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the rage and the unrequited love
« on: May 27, 2008, 01:26:10 PM »
I started this post as a reply to some recent posts by Ami and James on the 'My Mother' topic, but soon realized that it was too long and also going in another direction from that topic.  Inspired by the topics current on the board, though.


Thinking we were '"bad" was the safe decision,then, based on our home life, the only safe decision.
             Ami

Yes and also And I want to add that in my experience the abuser reinforces that.  My dad also agreed that I was bad.  Every single day I spend as a parent, I see more clearly how incredibly wrong that was.  And whenever I confronted the issue, because I did in many ways at many times, he disclaimed all knowledge, all responsibility, all memory, gaslighting, dismissing, minimizing.


Ami.........what I found about my rage/anger, is that it was a psychological defense protecting myself from the dangerous realization that I was not loved. IMO there simply cannot be a more devastating, painful reality for a child to face than this. True healing in many cases is about facing this.......Love, James

This describes exactly where I am now and I so much appreciate you sharing this insigh James.  I was furious all the time for at least a year from 2006 to 2007.  Now I am viscerally feeling the unlove.  Just this morning, I was overtaken with yearning for my parents love and affection.  It is really in my face these days because I have a 14 month old and every day I give him love and affection and nurturing.  And I am so glad to do it and feel huge commitment to him and to doing my absolute best.  But every day while I experience the happiness and meaning of this commitment, it brings to my awareness the reality of my own history.  This is what I was in denial of.  I lived a pretense of love.

And I have to say that because I lived a pretense, I find I was not able to seek love elsewhere or in other forms, because I could not/would not admit that there wasn't any.  So I can understand that to really come to grips with this unlove is very necessary to my future freedom and to breaking the pattern, because by denying this I fooled myself and had many friendships, and a couple of boyfriends, where I would not admit they were users - I refused to recognize, again and again, even right at the very time someone betrayed me or lashed at me to provoke a reaction out of their own issues.  I think the rage and then the actual experiencing of the unrequited love is bringing me close to the source of the frozenness and paralysis in living and loving that I struggle with and that I understand we all struggle with.

On rage, this weekend I was cleaning. Often, I become angry when I clean.  And I think of my grandmother and feel guilty and shameful, resentful.  And that's how it goes, for years.  And I think of her nostalgically and all the stuff she taught me about cleaning and housekeeping.

This weekend, the work that has happened with me on denial helped me break through to more insight.  I feel nostalgic because she is the only adult who ever took time with me to teach me things and check my work and instruct me in useful things.  Now I use that knowledge often.  And so I feel gratitude.

But I also feel resentment and fury, because she only taught me these things because she intended for me to keep house for my father.  She made it clear she had no use for me unless I served her son.  That was her one priority.  She told me she loved me as much as I took care of him, and only as much as I was his daughter, but she hated all in me that was from my mother.  The pain of the things she said to me, and the way she used me, and her expectation of affection and obedience from me, is white hot.  And my fury is commensurate.  And when I was cleaning on Saturday, I finally blew through the usual pattern and was able to be with and accept those experiences with her, and the intensity of the pain from the only adult who gave me something that was a useful skill of life. 

And you know, I would forgive her if she asked for it.  But not until.  If I could stand to let her speak to me.  And yet I loved her and love her.  But love and yearning for love in return - led to pain and more pain.  Always the coercion.  And always I had to act like there was nothing wrong.

Just think, if she had taught me with love, every time I clean I would re-experience that love and gratitude and feel happy.  I find a huge lesson in that.

But it is the experience of unlove in my dad that still almost is too conceptually huge for me to even grasp.  I feel it, but it is still as if my mind can barely process the reality.  I can cite many interactions that were unloving over many years, but still I want to say that he doesn't know how to show it but it is there somewhere.  But you know what?  It isn't.  It isn't there! Or he would find a way.

So okay.  It isn't there.  So why does he constantly come around acting like he should have a relationship with me?  Why??  Constantly, the possibility of backsliding into denial.

He has said again and again, and shown again and again, that he will not accept any responsibility as a parent, that I should never expect him to think of me, of my well-being, to be interested, to have a concern, to ever do anything he does not wish to do, to ever listen to anything that does not interest him, anything, nothing.  He has actually said 'I have nothing to give.  Don't  bother me with ANY needs or expectations.  You have a roof and food and that is IT.' 

So why does he THEN keep coming back?  And he expects me to act, for my part, as if we have a family love relationship and that I will be there for him when he thinks of me or wants something.  Honestly, I believe he thinks that because I am female that is my function.  But if I was male, my function would probably be to fulfill his fantasies of brilliance and achievement - so I am not saying it's any easier the other way, only different.

It is SO painful for me, that he keeps calling me.  It brings the current painful reality and it calls up the string of the past like dredging up a submerged rope in the water that is covered in weeds and seaweed.

Does anyone recognize what I am saying here?
Character, which has nothing to do with intellect or skill, can evolve only by increasing our capacity to love, and to become lovable. - Joan Grant

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Re: the rage and the unrequited love
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2008, 01:44:11 PM »
Early last month my son was put on an antibiotic because he had a raging double ear infection.  A couple days after the first dose, we were in the midst of giving him a bath when suddenly we noticed a rash starting on his legs.  We instantly thought of an allergic reaction to the meds, and called the after hours line to the pediatrician.  As it turned out, it was not a serious reaction and did not require a trip to the emergency room and next day we took him in and changed meds and everything was fine.

But what I learned in the middle of the experience, was that if he had broken out in intense itchiness, and experienced alarming sudden hives, and a bright red rash shaped like targets, then that would be a life threatening serious reaction and would require an immediate trip to the emergency room. 

Previously, I thought that breathing problems was the dangerous allergic reaction. 

When I was in college, I had strep throat and was prescribed penicillin.  I went home for the weekend to 'help my dad' with stuff.  Or just to visit searching for some affection and relationship.  Like my above post - I was living like the pretense was real - so there was what I said I was going home for and then there were the drives, driving me.

Anyway, while home that weekend, I experienced intense itchiness, then these huge hives - I didn't even know what they were - it was terrifying - like a horror movie.  My feet started to swell.

I was upset, confused, distressed.  I went to my dad, panicked and uncertain.  And I don't remember exactly what he actually said, but this is what happened.  He looked at me with this coldness, almost this vindictiveness that was detached.  And he shrugged.  He could not have been less interested.  He had some errand he wanted me to help him with and he had no time for my feminine hysteria.  I felt ashamed, guilty.  I put aside my foolish panic and helped him with his errand, all the while trying to find an artful and eloquent way to express that I really seriously thought something might be physically wrong with me, and perhaps if he could take a moment at his convenience to give the matter some thought, I would appreciate his opinion.

But I never did.  When we parted I asked him did he think i should go to the emergency room and I didn't know what to do.  But he didn't care and couldn't be bothered.   I thought - this must not be serious or important - but really I think we all know that I what really happened is that I agreed with him that nothing that could happen to me or with me would be serious or important.

And I drove 4 hours back to school in a state of suppressed terror, repressed hysteria, occasional tears which shamed me.  Next day the school doctor gave me a steroid to halt the reaction.  He was guilty too but that's another story.

And now I find, all these years later, that I could have died.  That if you do not seek attention when those symptoms appear, they can accelerate, then the breathing problems develop - then you can die.

I can't help it. I feel the urge to call up my dad and say 'remember this incident?  Well this is what was going on!'  As if that would change anything. 

Because it would change nothing.  It would change absolutely nothing.  It would NOT be a sudden revelation.  He would treat it like a tsk tsk shocking thing that happened to other people on the other side of the world.

Many times, particularly when I was young, I felt this question 'Does it matter what happens to me?'  Does it matter if I die? If someone kills me? If I am taken advantage of? Mistreated? Abused?  Hurt? In danger? In pain? Sick? Distressed?

That is what he taught me.

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I find it so distressing that I could not decide for myself to take myself to the emergency room.  It isn't just that I depended on his opinion for a life and death matter, and that his opinion was that he could not be bothered.  It is that I could not act for myself, unless he said I could or that it was right.

I don't even know what that is - that degree of being unable to know what I know or to act.

It isn't just the neglect, or the expectation of unreciprocal service, but that lesson learned too well of not being able to act as an individual.  To not say something is real until he says it is real.

And he would disclaim all of this and say that these are my crazy problems, that have nothing to do with him and he doesn't want to know about.

That is gaslighting right?  In multiple layers.
« Last Edit: May 27, 2008, 01:54:00 PM by Iphi »
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Re: the rage and the unrequited love
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2008, 02:02:10 PM »
(((((((((((Iphi)))))))))))).
I think Caller ID was invented for your father.

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Just this morning, I was overtaken with yearning for my parents love and affection.


They don't have any. Neither did your grandmother, who was grooming you for your submissive place in your father's orbit.

Iphi...yearning, missing the absence of something that was never really present, is so painful...and so understandable. THEIR love and affection doesn't exist or is so crippled that it would not bring you health or sweetness or comfort. You know, those things that ACTUAL love brings people.

Yearning for love is human, and now, you must go out into the world to find it. Genuine love and affection is all over the place, knitting the world together. There are so many ways, communities, groups, opportunities to get to know people at a level that allows actual present and available love to nourish you, just as your love nourishes your children.

I am so sorry they don't have it. Don't know what it is. Won't ever be a source of it. That's reality.

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Re: the rage and the unrequited love
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2008, 02:36:59 PM »
Hey Iphi -

my recent encounter with my mom brought up similar stuff - though more sadness than anything else, I think.

Working through this yet again - I've come to the opinion that for me, my fixation on trying to so contort myself to gain approval and love from my parents has been a total waste of time and has blinded me to the other relationships I have that are fulfilling; are responsive; are what I want/need. My parents made very little effort to have even a pretend relationship through the years - EXCEPT for continuing to dump negativity on me (my mom)...

That's how I function for her: a place for her to vent all her negativity. Wow, gee - thanks mom! Can I have some more??? :: sarcasm ::

Could be your hives back then, were your psychosomatic way of expressing this need for real parents; of dealing with anxiety. I know mine were.
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Re: the rage and the unrequited love
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2008, 04:08:48 PM »

It was really helpful for me to post these things.  It's a relief to share the penicillin allergy story here.  It is hard for me to believe my own experience, even now. 

It is a huge relief to walk away from these relationships, large and small (the primary ones and the imitative ones with friends and partners).  When I broke up with my first dreadful, exploitative boyfriend, I realized that although I felt the loss of him physically, I also felt a deep seated relief and serenity that was all about his absence.  You know how it is said by those who know, that we repeat the primary relationships in an attempt to heal them - I think they can help us build strength through learning.  Like it was easier to give up a first love/boyfriend at a time when it would be impossible to even begin to think of walking away from the enmeshed family relationship that is what really, really needs to be walked away from.  Baby steps. 

I knew even as a teenager that 'what I needed was detachment.'  But detachment is a really tall order from deep enmeshment.  There's a lot of learning from one place to another. 

Thank you so much Hops and Phoenix for your moving words.

Hops, yes I am so happy to walk forward, less encumbered than before.  Able at least to walk forward.  I am experience love relationships now, in reality, not without their difficulties and daily thingies, but I am deeply grateful.  However, I still have everything to learn about many different love interactions at all sorts of levels.  Friendships, one time relating, community, to peers of my son, all different levels and kinds of relating.  I feel very small and ignorant, because I am, but also excited at the learning before me.  Though also, aware of how little I have to offer, and how great my shortcomings - it is very true - not going into those details at the moment - a separate post.

I know you will walk along with me too, though rather up ahead!

Our land line is mostly disassembled so our tot can play with it, conveniently eliminating many phone calls.  He infrequently calls my cell, but I rarely have it at hand any way.  I try to follow my policy of putting preparations in place before calling him.  Having my family near me, being out for a walk or having another near at hand reason to get off the phone.  Actually, have not talked to him in months.  But the pretense continues intermittently.  Probably always will until somebody passes away.

Our people of the FOO, have their own journey.  I would have given everything to spare my Dad from taking that journey - because it's mad and disastrous and stupid and awful.  However, it's not my journey to take and in my personal belief, he will learn and he will grow too.  It's not my responsibility though.

I would have said for a long time, it's wrong to walk away.  But I find that it is not.  I never would have thought that, back in the day.

Hey Iphi -

my recent encounter with my mom brought up similar stuff - though more sadness than anything else, I think.

Working through this yet again - I've come to the opinion that for me, my fixation on trying to so contort myself to gain approval and love from my parents has been a total waste of time and has blinded me to the other relationships I have that are fulfilling; are responsive; are what I want/need. My parents made very little effort to have even a pretend relationship through the years - EXCEPT for continuing to dump negativity on me (my mom)...

That's how I function for her: a place for her to vent all her negativity. Wow, gee - thanks mom! Can I have some more??? :: sarcasm ::

Could be your hives back then, were your psychosomatic way of expressing this need for real parents; of dealing with anxiety. I know mine were.

Amber, I so identified with your situation in your mom's recent call.  Individual and yet lots of overlap.  And what you say about the futility of contorting yourself, I recognize with every molecule of my being.  I have been trying to shape myself outside-in for a long time, and also running up against incredible resistance to that. Yet I had always felt there was no other way: "Just tell me what you want me to be, to do."

Now I realize I must go from the inside out.  Don't know how, don't know what will happen, where it will go.  But the other way does not seem to work ever.  That's all I know.

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Re: the rage and the unrequited love
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2008, 04:30:05 PM »
Iphi -

for me, that "way" was learning to listen & watch for my "self" - the real me. This takes time, sitting, waiting... being quiet enough (turning down the mental chatter) to hear the real voice. It's surprising what's been just waiting for a chance to be listened to...

I still need to do this - though not for the extended time periods I used to.
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Re: the rage and the unrequited love
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2008, 05:36:31 PM »
Dear Iphi
 I want to applaud your courage in sharing so deeply.I am on the same  journey to 'feel" my feelings, not intellectualize, which I have been doing, and not knowing it.
 It is scary, but staying the same is more distressing.
  I found a "healing friend", someone to share the journey with me, in all its ups and downs, someone I can be  real and safe with.
 This stuff is too scary to brave ,alone.
 Have you read "The Primal Scream" by Janov?
 He explains so much, so clearly .
 I think you are feeling and expressing the type of deep pain that will heal you.
 You have always been an inspiration to me from day one until now.
 I am so happy to walk along side you as we journey to wholeness.   Love   Ami

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Re: the rage and the unrequited love
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2008, 08:41:05 AM »
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It is SO painful for me, that he keeps calling me.  It brings the current painful reality and it calls up the string of the past like dredging up a submerged rope in the water that is covered in weeds and seaweed.

Does anyone recognize what I am saying here?

Yes, I do.
Iphi... so often, I've felt this way about the weekly mailings from my parents.

It can be horrible, like a living death.
OR - it can be cleansing, if I'll view these notes as opportunities to walk through the valley into healing.
That's my choice... not theirs... and that fact alone gives me plenty about which to rejoice.

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So why does he THEN keep coming back?

Because he is all about appearances and this is how he reproduces the vapor of his illusion. A magician might use dry ice to create "smoke"...
NPD picks up a pen or a phone or a computer keyboard and reinvents self repeatedly.


 
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And he expects me to act, for my part, as if we have a family love relationship and that I will be there for him when he thinks of me or wants something.  Honestly, I believe he thinks that because I am female that is my function.  But if I was male, my function would probably be to fulfill his fantasies of brilliance and achievement - so I am not saying it's any easier the other way, only different.

I'm so sorry, Iphi. He expects you to react like an inanimate object to his whims. React only, per his desires.... never respond.
Male or female, it matters not... not when you're inanimate (after all, NPD is the Source of all Life in his own eyes, and everyone else is simply a prop).


Maybe you are waiting for the day when you're no long fazed by all this... I don't know.
I think that's what I saw as the truest sign of healing...
as though a time should come when I'd not feel anything about them and their destructive phoniness.
But then, how cold would a person's feelings have to grow in order to reach such a goal? Now I don't even want to go there.
So I'm working on using each contact (letter or call) as an opportunity to be thankful for the eyes that I have,
and to use those contacts as reminders that it's the love in my relationships with own family and friends which will stand.
This outlook is shifting my entire perspective...
so that I'm no longer waiting for a single, solitary thing from those who have nothing to give.
No recognition, no change, no turnaround... only more of the same... and I can live with that. Live and thrive... with that old cord severed.

You can, too.

NPD's are legends in their own minds, not in ours.... not if we won't allow it. T
here is so much pain within the realization of how absolutely irrelevant you've been to someone for a lifetime, I know.... but it's not an endless pain.
There is a greater Love in which we may abide.

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Re: the rage and the unrequited love
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2008, 11:25:50 AM »
Iphi,

Have you read When Things Fall Apart by Pema Chodron?

Seems to me it would help with that dripping rope.

love you,
Hops
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