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Lupita

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A question for Lea
« on: February 23, 2008, 05:49:59 PM »
Lea, you have very interesting articles. I was wondering if you had something about support.
You wrote about reciprocal support in another thread.
But, how can I do support?
What to say? How do you give support to a person?
A friend called me because his father died. I got paralized, and did not know what to do, what to say, despite the fact that I porfoundly , deeply, was sorry about his pain.
Also, how do you give support when you think that the person is in denial, living a lie with out knowing, or invalidate your opinion, or you think that the person is making a huge mistake?
How do you give support?
Are there rules to give support?
Like listening with empathy, I found very nice articles, like look in the eyes, not interrupt, reflect what the person said, etc. but about how to give support I have no idea.
Also, I grew up with out any support at all. I do not know how to give something I never recieved.
Any articles about it? books?
Thanks.

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Re: A question for Lea
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2008, 06:22:09 PM »
Hi Lupita,

I understand what you are saying, and likewise, due to my mother etc., I too had to learn how to engage in a supportive role.

I received training for a voluntary support worker  -- please don't think that I am mentioning voluntary for you Lupita !!!   :)

I have been trained in Listening and Supportive Skills for voluntary support work.    [that said I do goof up sometimes]

One needs to be Non-Judgemental as it is so very important.

Because, the moment the person senses that a supportive person is being judgemental -- then the person withdraws their trust. 

Love, Leah
« Last Edit: February 23, 2008, 07:28:58 PM by LeahsRainbow »
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Re: A question for Lea
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2008, 06:53:16 PM »
Genuine Empathy:

Questions or Queries makes a difference, as does Clarification, and importantly, ones Response,

which really does need to be mindful, thoughtful and genuine, and NOT glib, or patronizing or condescending.


> Queries:
 
"Can you tell me more about that?"
"What has this been like for you?"
"How has all of this made you feel?"

> Clarifications:
 
"Let me see if I've gotten this right ..."
"Tell me more about ..."
"I want to make sure I understand what you've said ..."

> Responses:

"Sounds like you are ..."
"I imagine that must be ..."
"I can understand that must make you feel ..."


Hi Lupita,

The above is a really good starting foundation for being supportive to someone with empathy for the person in their situation.

Because, as I have learned, that's all a supportive person is required to do -- offer support -- with a listening ear.

I was really quite nervous at first, in my role as voluntary support worker, though I did well in the training, the fact that I knew that I would not have the training manual with me on my first support session was reason enough to feel nervous!!!   

It went well, and I was most surprised!  And relieved too!  Afterward I received the realization that I was not expected to know the answers or offer immediate solutions -- I was just sitting alongside someone -- to attentively listen with empathy, engage with validation, and just simply be there, as a supportive person.

Yes, later on signposting suggestions may well be offered along with anything else as appropriate.

Important to remember: 

when giving support to someone -- you are accountable and responsible for yourself and what you say or do -- NOT the person you are offering support to. 

Give Support -- and Let It Go -- works for me.


>  Lupita, you mentioned the following in your thread post;

A friend called me because his father died. I got paralyzed, and did not know what to do, what to say, despite the fact that I porfoundly , deeply, was sorry about his pain.

In this scenario you could be a valuable listening ear to your friend as you tell your friend that you are deeply sorry to know that his father has had to leave him, and you sense the loss may be painful for him -- then gently ask him if he would like to talk about how he is feeling at the moment.   Then listen to what he says to you in response.   

Don't be surprised if he tells you that he does not want to open up about his feelings at this moment in time and share with you -- he may not be ready yet.  As to be expected, as a person in grief enters into a state of shock, initially.

Elisabeth Kuber Ross is a good website to learn how to support someone in the stages of grief.   There are other sites also. 

Hope the above is of a help to you.

Love, Leah
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Re: A question for Lea
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2008, 07:33:08 PM »
wow Lea, wow!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are great!!!!

I am going to look at that website. Will be back with more.

Thyanks. I really need help on how to be supportive.

But if you think your friend is making a huge mistake, you have to pretend, you have to fake?

How can you not be jusgemental when you disagree? You just say , sorry for your pain, but I disagree?

I dont know.

Your idea would have worked so well ofr my friend. I am sorry I let him down. If I had that information before, but it takes pain to learn, I guess. Now I have a few ideas.

Thank you Lea.

Does amybody relates to this?


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Re: A question for Lea
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2008, 07:40:34 PM »

You are most welcome ((((( Lupita )))))

Regarding ....

How can you not be judgemental when you disagree?   You just say , sorry for your pain, but I disagree?

Not sure what you mean exactly -- can you clarify with an example?

What is it?  Or scenario/situation?  Are you disagreeing with?

Thanks.

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Re: A question for Lea
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2008, 06:40:30 PM »
OK, I wanted to say something to GS and could not. How can I say that i feel sorry, just that?
I feel that sorry for your pain is not helpful. What can we say that is more meaningful?

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Re: A question for Lea
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2008, 06:47:37 PM »
I remember my grand mother, she was a sunday school teacher for 50 years. She said no matter what about you were talking,

"Jesus died for you in the cross, and what a horrible death"

Think of God, and that never gave me consolation nor made me feel any better.

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Re: A question for Lea
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2008, 07:31:16 PM »

Dear Lupita,

I feel that your grandmother meant well in her own way and understandably you may not have felt any consolation or comfort at that time. 

As for what to say, simply be a listening ear, if the person wishes to share with you how they are feeling.

If I were you and did not know what to say then I would simply ask a gentle sincere question such as  "how are you feeling right now?"  and be available to listen.  In real life interaction you could simply offer help and support, and to be there, available, with a listening ear, and comfort, in a gentle way.

Hope this is of help to you.

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Re: A question for Lea
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2008, 02:18:33 PM »
Hey Lupita:

I think everyone has a hard time with this.

From where I sit.... people want to be heard and understood.

Hearing words like: I bet your daddy was real proud of you and that he's at peace knowing what a wonderful person you've turned out to be.

THen you could share something about yourself.... about having a simlar experience, very short.

If the guy hear things like.... "I bet you really miss him" then they can talk about that for a bit.

Just genuinely being interested and present for him, will help, IMO.

Of course, if he fought with his father all the time or his father was a cruel awful person..... you have a diferent kind of conversation...... don't you?






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Re: A question for Lea
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2008, 05:38:18 PM »
Well, thanks Lihgter.

How are you today?

I was doing so well on my diet, and suddenly I just ate like a monster today, my stonach is going to exploit. Why did I do that?

So upset!!

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Re: A question for Lea
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2008, 06:12:04 PM »

OK, I wanted to say something to GS and could not. How can I say that i feel sorry, just that?
I feel that sorry for your pain is not helpful. What can we say that is more meaningful?


Hi Lupita,

I responded to your post regarding your grandmother, but, this post, I did not, as I was confused and did not understand clearly enough, sorry, I meant to say.

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Re: A question for Lea
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2008, 08:25:21 PM »
I'm doing pretty OK today.

Sorry you blew it with food but.... you start fresh next meal. 

I don't beat myself up for giving in.... I do it when I need to, and I need to a lot lately.

It'll settle down and I'll do better when I'm feeling better.


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Re: A question for Lea
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2008, 08:29:19 PM »
It'll settle down and I'll do better when I'm feeling better.


Does this mean that you are not feeling well?

How are you feeling?

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Re: A question for Lea
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2008, 08:36:53 PM »
Very tired, scattered and ovewhelmed. 

A little better but I've ben very down since Christmas.