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cantors.counter

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Please allow me to introduce myself....
« on: July 12, 2007, 06:42:26 PM »
Hello, I'm counter. I just found this message board today after looking for information on parents who are N. I am a Christian, wife, and mother to two boys.

I've known for a long time my family of origin was "different", but I just couldn't put my finger on it. Often, when I described stuff that happened in the family, people thought I was exaggerating. Sometimes they just got very quiet and changed the subject. Of course from the outside, we looked liked The Perfect Family; it was very important to maintain this image. Does any of this sound familiar? ;)

About a year ago, I researched N and decided that it didn't fit. Then earlier this week, I literally lol'ed (rather loudly, too :shock:) in the bookstore when I came across a book titled "Children of the Self-Absorbed". Self-absorbed is the way my H describes my parents. It fits. My father died five years ago. I have cut off contact with my mother; I could not manage a relationship with her. At this time, I have no interest in seeking a relationship with her -- and, of course, I feel guilty about it.

I find myself stuck, unable to form close relationships, trust other humans or even leave the house without feeling like I'm being watched. I'm increasingly easily overwhelmed. I've started self-injuring again after being si-free for 16 years. Three years ago, I started stuttering and sometimes can't even speak if I get too anxious. It's all gotten to the point where it's definitely effecting my family.

So, I'm exploring more information on the effects on adult children of N. I need to find a way to be more functional.

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Re: Please allow me to introduce myself....
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2007, 07:00:01 PM »
Counter-Welcome!  Sounds like you are in the right place.  There are many Christian mothers here who had terrible N parents.  Yes the outside only sees the good in our families-what a crock.
Kelly

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Re: Please allow me to introduce myself....
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2007, 07:10:42 PM »


Hi counter,

You're as welcome as the flowers here  :)

You will find lots of information that will resonate with your story.  The board is pretty long now and one of the things it doesn't do is categorize in a way that makes it easy for you to find mother/daughter stories where narcissism is at play.  So maybe a good thing to do would be to just find a page and start reading.  Someitmes folk delete their posts, but there are  plenty of stories left that you'll relate to.

Tell us more.  Tell us about you.  Your Mom.

Tell us how far you've traveled along the path of recovery.  What tools have you used so far?

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Re: Please allow me to introduce myself....
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2007, 07:20:53 PM »
Dear Counter,
   You have found a home here. I had to laugh(black humor) when you said that you knew something was wrong with your family,but did not know what. I just found out 4 months ago when I found the board.
  I can also relate to people thinking that you are exaggerating or just look blank and "change the subject.This was the big reason that I started to get more and more isolated. It was so awful to try to relate to people and get "blank stares"
  I started "going down" too. I was always "going down "in a way( for my whole life),but I gave up when the kids did not need me to drive anymore.
  Why bother trying when everything is pain or "dull".
 You will not be alone any more--..
  Read the past posts You can look up topics that pertain to you. If you want to see a mother that sounds like yours-- read my past posts.
  I understand feeling " so worthless that you want to injure yourself. You HAD to take on the reality that you were worthless in order to survive. Your denial kept you alive.
   The N forces a "warped" reality on the children. In that reality-- the children are worthless. We must accept this reality or we will have bad consequences. It was not our fault that we hate ourselves.
  We had to give up ourselves. We were alone and no one helped us. We,simply, survived. Please keep writing. I am a Christian, also.. I found Jesus b/c my mother drove me to the breaking point I would not have had the humility to bow my knee to Him without being completely broken. It was all worth it to have him. However, now I am left to heal all the damage. However, He leads every step of the way and also, carries me. I am so,very,very glad that you are here       Love  Ami
 

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2007, 07:35:04 PM »
Welcome, Counter  :)

I'd say you're in the right place. During my most active time here on this board, I learned more than I'd ever thought possible... about family dynamics, relationships, and about myself. Some good, some not so good... all helpful.

I'm a Christian wife and mother of 4, first introduced to the topic of NPD when I married one 7 years ago, since divorced and remarried to an ordinary male - lol  :shock: - and over the past 3 years in the process of discovering that I'd only scratched the surface of the abnormality in my life. Whew. Still smilin tho  :)  God is good!  Glad you're here.

Hope

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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2007, 11:23:03 PM »
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Welcome... tons of help here. It is overwhelming at first when you realize this. Please expect a whallop of emotions and endless information-gathering for a while.
We are here when you want to share.
Love, Beth
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Re: Please allow me to introduce myself....
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2007, 12:23:03 AM »
Hi Counter,
I'm not a Christian, I'm divorced, and have one child. I'm happy to meet you and hope this board will be the sheltering, awakening place for you it's been for me.

It's still a revelation to me, what a powerful source of wisdom and support this place is. It can go in cycles as our lives do...intense or light, hard-work focus or less deeply engaged. Just like in real life--ebb, flow. Imo, there's an extra dimension here, because there's almost always someone who will meet you where you need to be met.

Glad you found us!

Best,
Hopalong
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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2007, 06:27:30 AM »
Dear Counter,

Welcome to the board,

Your story doesn't sound unusual to me! My Mum and sister are N's, and my first boyfriend was N-ish.

As Ami suggested, you could read through my past posts as well if you like for a bit of 'background support' if you feel isolated.

Lots of people here will be helpful to you - there's so much wisdom here, but expect to be reading and reading for hours, while it all starts to sink in!

If you've already started No Contact, that's great, it's what's necessary. I've had NC with my Nmum and Nsister for 13 years.

Janet

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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2007, 11:14:30 AM »
Hello Counter,

I enjoyed your post.  Happy to hear from you.  I am new to the board too.  It is amazing to me as I have watched myself and read your note, that we leave these relationships with such self-destructive patterns.  I too struggle to engage in meaningful relationships, trust others, and constantly feel like I am being watched. Cool to hear others are feeling similar ways.  Well babe, you are certainly not alone.  I am glad to know that I am not alone either.  Welcome to the group.

Two boys! Awesome.  I have two boys and two girls.  Equal voting rights at our dinner table. :)

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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2007, 12:17:59 PM »
Counter - I'm glad you found this board.  I found it a couple of years ago and began posting last August.  By that time I was fairly certain that the term Narcissistic applied to my father.  I have since learned that from psychologists and psychiatrists that indeed my father has NPD and my mother has N traits.  Because my parents come from wealthy and prominent families they were able to appear to be in the normal range.  Because of this I completely identify with your first paragraph and found absolutely no understanding or compassion from friends, relatives or anyone.  So, "yes, your statement sounds perfectly familiar."

One of the descriptions about Ns that didn't seem to fit either of my parents is that Ns are patological liars.  Until recently I was unaware of my parents uncontrollable lieing.  How I could have lived for almost 50 years and not understood this is really beyond me but I have learn the very hard lesson that they both live to lie - a very painful and demoralizing realization.

That your father died 5 years ago, unfortunately, in no way releases the harm and pain of having grown up and lived with an N father who was incapable of loving, adoring, supporting, nourishing his very offspring.  It goes against the very grain of human expectation and necessity.

It is not a surprise to me that your coping skills are failing you.  It appears to be a product of aging.  This is something that I have witnessed over and over but which I have never read an explanation of and don't really understand why it is true.  But the good news is that it doesn't have to be that way.  There are ways to reverse this in your life and you will find here at Voicelessness the postings of many of us who are determined to do that.  It is not an easy road and it is not quick but I learned in my late 20s that it is worth it.  I recognized that the choices are to either give up and languish or make the effort and put in the work.  At times it seems easier to let go and just give in but really that makes no sense at all.  I refuse to not work on this.  Though at times I don't have the strength, I still don't give up I simply wait until I can find the strength again.  I find that this becomes easier and easier the more determined I am.

I am going through an extended and very debilitating struggle right now concerning my father.  I am exhasuted and facing enormous stress and yet my determination had kept me from sinking into depression which I have suffered from for much of my life.  When I realize that the work I am doing has actually kept me out of depression during one of the most onerous experiences of my life (and I have had extraordinarily difficult times in my life - to the extent that my Therapist knows of few others who have faced the betrayals and losses that I have lived through) it is that which keeps me going.  I tell you this to say the single most empowering thought that keeps me afloat and moving forward in the darkness is the belief that I will and I am getting stronger and stronger.

Part of the way I come to this is through my faith.  The more I read and study (which is not a lot) the more I learn that there are profound promises of support and encouragement and abundance in the Bible.  I know that God has promised me a better life and the way to it is through faith that He has that for me.  In the midst of stress and pain I simply hold that thought along with the image of Christ hold me and I can get through the most difficult pain.  I know, though I cannot see it, I know that I am getting stronger.  Part of my proof is looking back over my experience recorded on this web site. 

Again I encourage you to believe that it is possible for you to overcome the si and the stuttering.  Just to start, as often as you can, tell yourself, "I will overcome the si and the stuttering."  "Even though I don't see it, I know by faith, that God will carry me through to the other side of this."

There are many, many verses that you can commit to memory or put on cards to repeat to yourself in your darkest moments.  You will become more functional.  You know you can overcome the si because you have done it before. 

My heart is with you and with all of us here and those who haven't found this site or other help.  The damage of growing up with N parents is a hidden destructive force that few can understand.  I have seen that many of us here can really not understand each others true pain.  But I am confident that we can truly overcome the destruction of such inheritance and I am commited to doing so for myself and to offer compassion for anyone else walking these dark roads until we get to the light.

Welcome to this place and to your new friends and fellow strugglers - Gaining Strength


You will find a way to be more functional.  The first step is believing you will.