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Kimberli63

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The basis of any relationship.
« on: March 02, 2008, 01:45:53 AM »
I heard Paul Potts, of mobile salesman to opera star fame, talking about his relationship with his wife. He has a degree, with  a philosophy component. My understanding of what he said about marriage was  very interesting. He said that his marriage consisted of three elements,  Paul as an individual with his own life, Julz, his wife with her own life as an individual, and a third component, where they are part of a couple, who do things together.

This started me thinking, and then a friend told me how he loved his sons as fellow human beings and as his sons.  He also said, his desire was to have a relationship, where two individuals, who had their own lives, connected as a couple.

Suddenly, I  realised what was wrong in my relationship with my mother. There was Pam, my mother, and Kim, a child but there was no mother-daughter relationship. She found it impossible to have this mother-daughter  because she thought she was in competition with this child. She didn’t see it as an equal relationship where we could share emotions and thoughts but rather she saw it as a relationship where  she had to dominate. Her own insecurity about who she was as a person made her think, that this child was a threat.

The relationship with my sister, was also based on her as an individual, me as an individual, and lots of jockeying for position in the race for affection from our mother. Other relationships, I have had show the same pattern, only two aspects are functioning. Besides the relationships with two Narc men, there was the relationship with my son, Nick.  There was no mother-son relationship, there was only Kim, the mother as an individual and Nick, the son as an individual. There was no mother-son relationship. However, since, I wrote him the letter telling him how much I loved him, and how I feared for his safety, if he continued to behave as he was, we now have a proper mother -son relationship. He hangs around the house a lot more, he talks to me about issues, and we both realise how empty our lives were, when we didn’t complete the triangle of mother as an individual, son, as an individual, and mother and son, as an entity.

I have been looking around at relationships, which work well and it seems that no  relationship will  flourish if only two parts of the triangle are complete.

Let me know what you think. I might be on the wrong track but it makes sense to me. It is hard to explain, I must admit.

Kim in Oz
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Kimberli63

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Re: The basis of any relationship.
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2008, 05:30:31 AM »
Thanks, Izzy, if only we has known but maybe there is a reason, we only know now. I don't know what that reason is, but I suspect in my case, I wasn't ready. In fact. I know I wasn't ready because when a friend wrote just a few months ago about  loving his sons as fellow men and his sons, I don't put too much emphasis on it. But now I know he is more insightful  than I am and he is a man!. Afteall woman are supposed to be more in touch with their feelings, aren't they?

Kim

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Re: The basis of any relationship.
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2008, 10:36:46 AM »
Dear Kim,
  I "get" what you are talking about .I "see" that a relationship has to be you as a whole and the other person ,as a whole. If you don't give yourself love and acceptance, you will be pulling on the other person, excessively. Them ,you  will start to have problems  in the relationship.
  That is a great insight, Kim !!!      Love   Ami
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Re: The basis of any relationship.
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2008, 10:45:44 AM »
Brilliant post, Kim (and Paul P... :))

Thank you!
That's such a clear but deep insight.

I'm so impressed with you.
And your son!

I am so glad glad glad.

You took a risk in writing that letter. It was outside your comfort zone. But you loved him enough to try to reach out of the silence and give him the kind of love that made him know that you care about what happens to him but also respect his separateness to choose. And that you choose to also respect yourself.

Good on you.
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Re: The basis of any relationship.
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2008, 11:54:28 AM »





Hi Kimberli,

You put into words things that have puzzled me for a long time.  You said it so clearly that even I get it!
Thank you so much.

I'm so happy for the way you mended the foundation between you and your son.

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Re: The basis of any relationship.
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2008, 12:19:34 PM »
I heard Paul Potts, of mobile salesman to opera star fame, talking about his relationship with his wife. He has a degree, with  a philosophy component. My understanding of what he said about marriage was  very interesting. He said that his marriage consisted of three elements,  Paul as an individual with his own life, Julz, his wife with her own life as an individual , and a third component, where they are part of a couple, who do things together.

Hi Kimberli,

I followed Paul Potts progress, from audition to acclaim, with awesome wonder.

What you have shared resonates with something someone explained to me a couple of years ago, that when two people are in a relationship, i.e. she was explaining about a marriage, that each has an individual worth and value, that is brought together in union as one, however, they are NOT joined at the hip!!

So each person has a value of integrity as a whole human being and should therefore be afforded time and space, to be an individual emotionally healthy person, in direct contrast to being; thwarted, stifled and enmeshed.

Many thanks for sharing and I am so glad of your new foundation with your dear son.

Leah x
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