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Re: The Passive-Aggressive Person
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2008, 02:01:10 PM »
Dear Laura,

Just want to say a big "Thank You" for this thread.

Which I have only come across right now, upon a search, as I was away from the board during this time in Sept/Oct'07.

The first page opening posting on:

Passive Aggressive person

is absolutely superb, as is;

> The Invalidator


Also, grateful thanks to Izzy, for;

ASSERTIVE------------------respectful
Self-confident
Self-assured
Confident
Poised


AGGRESSIVE--------angry   
Hostile
Belligerent
Argumentative
Quarrelsome
Confrontational


All of which, I intend to take a copy, for personal reference, as a life guide.

Grateful thanks.

Love, Leah
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Re: The Passive-Aggressive Person...a Godly slant
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2008, 02:29:16 PM »
The passive/aggressive personality is one of the most common psychiatric disorders. Its exact prevalence is difficult to estimate because of the number of subclinical and borderline cases and the number of cases with definite disability who fail to seek professional attention.

A passive/aggressive person habitually reacts negatively to the express wishes of others, but usually demonstrates this resistance covertly rather than openly. The term “passive/aggressive” implies two assumptions about the cause of this type of recurring negative behavior:
1. The individual is afraid, unable, or unwilling to express aggression openly; or
2. The person has a pervasive feeling of hostility toward others.

Well -- that surely is not me -- I am as direct as can be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
   
Passive/aggressive individuals are usually inwardly aggressive. Outwardly, they express their aggressive tendencies through a passive facade. Inwardly, they desire control over the events that affect their lives, but they fear that if they show this desire openly, they will be put down.

Sounds like N Saint!

Passive aggressives are consumed with thoughts of the people they want to speak directly too and how to engage them and how to get at them to tell them how they feel and what they really think since they do not know how to be direct or assertive, they use passive methods for example, on this board one passive method is using threads and postings as a way to tell someone something -- or target them....we all do it here.  

But what distinguishes the passive aggressive from the non-passive poster here is that the passive aggressive rarely opens themselves up and never really posts about what is really going on with them. They just keep posting over and over again threads about books and experts opinions and webpages, but never really saying why they are posting it, how it has triggered something or what their real motive is. It is not what they are saying it is what they are not saying.



This fear creates a strong defensiveness and outer phoniness, which eventually turns into anger. However, passive/aggressive individuals fear being vulnerable, so they repress their anger and express it in subtle, nonverbal, crafty ways.


I am afraid of people who say they do not have anger --- scary! That means they are sub-human? Even my beloved pastor gets angry and expresses it. It is not that we are angry it is how we manage the anger. To say that you never get angry is actually a form of passive aggression because what the person, "who never gets angry" is doing is actually shaming those who do get angry.[/b]

Until we come to grips with why we need approval from others so badly, we are likely to keep “stuffing” what we really feel and fail to be assertive. This leads to feelings of low self worth and confusion about who we really are. The stakes are high. It is important that we work on our need to please everyone all the time and the lack of assertiveness that this creates within us.

About three years ago, I left my spiritual director office, the good priest, feeling conflicted. I thought to myself hmmmm what is going on? So I looked deep within me and I saw that while in session with him I was seeking his approval, wanting him to approve of me. That was such a moment of clarity and healing. The next Sunday I went to confession and confessed the fear of not being approved of and the ways in which I had sought approval in the past. Over the next several months I entered a deep healing of memories, the times when I was a child, the holes I was seeking to fill because of my not getting enough approval as a child. I called myself an approval seeking junkie :lol:

But now,  because I gave seeking approval up, I can face things head on and I do not have to manipulate, I can be direct -- not passive. It is freeing!


Lise
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Re: The Passive-Aggressive Person...a Godly slant
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2008, 02:38:28 PM »

Also, from the references listing .... I intend to look on Amazon.com .....

Maloney, H. N. (1988). Speak up! Christian assertiveness. Flowertown, PA: Westminster Press.


As, that is of particular interest to me, in line with my current studies.

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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2008, 03:07:25 PM »
I think it's only really possible to be assertive if we know our own lives are healthy. When I was drinking for example I could not be truly assertive despite having the knowledge how to speak it- there was always some secrecy and shame hidden behind the words.

It's a lot easier to be open, honest and assertive.

For Christians Jesus said 'be ye therefore perfect as your father ( in heaven ) is perfect'. G_d to Jesus is 'pater' -father ( in ouranos, in Uranus, is how the Greeks saw heaven )

We sang a piece called 'Blessed are the pure in heart' in church sunday- 'for they shall see G_d'. In the Greek New Testament here we get theos not pater...with the wider meaning of 'whatever can in any respect be likened unto God, or resemble God in any way'.

For myself- I don't believe I can be assertive unless my life holds up before G_d ( however I conceive and experience that )

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« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2008, 03:12:01 PM »
ps I couldn't tell from the way this is written- my head is spinning, I've been on the computer too much this week- if it says you personally are passively aggressive Laura; I think we all can be sometimes though, it becomes a problem when it is our only means of self-expression of dissatisfaction or anger.

Love
~Write

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Re: The Passive-Aggressive Person...a Godly slant
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2008, 03:33:51 PM »
Ah Write, even if it did say I am passive-aggressive, I'm sure there are times I lean toward that way of thinking...it's human.  As long as it doesn't rule me, I'm good :)

Lise, I liked what you shared about anger.  I believe most people feel angry sometimes...in fact, it is one of the easiest emotions to feel for human beings and the quickest to resort to...the thing is, not all people express it verbally or physically.  Many bottle it up for a long time.

~Laura

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Re: The Passive-Aggressive Person...a Godly slant
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2008, 03:43:59 PM »
'to err is human' indeed...I just got a call from a party waiting for me to entertain them...and I'm here, at home, and got to take son somewhere at 4....just had to apologise and let it go; that's my biggest flaw- perfectionism. I hate it when I screw up!!!!

RIGHT- no more computer for me until Monday. Downtime is called for; it's such a beautiful day here today...

Love to everyone, have a good weekend

~Write


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Re: The Passive-Aggressive Person...a Godly slant
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2008, 03:49:21 PM »


The Continuum of the Emotion of Anger ......


Frustrated ...................... Irritated ..........................Annoyed ........................ Feeling Angry ................... Aggressive Anger
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Re: The Passive-Aggressive Person...a Godly slant
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2008, 03:53:10 PM »
EMOTIONAL REPRESSION

If you were raised in a family that was uncomfortable and confused about what to do with their emotions, and have not had an opportunity in your adult life to learn about your own emotions, you will have limited skills to assist you with emotional pain.

Some people believe they will be “emotionally well” when they no longer feel anything “negative.”

They have the mistaken belief that reaching the state of health means never feeling scared, angry, or sad.

The truth about thinking and emotional health is that it entails being comfortable with your emotions. To become emotionally well we have to learn to suspend judgment about our feelings as either good or bad, and accept them as simple human responses associated with living in this world in a body.


>> Hence, this valids for me, personally, my thoughts and belief, of living with the Negative and the Positive as a means of a healthy balanced life.

Surely, a healthy balanced life is how one decides to live with BOTH --- side by side, in the dealing with, working with, each aspect, accordingly.

Hence, being an integrated whole person.



Once you learn to not fear your emotions, you become free to experience life.

Because I went through many losses as a child and was raised in a family that could not teach me how to cope with my emotions, I started my adulthood with strong denial and emotional repression.

Subconsciously I believed that releasing my emotions would result in a complete loss of control and disintegration that I would never recover from.

Once I realized I had this fear-based belief, I was able to work through it, allowing myself to admit that I came from a dysfunctional family and to feel the emotions that went along with growing up with a lot of emotional pain.

As a result of opening up my emotional side, I found that my body felt less tense and I was taking more risks in life.

Doing this emotional processing allowed me one of my greatest joys in life, becoming a parent.

Working through our grief and pain as we come to accept our changed bodies puts us in a better position to be available to our daughters and granddaughters as they come into their womanly bodies.


Operating as an Integrated Whole Person

I understand humankind to be spiritual "beings" in physical bodies. We experience human, earthly life through our mind, emotions, and body. When we are using all of our entities we feel integrated and complete.

The order in which we respond to life is as follows:

an event happens, we formulate a thought about the event, an emotional response produces an energy form in the body, and the body reacts by releasing the emotional energy.

We have the capacity to feel four basic emotions: anger, sadness, joy, and fear (mad, sad, glad, and scared).

We have lots of words to describe our feelings, but they can all be traced back to those four basic emotions.


Irritation, annoyance, frustration, or rage are all forms of anger.


Each emotion runs on a continuum from mild to intense.

For example, a little bit of sadness may be called disappointment, whereas intense sadness might be expressed as devastation,

and a little bit of joy might be called feeling pleased, whereas a lot of joy could be called elation.


Searched and found this validating affirming enlightenment.

Truly Grateful.

Leah
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