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definition of a lie
« on: May 03, 2004, 12:42:16 PM »
Hi.  I found this on another board and thought it was interesting - could explain some of the unexplainable behavior that just doesn't make sense to the rest of us.  

The Definition of a LIE.

To a normal person, the truth is "what happened" and a lie is "what didn't happen".

To a Narcissist. the truth is "what surves their purpose or goal at the moment" . . a lie is what "does not serve their purpose or goal at the moment". This is their definition of the truth and a lie. They firmly believe that you (the normal person) have the same definition. This is why they have no trouble twisting the past, lying about their intentions or the future . . conning you. To them it's all the truth because it serves their purpose or goal at the moment. This is why they have no trouble changing what they said or did when it serves their purpose . . because anything that serves their purpose "IS THE TRUTH" BY THEIR DEFINITION. When they insist something didn't happen (when it did) . . . they know very well that "it did happen". But since "it didn't happen" serves their purpose or goal . . that is truly their truth. If your definition of truth is what really did happen . . you are at a distinct disadvantage (like working with one arm tied behind your back).
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Wildflower

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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2004, 01:30:51 PM »
Wow, visitor.  Thanks for sharing that.  :D

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sjkravill

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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2004, 02:32:59 PM »
hmmmm....

I am glad you brought this up.  I found this interesting and perplexing, as with so many N bahaviors/thought patterns. I wonder how much of this is really sinister, or if it is a natural progression for them...

Here is a funny example of this distorted thought.

Last week my N came home from work and said, "honey, I am tierd of cooking."  I just about burst into a fit of laughter... what?  cooking?  he never cooks!  Instead, I remained calm and said, "Why do you say that, dear?"
N said, "Well, you know, I am just so tierd when I get home from work."
I said,  "ummm... ok... well, I hear ya!"
(I pick my battles for energy's sake)
Now, where did he come up with the idea that he cooks???  And why?

I think it's the same idea, that Ns tend to project their own reality onto others.  Maybe if I believed his reality I would cook more (as opposed to getting chinese or eating out)????  who knows!  Clearly, he seemed to believe his reality.  

Another example is the way he projects his thoughts onto me.  So that if I have an opinion that is different from his he freaks out.  (how can she not be thinking/feeling what I am thinking/feeling?)

Or.... how he projects this idealistic image on to me, as his perfect wife.  I get praised when I fit his image, and completely berated when I don't.  The real problem comes when the image contradicts itself.  Like how N wants a strong woman...(and he does, he respects me even less when I don't stand up to him) Yet, simultaneously he really HATES  being disagreed with.  Suddenly neither of us can win, can we?!

It's utterly confusing. Just decoding things and realizing I am not crazy keeps me guessing!  On a good day I can scratch my head, or even giggle about it a little.  

Is this the kind of thinking and communicating an N's lie referrs to?

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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2004, 05:38:32 PM »

Or.... how he projects this idealistic image on to me, as his perfect wife. I get praised when I fit his image, and completely berated when I don't. The real problem comes when the image contradicts itself. Like how N wants a strong woman...(and he does, he respects me even less when I don't stand up to him) Yet, simultaneously he really HATES being disagreed with. Suddenly neither of us can win, can we?!


OMG - you just described the last 2 years of my life.  Scary.

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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2004, 06:58:23 PM »
Hello everybody,

This is really perceptive.  I realized that I was pretty naive in thinking honesty was important to everyone.   Just as I thought people were like ME (at least wanting to be honest), likewise Ns think everyone else operates just like them (to the Nth degree, ha ha) and they assume no one else tells the truth either.  It still bothers me when certain Ns assume I am lying until I can prove that I'm telling the truth.  

Also interesting: I read somewhere that the CIA defines white lies differently than civilians.  To the CIA, a white lie is an untruth spoken by one person (what we would consider an out-and-out lie).  A "black" lie is a lie spoken by one person but attributed to another person.  My NSIL did this on a regular basis.  

Food for thought, Seeker

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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2004, 07:19:31 PM »
I use this definition of white and black lies.

White lies are used to self-protect and/or not hurt others.

Such as, "You look great" I told my aunt who'd just had her breast removed and I was helping her get ready to receive visitors. When in  actual fact she looked like shit.

Or when my stormin' husband would say, did you remember to pay the cable TV bill. If I'd forgotten I'd still say yes, and then run off and pay it immediately. hahahahah Phew!  :shock: I don't care about this seeming deceitful. It was survival at the time for me.

Although now I say, "No, I forgot, you better go and do it." hahahahahaha

Black lies to me are all the rest intended for self-elevation (big noting, and exaggerating I put in this bucket) and to decieve, manipulate, put down and to hurt others. Lies are a form of stealing.

CG