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Hopalong

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Where do we live?
« on: June 01, 2008, 12:28:19 PM »
I just had a thought that really gave me a blast of something hopeful. I haven't thought it long enough, nor all the way through. I know it does not mean that I don't prefer to stay here, to have things work out so I can. But I also realized all of a sudden that this thought will change a lot of things if I keep thinking it.

(It's one of those D'uh thoughts, but in my personal case, it illuminated stuff and lifted away stuff.)

Anyway, my thought was just:

I live in myself, not in a house.

I think my habit of becoming paralysed and not taking care of paperwork and letting clutter pile up and take over has everything to do with thinking I live in the space, that I am the servant of the space and secondary to it -- the space is what matters, not me.

Whereas if I live in myself, then I will address the space as outside of myself. Right now, I think I'm letting the space I live in be ME (no boundaries!!). So all the disorder and fear and clutter...that's me.

But if I live in myself, centered in my own being, it's not so bad in there. In me, there is space and beauty and hopefulness.

Just struck me, the absurdity of how much I love to watch home decorating shows, and how often I daydream about Zen-like spaciousness and peace, and warm welcoming parties. None of which are possible in the current clutter.

So if I relocate so I am living in myself, then I will take care of the space around me as a form of hygeine that one just does. The way one clears ice off a windshield of a car in order to see, or wears clothing to avoid the elements. It needs to be that basic, I think, for a while, my attitude to the house.

I need to stop fantasizing about it. I need to just attend to it as one of the hygeines of living.

I live in me. My conscience is pretty clean and orderly. My mind isn't too cluttered. I know what I love. I know what brings joy and health.

So I live in me now.

That will help me deal with things outside of myself whether it's a house or relationship or community or job or whatever. All of these have the potential for love, creativity and happiness. But only as long as I'm living in me.

I don't know if things rings bells for anyone, but it is the first thought that's come to me in days that makes me feel hopeful again.

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Hops
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Re: Where do we live?
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2008, 12:56:43 PM »
Very insightful, Hops.

I know a T that had her clients put their lives in order, organize business and personal spaces.... before they begin work on anything else.

It makes sense that our space is an extension of our inner selves.

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Re: Where do we live?
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2008, 12:57:45 PM »
Yes, Hops,
I think you clarifid a thought that floats around in my head a lot. I am also transient in homes (much like the shell of a hermit crab). Iam the part that comes out of the shell after it has grown and runs to the next shell (and hopes it is pretty and comfortable).
I think I am where you are now as I am now focused on keeping myslef healthy, on enjoying each day and not stressing too much. I appreciate what is near me as that is what affects me (the actual me).
I dream of being organized, decorating, etc. But that is just icing :)
Gotta run.
Lots of love,
Beth
"There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable." Douglas Adams

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Re: Where do we live?
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2008, 01:21:28 PM »
Lighter...
I love what that T did, makes so much sense.

But actually I think I'm doing the opposite of seeing the space as an extension of my inner space. Because I've had such porous boundaries, I have overpersonalized the space I'm in.

I think I am trying to express NOT seeing it as an extension of myself, but as just a physical reality around me. Trying to drain it of having so much emotional significance that I fear it, can't control it, don't attend to it.

I am living in me, means to me, all is well inside myself. And moving things around, putting things away, taking care of clutter...that's just physical life in a hygienic routine.

It's not about me. It's not an extension of me.

I live in myself. I don't live in the space.

(Sounds backwards to a lot of health theories, I realize. But it's a quirky way of looking at it that, for me, is offering some energy and hope.)

If it's NOT me, then it's not so overloaded with significance that I feel incapable of doing it justice.

It's not alive. It's a building. It's space.

I live in me and I can just take care of the space around me the way somebody feeds a pet, waters a garden, turns off a light.

I'm sure it's not coming across very well.

At some future time I know I will be ALL about making the space "me".

But in my current situation, it feels better to change my focus. I don't own this space and I don't know that I can stay here. So what are my options?

It's feeling right to say, detach. DON'T tell myself this space is me. Tell myself, it is not me, it is only space.

Hope I'm making sense.

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Hops
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Re: Where do we live?
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2008, 01:36:57 PM »
My take on this is..................I have lived in six homes over the years.  Not that I needed to.  The last three houses were fine.  But I always have in my mind that if I move, my life will get better.  I am always searching.......searching for peace and contentment, etc.  My doc tells me "where ever you go = there YOU are...."  So if you do not take care of who you are, the same problems will come with you.....
Kelly

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Re: Where do we live?
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2008, 02:36:39 PM »
I think that any space you occupy.... is part of you.

Maybe too much a part but we need to feel safe and secure somewhere. 

Ouch.... do I identify space with comfort and security too much too?

That we may feel comfortable in our skins, wherever we are...... would be a good thing.

I understand what you were saying with your OP, I'm not really able to relate quite now.

I'm living with the mantra "home is where the mommy is."

Learning to live without roots, in a space that isn't ours.

You're right..... home is in our hearts and minds.



I can't wrap my mind around it comfortably right now.

Sorry.

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Re: Where do we live?
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2008, 03:58:42 PM »
Hoppy, Gratitude, Overcomer, Lighter-

Thank you for your insights on this thread. This issue is painfully at the fore for me now, with OSC coming up- Bagworm wants to force the sale of the house (so he can get rid of the proceeds before the settlement, etc) I have pets and a fixed income, am disabled, and my savings were drained by Bagworm...It seems so hard to find something and relocate quickly if an injustice occurs. I might love to move to another state for my safety , etc but on my terms- seems very hard without money , etc on someone else's terms.

The Izzyfying process has helped, it would be so much easier to leave now that when I had more doo-dads and flub-dubs. I guess that when I get a block of time, I should continue the process.

Thank you for sharing your struggles on this issue- I don't feel so alone. Hoppy, you are so brilliant and have so much going on spiritually and in every way. Your generosity in giving info and showing your path really helps. I just know that you will be finding what works for you.

Love You,

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Re: Where do we live?
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2008, 04:14:20 PM »
Hops,

I have felt that way (living in me) the rest is space for about 20 years now.  I like to feel secure and safe within my home (roof) and I can do that where ever I am and still have my roots. I can have 3 bedrooms or 6 and be in another state.  I can have a mess and not feel like doing anything with it at the moment and Not and never feel it defines me.  It's not me, it's just that I don't feel like it. That is all.  It gets done eventually. 

I had lived with my mom even after I had children I went back.  When she died I could have bought my sister out and felt sad that it wasn't going to be in the family anymore.  I had very strong feelings about letting it go.   I took my MoMs bedroom set that I always wanted and it's sentimental  to me.  So my memories, my roots, are where ever I plant them.  They don't go away.

Oh Hops, when I moved I even took some of my Plants.  I dug up their roots and replanted them in my new home and they just keep getting bigger and bigger growing and as healthy as can be. 

Yes Hops home is within our hearts and minds.  As long as you have that you are home anywhere. 

Light that is very true *home is where the mommy is*   I can guarantee you if you had to set up house in a Cardboard Box with cut out windows and drawn on curtains and flowers against the outside with crayon's, Your children would have picked living with you and loved it then a Mansion with a Pony because they were with you. 

My children never once ever felt anxiety when I moved in with my Mom and out of my Moms to another State.   They always felt roots just be planted in a new space but roots they had.  They always felt home.  Home could be at their Aunts, My moms, my cousins, my friends (not the house or the location) but within themselves and the other people.

But my space I where I lived I can say was a personal part of me, in my memories, in my childhood, teen, married  and still is in my Memories which had to do with my roots.  So I moved and they came with me it still is personal to me (in memory) and still with me, like I said, even my plants (for real) and I'm home. 

I don't know if I would have even thought this way honestly if I did not have the experience I had with my ex.  I really do think (IMO) that although it was hellish and traumatic I came out with something I may have never realized and as crazy as it is going to sound it was to my benefit and a Great Learning experience.  Of course I didn't feel that way till things settled down and I felt more relaxed and thought  :shock: so this is whats its all about, I have less,  I am in a different place and I'm Happy cause it was always in my heart/my home/my memories/ my own skin and mind. And that can be replanted in any Space you go to.

 

I always like to talk about this.  I really mean it when I say you can be happy more happy then you have ever been when you find out that it is all about your heart when you let go of possessions and space. You might think I'm crazy but I learned so much from my experience and it was a good lesson learned. 

Hops you should fight for your house. It is something you want and I do think you have a good chance.  If something is to happen and it does not work out the way you want it, your memories, your roots, will just be replanted in another location because they lay deep within your heart. 

Love
Deb

 

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Re: Where do we live?
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2008, 08:07:53 PM »
Hops..... did you ever have that chat.... with your mother's caretaker?

The one who witnessed your brother's changing of the will?

Seems to me your mother might not have been in her right mind during a time of surgery and drugs.

Sorry to bring this up if you already splained it but.... it crossed my mind that the caretaker may have some information for you.... if you haven't already asked.

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Re: Where do we live?
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2008, 11:21:29 PM »
Hi Deb,
Thank you so much for that...I know you are right.

Changes,
You hold on and I'll hold on and somehow we'll celebrate when the pressure's off.

Lighter,
I can understand ... we are in different spaces/places ... the Mom thing, that is home. Wherever you are with the girls, home.

xo
Hops
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Re: Where do we live?
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2008, 11:54:29 AM »
Hops, it's brilliant!

Wonderful realization! (Can you please, teach this to my hubby????)
Success is never final, failure is never fatal.