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deconstructing my mother
« on: August 04, 2007, 12:53:27 PM »
Now that my father is fully diagnosed by not one but two psychiatrists I have confirmation of my own diagnosis.  I have found release in not being able to be the kind of daughter I would have like to have been.  I couldn't do it because he wouldn't allow it. I continue to find healing for the wounds of not having a father who loved me, though that hole is terribly large. But perhaps the biggest help in going through the trials of dealing with my father this summer is that is has shed light on my struggles with my mother and even more significant than that is that my oldest brother is coming to my defense and pushing me to distance  myself from my mother and pushing our mother to take care of herself and stop relying and manipulating me.

I finally read Nina Brown's book "Children of the Self Absorbed" and found some helpful information in it (though I found it poorly organized and difficult to get through.)  One of the sections refers to bipolar actions (I dispair of her confusing use that that term in this way.)  Suddenly the light bulb went off and there it was - my mother - unlike my father - ossilates between polarities.  She can be mean and aggressive and then pitiful.  It is a manipulation that sucks me in.  meanwhile

she commits these heinously passive-aggressive acts of sabotage.  For instance - earlier this week she asked if I wanted to go with her and my brother and SIL to see the new Jane Austen movie on Friday (last night), she would get a baby-sitter.  "Sure" I said.  Well the baby-sitter couldn't come and she got sick.  So Friday she says - you go any way and I will watch your son.  Well she gets the paper and realizes that the movie wasn't out.  So I made arrangements to go visit with my brother and SIL at 6:30 and left my 15 year old nephew and 6 year old son with her.  Well at  8:00 my phone started ringing.  I told my brother it was our mother but I didn't answer.  Then my brother's home phone rang.  No one moved.  Then my brother's cell phone rang.  We laughed.  Then my cell phone again.  So I capitulated - suppose something really was wrong - no one there could drive. I answered.  A weak, pitiful voice feebly inquires, "when are you coming here?"  "Soon."  "I really need you."  "OK"  I hung up.  We just shook our heads and resumed our conversation.  Half hour later - the whole series of phone calls begins again.  Without answering the phones, I left and went and picked up my nephew and son. 

Just an interesting point - I have absolutely no problems with the two boys when we are together.


Finally, I know that part of what I have struggled against is a profound determination by my mother to sabotage me.  Having figured that out I can on reflection, understand very well how I got where I am.  Now my job is to unwind my ball of string and get to a place where I can get a healing plan in place.  The bottom line for me has been a double bind resulting from contradiction and sabotage that left me tied in knots, unable to see up from down.  Now my vision is clearer and I must work to clean up my mess.  I hope I can.

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Re: deconstructing my mother
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2007, 03:13:03 PM »
Hello GS,

  I can so relate to the double binds- the mean/pitiful.  I will probably read that book.  I've heard of it countless times, but if you found some of it helpful, that's enough of a recommendation for me.

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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2007, 03:31:47 PM »
Dear GS,
  I have been thinking about your thread all morning. I think that it is a pivotal time for you and I wanted to think about what you said.
  I think that you are coming out of denial about your M. I think that we have a natural mechanism that makes us recoil from seeing our parents as you describe your M. It is awful to have the person who should be the closest to you-- hurt and undermine you.
  I don't know if you are going through a lot of emotions-- crying, panic etc_-or if you are able to just "see" it.
  For me,it was a huge upheaval.
  It seems like you are facing the truth. You want to unwind the twisted thread and get to the begining, which is your healthy core. I think that you need to do just what you are doing-- facing it and seeing HER as the problem--- not you. I am staring to do this. I guess that it is the next step in unwinding the thread. My heart and prayers are with you,GS                                Love and a Hug  Ami
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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2007, 04:23:19 PM »

Hi GS,

I understand exactly where you are.  As is often the case, I know stuff but can't turn it into words the way you do so wonderfully.  I've almost finished deconstructing and reorganizing the things I've learned about my mom.  Interestingly, that's about all that happens in this exercise as I understand it.  You shake it down, and reorganize it according to the way your mind organizes itself.  The scenario of my life with her from the cradle to now has not changed one iota by my studying it.  She is the Mount Rushmore of N behavior.   What has changed is that I've organized the What Is I know of her in a way that facilitates my adapting to it.   My heart and ears don't like to hear these words.  But as I've said before here, I made a decision (I've changed it to, I have a desire, now) not to abandon her in her last days.  A part of that decision/desire revolves around my need to maintain a conscience I can live with for the long haul.  When its all said and done, that in itself is part of the adaptation.  No matter what route I take, it ends up being me adapting to her.  Or that is what it feels like.  In a way it is my  Isaiah 50:7 The Lord GOD is my help, therefore I am not disgraced; I have set my face like flint, knowing that I shall not be put to shame.    I hope it is God's too.

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Re: deconstructing my mother
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2007, 02:12:31 PM »
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A part of that decision/desire revolves around my need to maintain a conscience I can live with for the long haul.

This is exactly what my oldest brother articulated during the 10 weeks we were struggling with my father and his hospitalization.  I personally found it extremely theraputic and releasing.  Before this, for years I have known that I didn't love (as in adore) my father but that I loved him out of a filial respect and obligation.  That understanding was helpful but what you have articulated became from me a truly healing attitude during my father's revelatory, grave illness.

Interestingly, (to me) the torment endured during my father's hospitalization began cracking much of my frozen psychological comprehension concerning my mother.  I don't know why it has taken my so long.  It is not for want of trying and not for want of effort.  One of the extraordinary changes however was that my oldest brother began to tell me that he saw that our mother had entrapped me.  Because of our experience with our father he reached a revelation that our parents have used a divide and conquer technique with us that has split us apart all of our adult lives.  Having reached this insight, he decided that he woul no longer participate in it and when my mother, again, tried to belittle me to him he simply refused and then called me as asked that work out a strategy to disentangle me from her.

Our relatively brief conversations about his revelation have been extraordinarily freeing.  The action came from outside of myself but I am certain that the changes that I have made inside have allowed, if not the change by my brother, then at least my receptivity to his actions. 

For several years I have been confused why I was still stuck by the wretched double binds put in place so long ago.  I still don't have an answer but I also believe that I am moving towards psychological freedom and healing.  In dark moments, when life seems to be much more akin to my struggles than the freedom I am aiming towards I fall back into a place of thankfulness.  I simply immerse myself in a sense of thankfulness that I am healing and will see the fruits of it soon.  This keeps me out of my comfort zone of anxiety and place of psychological chastisement.  Even though my outer life looks the same as it did 3 months ago, my inner life has changed dramatically and I know that that is the order necessary for true, dramatic changes for my life.

I am sort of using a psychology akin to knowing the end of the story is something wonderful so that I can endure the passages of trauma and terror because I know the outcome is going to be okay.  It really helps in dealing with the vissitudes and changes encountered in daily life.

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I think that you need to do just what you are doing-- facing it and seeing HER as the problem--- not you. I am staring to do this. I guess that it is the next step in unwinding the thread.

You know, Ami, your post helped me see something - in the past when I have developed insights into my mother's behavior and her effects on me I have (strangely) fallen into a belief or attitude that, "Whew, OK, now I have figured that out so now we can go on an have a normal, healthy, positive mother-daughter mutually nurturing relationship."  Well that will never happen - never has, never will.  Something in your post helped me see that for the first time.  It's not that I haven't

see some truths about our relationship much earlier but some very strange part of me expected my understanding to simply correct it all.  How bizarre!!  Now I'm in a place where I will apply a technique similar to what I have been using for my own understanding - identify the negative thought or emotion, call it "wrong" or "mistake" or something and replace it with something correct or positive.  Now I can identify her behavior as simply "wrong" or "damaging" and immediately sidestep the actual or psychological effects.


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I've heard of it countless times, but if you found some of it helpful, that's enough of a recommendation for me.

Cat's Paw - I had a hard time reading her book.  I chose not to read any of her exercises - they felt very surfacy to me, sort of juvenile and not at all deep reaching, but some of her material that was helpful was in those areas.  What did help was perhaps reading a book by someone with some knowledge who presented material in a way I had not encountered before.  I found her organization to be wholly lacking and that made it difficult to find what I was looking for. 

Something in me hates buying these books.  They never hit the bullseye for me and they usually engender a desire, really a compulsion to enter into a dialogue which is not possible.  But then again if there is some good that comes out of it then it seems worth it to me.  Whatever it takes to get some healing from this wretchedness.


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Re: deconstructing my mother
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2007, 07:15:29 PM »
dear GS,
   One book( and I want to do a drum roll) brought me out of denial. Malignant Self .Love by Vaknin. I read  the others that you were talking about and most on the reading list. This one is raw. real, and hits you in the way that an NPD zing does--- in the gut.
  I went on to "shock" I was dazed. I was sobbing. There she was --right there-in all the disgusting and sick ways that make her-- her. FINALLY someone captured her image. Finally, I was not alone. All the  sick, ,bizarre, and heartbreaking things that they do are described and elucidated here. I could NEVER have come out of denial without this book.
  It is the raw truth about NPD. . I thought that Children of the Self Absorbed and Wizard of Oz were surfacy ,too. They left you wanting to say,"Say it out already." Vaknin says it out .    Love  Ami
 
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Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2007, 10:06:50 PM »
Yeah I found that book quite jaring.  I found parts of it on-line and that's how I recognized my father.  I printed out passages and read them to my family.  I still didn't realize that N applied to my mother as well. 

It is an incidious disorder.  That's one of the tidbits from Brown's book - she writes that it is difficult to discern even by professionals and thats because the Ns don't want to be known, they are masters at hiding their defects, amazingly even from their own families.  That's still hard for me to understand.

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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2007, 06:48:23 PM »
Dear GS, resentment does not let me move on. I hope that does not happen to you.

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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2007, 08:14:17 PM »
Lupita, I spend many, many years eaten up with resentment.  It is one of the key dark residual emotions as a result of my upbringing.  However, I have learned to let that go.  I am profoundly thankful that resentment is no longer an "issue" for me.  It is not that I NEVER feal resentful but when I do I name it  and let it go.  I am so very thankful to be out from under the horrid weight of resentment.

I hope very much for you that you will soon be able to see that you can not ever change your mother,  but you can change the way you feel about her and feel around her.  One of the first steps towards that is to work on forgiving her for being a horrendous mother. 

Forgiveness is not about letting someone off the hook it is simply about letting ourselves off the resentment path.  It can be incredibly freeing.  I do so hope you can find that freedom in the months to come, you so deserve it.  You have lots of support and validation here.  Use this support to begin to let go of your need for your mother to recognize your strengths and your need for her to love you and apologize to you.  Those things may never come.  Believe it or not, letting those desires go is the first step towards true healing.  You can do it.  Many of us have and we will support you through it.  Think about it.  It is not worth the price you are paying now, to harbor resentment or even hope of her love.  Just think about it. - your friend - GS