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« on: June 02, 2004, 04:09:42 PM »
Greetings everyone,

I started researching N and working on my own stuff when my family had a major falling out about three years ago...the Baddie was someone who had married into the family, but we all knew part of the problem was my father's expectations for one big happy family, his need to play Patriarch while we gagged down dinner.

Now he is not working and it is absolutely astonishing to watch this paragon of independence deflate like a fallen souffle.  He wants someone, anyone, to wait on him hand and foot.  He is capable of caring for himself but he doesn't want to.  He doesn't want to be self-sufficient.  He doesn't want to be alone.  But he doesn't want to leave his cocoon either.  

I can't tell you how staggering it is to be told/programmed/brainwashed into believing that "you must learn how to take care of yourself" "You're on your own" in so many different ways and then see this guy insist on endless attention.  He is trying to manipulate everyone around him with his "neediness".  "Poor me." It's aggravating to watch it and it sends me reeling when I know that this is just an exaggeration of how he acted when I was younger.  It is all about getting everyone around him to meet his needs.  Period.  End of story.  Rather do what he needs to do, he would rather bully everyone around him into doing what he could do for himself.  And he won't put up with an instant of this garbage from anyone else.

I don't get what motivates him to behave this way, since if he was more pleasant to be around, he wouldn't be alone.  It is self-defeating to say the least.  It is also quite depressing to me to realize how he has bullied us emotionally since we were born.  What's weird or ironic is that even when we come around to visit, he is "alone" because he is so self-absorbed, it is like we are not there.  He just wants us to BE there but not have to interact with us.  How weird is that?

He just recently had surgery (nothing life threatening) and has successfully alienated the hospital staff with his endless demands.  Endless.  I know I don't sound very sympathetic, and I'm not.  Not because I'm jealous of a sick person for getting attention (like an N would) but because this is just a more concentrated version of what he does all the time.  Like a baby bird in the nest constantly cheeping, always hungry.  

I just had to get that off my chest.  Any observations are welcome.  Guest.

Anonymous

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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2004, 06:03:23 PM »
Welcome, Guest.

Your father is quite a classic case isn't he? He wants everyone else to be independent and self-sufficient so they'll take care of him. All I can say is, how old is he? Is there a chance he could die anytime soon?

bunny

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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2004, 06:09:04 PM »
Hello Guest.  This sounds like typical behaviour of someone with NPD.  The fact that he is your father makes it difficult to "get out and stay out" but don't let him suck you in.  It doesn't sound like you are fuming in this post and you seem to have an objective point of view - not taking it personally and/or stating it matter-of-factly.  Good for you!  Objectivity is a good step to peaceful acceptance of these people.

It is highly likely that he will not change.  Don't let him hurt you, though, or try and spoil your plans or attempt to humiliate or destroy you, your self-esteem, your confidence in any way.  If you ever start to feel this way, my advice is to immediately but up a border.  You CAN live without him.  Borders a necessary with people like this.  Good Luck.

And I know how frustrating and irritating it is to deal with him and his hypocrisy.  Find something meaningful in your life that grounds you when he gets really intolerable.
"No one's life is worth more than any other...no sister is less than any brother...."

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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2004, 06:10:38 PM »
I can feel for you. I could have written parts of your posting. I grew up with the same autohoritarian style father; everyone walked on eggshells when he was around. If we made a mistake or had an accident, even as simple as spilling milk, he raised the roof. He always said we did these things on purpose just to hurt him. He really thinks every thought or decision in our lives are completely encompassing him.

When I was 7 years old I sat at the dinner table next to my baby sister. I am left handed and she was starting to picking up food with her left hand. My father screamed at me that I was making my sister retarded by teaching her to use her left hand. He forced me to start eating with my right hand. Imagine how neat that was, and we were not allowed any spills, so I cried through each meal for a week. He finally told me if I wanted to be  retarded, I could use my left hand, but to remember that he had tried to fix me and I wouldn't listen to him. My sister is still lefthanded, and so am I and we have the neatest handwriting in the family.

Through research I have discovered we were simply his objects to admire, until we did not do things the way he wanted. Then we were the enemy out to get him. There was no real laughter in my house growing up except when my parents laughed at us when we got our feelings hurt, or when they made us cry from criticism. The children had to be quiet for fear we would get on his nerves.

He has since retired, after getting laid off from a life long job, and couldn't keep the next position because the new boss didn't bow down to him. He can't stand to be around anyone who cusses, drinks and smokes. He thought this guy did it just to make him mad. The world revolves around his every thoughts and moves. He now sits at home in his lazyboy with the remote in his hand complaining that the children do not visit him.

He's only 68 and drives to FL 2 times a year to visit the 'golden child', but cannot visit the other children. He blames me for going against his wishes when my family moved across the country for my husband's job. He thinks we did it just to be mean to him. When we have visited with our children, he sits in his lazyboy, heater going in July, acting asleep so he doesn't have to talk to anyone. Now that really makes me want to visit! Then when he wants something like a drink or snack, he yells for my mother to wait on him hand and foot. He has used us all as his servant all of our lives.

My mother is no better than him though because she does the same things only from a martyr standpoint. They are both screwed up and have banished me from the family because at age 40 I learned they were controlling parents and decided to find healing. I started with refusing to argue anymore. Then I refused to visit when they demanded. Then I refused to be hypocritical and send the mushy cards for holidays. This week I took the ultimate action and did something that I knew would anger them. I disobeyed a standing rule and destroyed something he had made for me years ago, and mailed it back. He views everything he gives as still his property, just as his children are his property. I admitted to doing things they are opposed to lie drinking and smoking. I have not heard from them since, and probably will not. But it made me feel good to finally step out and misbehave.

A few years ago my father had non-emergency surgery and was livid that I didn't show up at the hospital. I live 3000 miles away and did not get the message that he was in the hospital until he was home because we were  out of state on vacation. He got so angry about that and told my mother I was never to be told if he was sick again and when he died, I was not to be allowed at the funeral. He said if I wasn't good enough to visit when he was well and alive, I would not be allowed near him when he was sick or dead. The funny thing is, I WILL be at the funeral when that blessed day comes - I will be the one with the smirk on my face, anxious to celebrate! I finally wrote them this week and told them I had always been accused of feeling I was was too good to be around them, but the truth is that they have always told me how I was not good enough for them. I cannot stand to be in their presence because they demean, criticize, are negative about everything and tell me to shut up. They must be N and I am finally able to understand that I was ok, they are the ones with major problems. I know longer need to try to make them love me. They do not have the ability to love anyone but themselves.

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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2004, 06:11:57 PM »
Bunny,

I think you are very honest in asking about his and other N's, et.al deaths (mentioned in some other posts as well). You seem like a very straight shooter and don't mind verbalizing what many of us must be thinking......when are these freaking Ns going to kick?

It sounds harsh, but I've had my own fantasies about what life would be like without them. And maybe that's exactly the point.

MM

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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2004, 07:32:38 PM »
MM,

Some people need to just leave already. If dying accomplishes this, then I wish they would.

Ellie,

I hope his funeral comes sooner than he thinks.

bunny

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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2004, 02:18:32 AM »
Hey everybody,

Thank you all for chiming in.  I just sort of feel resigned and disappointed at seeing naked true colors.  Funny thing is, I think my father IS hoping to die before he gets much older.  He doesn't want to be old and that is what is depressing him.  Or, he is afraid to die and that is what is making him sick right now...either way, it's a lousy way to spend the time you have left.  He's very  morbid.

Bunny, he's a senior but not decrepid.  There's still a lot of wailing left in him.   :roll:  It's almost like he is playing the part of Old Man because he doesn't know how else to play it...it's so empty and lacking in imagination.  Perhaps that is my real beef!  

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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2004, 10:30:07 PM »
My father was an alcoholic N.  I have no fond memories of my childhood.  I was an asthmatic nervous child and always sick.  When my mom finally had enough and left him, the evil in him really came out.  Eventually we all decided to cut of all contact with him.  It was the best thing I ever did.  We were able to live our lives finally.
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