If I'm neurotic and don't know it.... am I still neurotic?

[Gabben]

  What is happening is that my feelings and thinking are becoming "un frozen".It is a strange thing to descibe,but for anyone who has gone through it, they will understand.


Does anyone relate?     

 

Yes, I relate!   

Feeling feelings is OK. It is what we do with out feelings and how much we allow ourselves to be a slave to them that is problem.

During the holiday's I spent some time just observing my little one year old niece. She has some pretty powerful emotions, jealously when her siblings are getting mom's attention, anger when a toy is taken away from her. My sister let's her express and experience the full range of her feelings.  If the feelings are able to just move through or are just expressed then my little niece just moves on and gets over whatever it was that she was upset about. She will also outgrow her feelings as she begins to recognize that tantrums and negative emotions don't work and are not fun.


Today I felt about 2 years old as I was experiencing some old anger from way back when. I just let the emotion move through me. Eventually, as the emotion was getting unblocked, I was able to identify what the feelings were about at least in a general way -- old FOO pain stuff, the kind of stuff that keeps me down and keeps me hurting me. I'm still working towards forgiveness.

Lise

[Ami]

Powerful ,Lise. Thank you!               Love   Ami

[Lupita]

Responding to the initial post, if a person has hepatitis and does not know it, does she still have hepatitis?
how about cancer? How about a viral cold? Depression? The person has depression but does not know has depression, is she still depressed?
I wouls say yes.

[lighter]

I agree Lupita. 

100% and I know I'm talking about myself too.

[Lupita]

Thank you Lighter. I am sour right now. Sorry.

[lighter]

It's OK, Lupita.

I haven't been all sweetness and light myself.

[Lupita]

But I am not blaming others as Hopsy thinks.

Neurosis, has nothing to do with confronting your self, Ami.

Experiments with rats proved it. They can make rats neurotics by overpopulation in cages and they start eating eacg other even if they have enough food.

Over popuplation of more that 80% of the capacity of any container, church, hospital, ect, leads to neurosis. Just to talk about one of the one thousand causes of neurosis.

[lighter]

I think  you're quetioning Lupita and really seeking to udnerstand some things that bother you.

Very very frustrating spot but keep asking and seeking..... things get clearer after you stick with something long enough. 

[Gabben]

Neurosis, has nothing to do with confronting your self, Ami.

There is truth the above statement but I think what Ami is trying to say is that the way to overcome neurosis is to name it - face it etc.

The first step in getting well with any neurosis or physical condition is to first name it or diagnose it and face it.

[Lupita]

Any disease. You do not get treatment unless diagnosed.

That is not what this is about.

The questions was:

If I am neurotic and dont know it..... am I still neurotic?

a) yes
b) no
c) you have to confornt your self.

Tyhe answer is very clear.

[Gabben]

OK, thanks for clarifying.

[Hopalong]

But I am not blaming others as Hopsy thinks.

Hi Lupita,
I haven't been over to the other thread to see your response, but just simply here:

I didn't think you asked if you were blaming others for your happiness. I thought you asked whether you were making others responsible for it.

I interpreted (or maybe misinterpreted) that as, in your thinking, are you placing responsibility for your happiness outside yourself.

I don't think of you as a blaming person. I think you're very honest about your feelings and your struggles. I don't see you crying "victim". I just hear you suffering a lot.

And when you describe what you're suffering about, it does seem to be about the approval or response of others.

That's all. It's about the degree to which others affect you...or that was always true for me. Other people could affect me so much earlier in my life that I lived in near-constant anguish. It's only been in this decade of my life that I've learned I don't have to let rejection cut so deeply. It can still cut, but I have more self-protection than I did.

love,
Hops

[Lupita]

A few days ago I posted about how they brake elephants in some parts of Asia. They torture them, tie and chain them, when they are babies. By the time they are finish with them, the elephants do not run away even if they are brake free of chains.
They did experiments with cats, they put a cat in a very small piece and if move away, he got electric shocks. After a while, the cat does not try at all to move away even if you turn off the electricity.
When you have been treated in a way that end up hopeless, thinking that there is no door, and you stay where you are going to be damaged, you have been invalidated.
Also, when you are asked a question and you put excitement and thought and energy in your answer and your answered is ignored or you are not even allowed to finish your answer because the person changed the subject abruptly, that is invalidation.
Or when you ask something and you never get an answer, that is invalidation.
 
 
 Can you show me where is the question?

And I am not fighting or nothing, I am trying to stay and discuss, as long as you allow me. How can you allow me? By responding. If you do not respond-----------> extintion comes.

[Ami]

I don't understand your point, Lupita. Forgive me for being dense. Are you talking about being ignored , on the board?     Ami

[Gabben]

Also, when you are asked a question and you put excitement and thought and energy in your answer and your answered is ignored or you are not even allowed to finish your answer because the person changed the subject abruptly, that is invalidation.
Or when you ask something and you never get an answer, that is invalidation.
 
 
 

This is exactly how I feel after posting on this board.