Author Topic: Nice Narcissist?  (Read 22563 times)

nikto

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Nice Narcissist?
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2004, 01:45:41 AM »
This is my first visit to this forum, and what a relief to have stumbled on this thread! As others have written, the themes here are familiar.

My therapist has proposed that my mother has narcissistic tendencies. I'm having trouble resolving that description with my mother's incredible generosity and love, or something like love. She cared deeply about my education. She bought me a car in college. She is actually buying me a house right now. (She is well off, but only because she works hard, probably too hard.) The education I appreciated and asked for, but all else was solely her idea, and, frankly, I've always been pretty ambivalent--she and I hold such different values--and my ambivalence is driving her up the wall. She labels it immaturity, selfishness, and ingratitude. She will not respect the fact that I do not want to spend my time as she expects, and that I have the gall to think my preference should have any weight. And up until now I always thought, How can I complain about someone who does so much for me? She has always said she loves me; my dad's most frequent comment is, "You are so lucky to have such a wonderful mother."

But what a superficial interpretation! Love should be enabling, not destructive. Can her intention and effect be so disparate? Somehow she has not picked up on the destruction (years ago I was suicidal, I am recovering from an eating disorder now, my sister self-injured, but we both graduated from the top of our classes at top universities, so we're fine, right?). The craziness and vertigo I felt throughout adolescence were induced by regular repetitions of:

--"You have a depression, a chemical imbalance, and don't have a grasp of your own feelings." (She said this for years, long after my psychiatrist had vetted me and said I was fine.)
--"Your social life and personal life are always subservient to the needs of the family." (I had no social life and studied all the time. I am just now learning to ask myself what I want.)
--"I am the only one who knows the needs of the family."
--"Maybe one day you will see the error of your agnosticism. In the meantime, I am praying for you."
--"You are overreacting. You are too sensitive." (This followed any expression on my part of sadness or frustration over something she said.)
--"I understand you better than you do."

And I basically did everything wrong. I still do. In high school I put my backpack on the car seat with too much force. Yesterday (I'm 23 now) I had the front door open to let the breeze in, and I made the house "look like a tenement." She is the most critical person I know.

She demonstrates a very odd lack of empathy--though I'm not sure if that's exactly what it is. She worries about my sister and me all the time, has insomnia from it, but she has never apologized to me for anything in my life. A few times she has acknowledged miscommunication, and she admitted a few weeks ago that her own experience with depression probably colored her reaction to mine, but she never admits to wrongdoing or regret or distress at any pain she causes me. This could just be pride. She is very successful professionally, and her attitude at work colors her attitude to the family. I don't know whether this a superficial veneer or genuine denial of her ability to do wrong.

This may not be narcissism. Regardless, the type of abuse I've suffered seems similar to what I'm reading here. I have the deepest, most pervasive shame, which I'm struggling to lift. It's difficult now that I'm living at home again (fortunately, I'll be here only two more months!).

If anyone has any ideas about whether this is or isn't narcissism, or on any of the issues presented here, I'd love to hear them. I hope I've contributed something to the discussion. Thank you very much for your posts, pfuetze and others. Good luck.

Sarah

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Nice Narcissist?
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2004, 05:06:11 AM »
Hello Sarah, welcome! May I select a few things from your post that jumped out at me?

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She labels it immaturity, selfishness, and ingratitude

I know this is obvious, but people who do things out of love and generosity don’t expect anything back. She doesn’t sound loving or generous, she sounds controlling and very image-conscious.

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How can I complain about someone who does so much for me
I don’t see that she does it for you, she does it for some other reasons.

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She has always said she loves me; my dad's most frequent comment is, "You are so lucky to have such a wonderful mother."

My mother says she loves me too. But she doesn’t show it. Does yours? And your father keeps you in your place, making you feel grateful. He plays his part too doesn’t he?

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Can her intention and effect be so disparate? Somehow she has not picked up on the destruction (years ago I was suicidal, I am recovering from an eating disorder now, my sister self-injured, but we both graduated from the top of our classes at top universities, so we're fine, right?).

Please don’t mistake her apparent ‘good’ intentions. Her intentions are not good towards you. She doesn’t want to see the destruction. She wants you to be perfect, to prove how perfect she is. Anything that doesn’t match her image of her world (and it’s all her world, she can’t see anyone else’s) gets ignored, pushed under the carpet, am I correct? Terrible shame is at the heart of many Ns. I’m sorry that you and your sister suffered as you say. What awful reality lies beneath that perfect family image.

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“Your social life and personal life are always subservient to the needs of the family”

I’m sorry Sarah but my eyebrows shot through the roof here!  :shock: Wow what a comment, just WHO does she think ‘the family’ is if it’s not you????????? Does she think she’s the Don in The Godfather?!! I hope you can see the humour I’m trying to send you here.  :roll: That’s such a crass statement of your mom’s that you just have to laugh, say ‘come off it mom, I AM the family!’.

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She worries about my sister and me all the time, has insomnia from it, but she has never apologized to me for anything in my life.

Does she do anything to back up this worry? Does she talk to you and appreciate your feelings, your wishes, your needs? Does she try to help you solve whatever problems you have? Does she help you make choices in a way that affirms your own wants? I doubt very much that she worries about you. I doubt that she knows you well enough to know what to worry about. And that never apologising? Very typical of an N I’m afraid. I’m sorry but your mom does have several N characteristics. The most telling is a lack of real empathy.

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she admitted a few weeks ago that her own experience with depression probably colored her reaction to mine, but she never admits to wrongdoing or regret or distress at any pain she causes me. This could just be pride.

Oh. Can I say that this comment, about her depression, brings the subject back to being all about her? It negates your depression? After all it’s her depression that’s important, not yours….? And that word ‘pride’ masks a whole host of N traits. Pride can be very destructive.

Sarah, I hope I haven’t said too much. Has your therapist recommended any books to you? And I’m glad to hear that you’ll be out of that house soon. It sounds like a dangerous place! Welcome again.  :) P