In my mind Lighter, the blame rests with the person that STARTED the entire thing, which in this case was YOU. You were politely asked several times to stop your behavior and you wouldn't do it. Sure once the brawl starts, anything is fair--that's just he way fights are, what in the world do you expect? Projection--sure, we all do it, me too, never said I didn't. But I will take only what I think belongs to me, no more. HOWEVER, abuse IS abuse, it's not just 'drama.' A flame war is a flame war. it's a fact of life. It's why I quit the male boards, it was continuous, unending, completely disruptive and unproductive. I did NOT like you introducing it into what I thought was a peaceful situation. (I was mistaken about the peace) I did not introduce the word 'hatred,' *I* was accused of it. See a difference? I don't understand your reference to criticizing posts I haven't read. What does that refer to?