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Gabben

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N Dream
« on: December 03, 2007, 08:58:38 PM »
Recently I dreamt that I was being held in a Nazi concentration camp along with others. At one point I recall seeing a Nazi gaurd in full attire walk past one of the female prisoners as she deceptively sympathized with a show of the salute and a "Hail Hitler!"

In the dream I savored the moment, relishing the safety that the deceptive act created, thinking how safe I was because that soldier could kill at any moment but as long as he thinks that she, the saluting prisoner, sympathizes with him than she and I are safe.

Any insights?

Lise

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Re: N Dream
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2007, 09:20:13 PM »
Can you explain more details and maybe what the details mean to you. It is too sketchy for me to help.         Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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Re: N Dream
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2007, 09:43:08 PM »
Can you explain more details and maybe what the details mean to you. It is too sketchy for me to help.         Ami


Well, the night that I had that dream I has been at my T office that day. He was mentioning about how babies cry and scream with intense anger and jealously when they are left alone or awaken. It is a continual process of mother going away and returning while they come to feel terror at their loneliness and my T told me that babies will feel guilt for having such strong negative feelings towards their caregivers when they do return.


Recently, I have been having emotional memories from when I was a baby. A couple of years back my mom told me that shortly after I was born she tried to commit suicide and was placed in a mental hospital. She tried to commit suicide because my N father was having an affair and she was trying to get his attention.  While my N mom was in the hospital a very kind hispanic neighbor looked after my sister and I. I can actually recall her holding me and caring for me with genuine love. She gave me baby specialness and helped to fullfill that need to be treated as precious. (She was a blessing from God, I'm sure).

After my mom got out of the hospital she and my father would scream, yell and fight.  I have been having the memories of the terror and aloneness that I felt while lying in my crib hearing the screaming and fighting. The hostile air was trauma on my pure little spirit.

I once asked my biological F why he left when I was three (I never saw or heard from him again until I was 15), he said because he looked at my older sister (age 4 1/2) during one of his fights with my mom, she was crying in her chair at the kitchen table, he said that he could not take seeing her pain so he left and never came back to us.

As I once said before, I was my mom's emotionless doll. I had to sympathize with her to gain her protection for survival.

This is only part of it though...There is something else coming up in me that feels like intense guilt and fear.

Lise



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Re: N Dream
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2007, 09:59:40 PM »
I am not "all here' tonight. Lise, add as many details as you can and I will study it ,tomorrow ,if you could. Love   Ami


((((((((((Lise)))))))))))000

No worries Ami -- I love you, I know exactly where you are at and I understand.

I just like writing this stuff out...Even if no one responds, it helps. Writing it brings up the pain and I can handle that, like my old T used to say..."stay with those feelings."

However, my new T had brought to my attention my tendency for mild masochistic behaviour (Which leads me to ask myself: is the pain that I am feeling generated by my desire to silently scream out to the world for recognition of how much I hurt?) I still smoke 1/2 a pack a day...hmmm this could be a entire new thread -- I'll get to that some other day.

Lise

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Re: N Dream
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2007, 10:15:27 PM »
Hi Lise,
That's a fascinating dream.

N and Nazi...both the Ns...

and if the theory that we are every element in our own dreams holds, then perhaps the saluting prisoner is your inner coN, and the you standing by is the you who doesn't want to join the toxic dance, but who is also relieved that the coN has distracted the N so you can survive...

Sure makes sense.
Do you feel dreams are gifts, sometimes...showing us our deeper realities?

(And sometimes just too much chili.  :))

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Re: N Dream
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2007, 10:12:57 AM »
Gabben,
To me it seemed obvious that your life has been like the Nazi regime... as long as you give in and do what is wanted, you can spend another day without being punished. Maybe this is too obvious an answer, but it is what jumped out at me at first. You have gone against what you believed in - the truth, in support of the N. And you did so unwillingly - like most of those of the Nazi regime. You are both glad to live another day and miserable at living in the wrong.
Does this make sense?
Love, Beth
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Re: N Dream
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2007, 12:01:53 PM »
Dear Lise,
  I will think about it more today and write when I get back. Some other people touched on  an idea for me. Maybe ,it is about "living with scraps" --not a whole existence. Maybe --it is about selling yourself short--just to "get by" and AVOID hurt--rather than THRIVE Just a thought.I will write more later 
                Love  Ami
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Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: N Dream
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2007, 12:05:11 PM »
(((sending love and caring thoughts to you))) may you find comfort in you... sweet loving Lise.  seasons
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Re: N Dream
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2007, 12:24:58 PM »
Gabben,
To me it seemed obvious that your life has been like the Nazi regime... as long as you give in and do what is wanted, you can spend another day without being punished. Maybe this is too obvious an answer, but it is what jumped out at me at first. You have gone against what you believed in - the truth, in support of the N. And you did so unwillingly - like most of those of the Nazi regime. You are both glad to live another day and miserable at living in the wrong.
Does this make sense?
Love, Beth

This is excellent insight, yes, it makes great sense especially this:

"as long as you give in and do what is wanted, you can spend another day without being punished." 

Smoking goes against my health and well being, it takes me away from goodness such as helping others without reward for self, or doing things that I love to do such at taking long walks on the beach or in the park, knitting, reading the stack of books that I am thirsty to read, baking and most especially spending time with friends and family. It also goes deeply against my faith convictions and I consider myself a hypocrite until I finally quit. Some people may think that I am being hard on myself but I want to experience a deeper connection to God and others in order to do that I have to quit cigarettes, who I am now going to call my fake friends or the Nazi's because I betray what is truth as you say in order to spend another day without being punished but ironically I am just still a prisoner who is simply like you say glad to live another day regardless of how unhappy it feels.

In the last year I have sunk so deep into my layer of infantile N dance -- this is insight that can lead to healing...

It leaves me with the question I can gently propose to my little inner girl and that is:

Am I ready to give up or mourn the loss of the safety, or disillusionment, of being a prisoner?

Thank you (((Beth)))!!! Good insight!!!!

Lise

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Re: N Dream
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2007, 12:27:38 PM »
Hi Lise,
That's a fascinating dream.

N and Nazi...both the Ns...

and if the theory that we are every element in our own dreams holds, then perhaps the saluting prisoner is your inner coN, and the you standing by is the you who doesn't want to join the toxic dance, but who is also relieved that the coN has distracted the N so you can survive...

Sure makes sense.
Do you feel dreams are gifts, sometimes...showing us our deeper realities?

Hi ((Hops)),

This is good insight too. I think it is right along the lines of what Beth said.

Much appreciated, it gives me something to chew on or to contemplate.

Peace,
Lise

(And sometimes just too much chili.  :))

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