Author Topic: Daughters who Defect  (Read 1879 times)

rosencrantz

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Daughters who Defect
« on: April 13, 2004, 04:45:05 PM »
A quote from 'When You and Your Mother Can't be Friends' (author's italics) :
 
"...Defector, that category of women - psychologically or physically battered by their mothers - who bolted from their families and, with rare exceptions, never looked back.  Why did they do it? They were desperate and believed they had no choice.  For it they had stayed within the relationship, they say, they would have killed their mothers, killed themselves, or lost their minds.  

But are they strong?  The answer to that one is not so simple.
 
...They wer eager to please their mothers.  But something set them apart...For one thing they were more damaged....Defectors got more [devastating punishments].  why?  Becasue their mothers sensed, rightly or wrongly, that this child could not be broken..."I knew I'd never be taken care of, never protected, never helped.  I knew if I was going to survive, I'd have to do it on my own'
 
...[They begin] childhood as Angels or Ciphers  But inside they kept a psychic bank account : in it they made regular deposits of anger...Anger was their ticket to freedom..."I learned not to be vulnerable, because the minute I was, my mother would abuse me more...so I became hard as a rock.  Once I said to her 'You can break every bone in my body.  But you're not going to break my spirit.'"


How familiar this sounds - those who have read my recent posts will, I am sure, recognise me in this description. Startlingly accurate.

Poozybear, Peanut - and others...does this speak to you???
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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2004, 05:48:32 PM »
Hi Rosencrantz:  Hmm, interesting post.  I guess I want to say this.  I think both the daughter that stays and the daughter that goes are strong.

I can only compare the situ. between me and my brother, (which raises the question whether things are different if it is a mother/son relationship vs. mother/daughter...):

He had nothing to do with her after she 'ran away from home' (he was 14, and I had just 3 days prior turned 16 - our dad had already died).  I 're-upped' with her some months after she left, but mostly from a distance, (visits/phone/letters, etc.).

Sometimes I felt put upon, especially after one of my 'duty trips to see her', but mostly I totally understood why my brother considered her 'dead', long before she actually died...

I stayed because I thought somebody had to, (and I always thought it was 'easier' for my brother to stay away if I was there - but he has many N traits, so... plus he tells me he didn't give a rats arse...yada, yada), and because I always held out some measure of hope of having a 'real' relationship with her = I did love her, etc..

It took a lot to stay, but it would have taken an equal amount to go, (and I did distance myself in many ways emotionally, etc.).

Still wish I had had some of the tools/skills that I am just now learning, like from this site and you all.  But, hey, better late than never, right?  :shock:

Best regards, Peanut



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Daughters who Defect
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2004, 08:50:27 PM »
Whoa!!!! Yes, this speaks to me, especially the part that says the mother chose the target that could not be broken. That was me. Of her three children, I was the eldest, the most independent, and one that mother could NEVER break. My brother and sister conformed perfectly to her expectations. I would not, and did indeed get more devastating punishments.

I'm going to print this out and re-read it. Who wrote this? Is this an excerpt from a book? I would love to get a copy and read more.

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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2004, 10:52:52 PM »
I've had nearly 10 years of not speaking with or seeing my mother. I never would have believed it possible. I always weakened. Prior to this 10 year period the longest had been 5 years but with phone calls. My mothr was the centre of my world. She made sure of that, and she's a bad bad bad person, to the marrow. Cutting off completely was the only option in the end, or I'd still be pooper-scooping after her today. That's all I ever semed to be doing my whole life till I cut off. If anyone had of told me I could do it, cut off I mean, I wouldn't have believed them. If anyone had of told me it would be worth it, I wouldn't have believed that either. But in the end I had no choice. I'm glad now my hand was forced.


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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2004, 11:24:37 AM »
Rosencrantz,

Wow! :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  What you posted ACCURATELY describes me!!  Now I have another name for myself . . . "Defector!"  :lol:

I always, even as a child, knew she would never break me.  I also felt like I would kill her  :shock:  if I stayed around her and I was also very angry :evil: .  It took me years to look under the anger (a cover feeling I'm told) and find myself.

Thanks so much for the info . . . every little bit seems to help.  I am an ISFJ (I knew I was an introvert, but not the rest).  Learning this about myself helped me a lot.  I thought there was something wrong with me wanting to be alone sometimes.  Now I know it's NORMAL for me!  :P  :lol:

I don't always have time to post, but had to respond to this one.  I do enjoy reading the posts each morning and get frstrated if I don't have time to read them.  Keep them coming . . . I love them!  

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