these and the end result is she hates me and wants my money.

Yet I am a mother, an old one, who is trying to change and somehow it seems fruitless when my daughter's feelings won't change, as I see posted here.

I try very hard to back up a step and rectify my thinking, but my parents are gone. I received my inheritance. (I was surprised and had not been waiting for it.) I am trying to have a legacy for my daughter, and which part will win?

The Therapist @ $106.00hr/wk that bites into the inheritance and I continue for years?
or
forget about therapy & change and have an inheritance for my daughter.

I cannot help but see her thinking the same way you daughters think of your mothers.

I doubt I am an N, but am beginning to transfer that over to me.


Just a stage I am at right now

Love to all Izzy

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Re: Having a problem with projection--insane
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2007, 05:09:55 PM »
Izzy,

  I was wondering about you in all of our postings about our mothers, how you would view your particular story in the light of everyone else's particular stories.

  Izzy, therapy and change are ultimately for your benefit.  It would be wonderful for you and your daughter to heal your relationship,and it must be so hard for you to think that you might be going through all this for naught.
   Healing is a legacy that you can leave your daughter, even if you never get to see her recognizing it in your lifetime.

   I was fortunate enough to have a conversation with my stepdad about inheritance.  I told him that money could never replace him, and that money is not what makes memories- so just use his money as he truly wanted to, no matter what it was.

  You  sound very hurt when you said "I cannot help but see her thinking the same way you daughters think of your mothers."

   We're here, Izzy.  So is your therapist if you choose to continue.

   There is support in unravelling all these painful past issues, and present ones.

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Re: Having a problem with projection--insane
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2007, 05:12:17 PM »
Oh Izzy:  You are nothing like my nmom.  She would never go to counseling to help herself.  She would go to counseling to figure out how to help me.   Kelly, the unstable, overly emotional, accusatory, mean person!!  Izzy, unless you come off a lot different than you actually are, I cannot imagine your daughter hating you.

But I know that my daughter disowned her dad because he did just one thing that put her over the deep end.  There will little things but all he did was get in her face and cuss her out (well, I say ALL - I guess it was pretty big..............)  But it just took that one thing for her to push her dad out of her life.

So maybe you did ONE thing that set your daughter off.  I still think you should kill her with kindness and see if she comes around!!

And you are not old.....my gma is 91....
Kelly

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Re: Having a problem with projection--insane
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2007, 05:49:09 PM »
Izzy,

Help me out here.  I have read your post and I see compassion and pain you feel for your daughter.  No I do not think you are an N.

Let me ask you something? 

What do you think you could of possibly done for your daughter other then what you have done?
What do you think you gave her growing up? till she met her H so very young.
What do you think you could of done to keep her away from him? 
When you couldn't what could you of possibily done by staying there?  Could you have broke up her marriage?
Did you ever think that she may have some *hidden anger* emotions for her Father!!! that is taken out on  you?
Maybe she married an older guy *father love figure* didn't know it?


There is a whole lot of open wounds for both of you?
Don't think everythng is because of you Izzy what and what you did not do.
Both of you have been so very hurt.
You will make yourself crazy reading everything. Sometimes we over think.

Just like when I have a sore on my toe and look it up on the internet that says, well rub it, or it could be that you have a brain tumor, that will lead into losing an eyeball, due to having a weak heart, or it could just be a sore toe.
By now I have had everything and am panic stricken.

Love
Deb


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Re: Having a problem with projection--insane
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2007, 06:03:57 PM »



Iz,

I bet if you sifted through all the posts about the N mothers, you'd not find one that says she (the mother) went to therapy or made more than a token effort (if any at all) to understand how they were making their child's existance hell on earth.  I've been here a long time.  I don't recall a single one.  To me, that is how you are different.  You have been in and out of therapy for years trying to find answers to all the Why? questions.   You are dealing with and trying to right generational wrongheadedness.  To me that makes you a hero.  That takes guts!  I would have no problem respecting and venerating a mother like you, money or none.

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Re: Having a problem with projection--insane
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2007, 08:04:46 PM »
This is weird.  A couple of hours ago I posted a response here but it isn't here.  how could that be? 

To the best of my memory what I said is this - If I had a choice, I would give up all hope of any inheritance for a mother who was willing to work on healing her wounded soul.  I would hope that our relationship would improve as a product of that work but even if it didn't I would consider that money well spent.

You are spending your money well Izzy.  Don't stop - for your daughter's sake - don't stop.

isittoolate

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Re: Having a problem with projection--insane
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2007, 08:27:34 PM »
Thank you everyone--

I have been trying to count the times in therapy--
1.) age 19 --was lonley and cried a lot
2.) age 28-- to talk about my daughter's father and help me try to make a decision whether to stay with him. He said NOT. I did for 4 more months.
3.) age29-30 Was a lonley single mother, regretting I had to leave D'ter while I went to work to support us--nothing from her father.--interrupted by the car crash.
4.) age-43 about same old nothing in life, then into Group Therapy-very bad for me.
5.) about age 48--after d'ter was married, lived in filth with new baby, and I was depressed
6.) age 53--when I had been dismissed by her N husband and had no one.

Since I went for therapy and had no positive results, I have consistently wondered what was wrong with me. I was vulnerable to an N relationship--never saw it coming and 1998 was the year. I finally left him in 2002---I was flatter than a pancake, almost catatonic now with life!

When d'ter was growing up
I gave her love and hugs, and direction and talk.
She had lessons in baton, gym, swimming,. She went to church and to summer Bible camps 6 summers in a row. The summer she was 16, I counted that as a turning point and it was time for her to get a summer job and learn other facts of life. I attended all her string concert events as well as P/T night. We went to Nashvile TN, I drove. She was 8. We flew to New Orleans in '81 to see my friends in Baton Rouge. She was 17 and the daughters there took her in hand re makeup and hair style. She kept it up, and pierced ears etc, until she was isolated on the Ns farm.

She had nice boyfriends all the while. They came to see me even when they knew she was away. One was a chess guy and we played. (He always won) One was born her exact day, May 13, 1964. They were very close. I really liked him but he was drawn to be a priest. One was older and I wondered about him, but he was nice to me, came when I was weeding the flower beds, went into the house for a beer for both of us and just sat on the ground, bumming his way along  with me.

At age 19, no jobs in our bedroom city, so I suggested Toronto where she/we had relatives and friends she could stay with, for room and board and have her job. Instead she stayed with a friend I had known for 52 years.--through whom she met the N and our friendship ended. My friend felt so guilty she couldn't face me. We saw each other last in 1986 when first g'child was born.

I will definitely grant that I overthink. I have been analyzing for all the  years I knew somethhing was wrong with me. I am alsosuseptible to others problems and they often become mine and I cannot solve them either.

The biggest mistake I made was to go on that date on June 6, 1969 and be gone a year. Maybe she is ashamed of a wheelchair mother, but then I know she is overweight now, also in therapy ands so are the 2 kids with her. She must be going through hell with that, and losing her son to the N father.

Both of us are not stupid., but maybe we ought to stay apart. The therapist asked me last week and I answered in that vein.

I cannot rectify us, as I believe she knows it was her choice in husbands, and the timing, that wrecked everything. And she had been a fan of Charles and Diana, look at the age difference, both married at 20 etc.

Could I stop her? NO!!!!!

Will I ever be better. I don't KNOW!
Izzy


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Re: Having a problem with projection--insane
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2007, 10:42:14 PM »
Hi Izzy-Not-an-N,

I think your daughter was very angry at you for being in a car crash and "abandoning" you.
That's about as fair as a tornado, but she was a child, and that's how children's minds work.

I think you are very angry at her for making a huge mistake and then being afraid or unwise or immature ... so much that she couldn't see as clearly as you could why her H was so wrong.

I think if you can work on your anger at her...so you really DO come to the point of completely forgiving her for her bad choice that wound up exiling you....then you'll be happier.

I think it's only complete, total forgiveness that will make that possible. Letting it all go. No longer being indignant or furious or frustrated that she didn't or doesn't see her life as you see it...

Maybe just letting go of being right.

love
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