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KarmaKat

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VERY IMPORTANT!! Esp. if good life, but still bad rltnshps.
« on: September 20, 2004, 03:35:34 PM »
ATTENTION:  If you have had a lot of bad relationships, (or even one) PLEASE, PLEASE read this and then respond to me:

BE ADVISED: If you have had a really hard childhood, there is a chance that this will not apply to you...however, if you had a good childhood, and this page did not help and/or THIS is more like you: please, please read this and write me back.

          I met a girl a few days ago at work, and talked to her for hours.  Turns out we are both in bad relationships and have been for as long as we can remember.  We have both been trying to leave our significant others, but did not have the courage, as we felt we were alone.  However, after talking to one another, we were both actually inspired to leave, but still needed a little push.  So today I was just surfing the internet to possibly find some information on helping us gain some self-confidence.  I came across this page, and as I began to read I became disgusted.  Like I said, I have been in about a thousand bad long-term relationships, and it had nothing to do with anything listed on this page.  I am not meaning to discredit anyone, but I know from experience and the experience of my new found close friend exactly why this DOES happen.  You see, people who chose bad relationships one after the other are not grieving or messed up from their past, or even doing it out of a pleasure for abuse.  And to be perfectly honest, it is not even that we chose bad relationships.  You see, this is not a choice, it progresses in time.  What our problem is, is that we are "too nice," and worst of all, we have a deep, underlying fear of being alone.  Every relationship I have been in, and she as well, has progressed the same way.  We begin by starting the relationship.  In the relationship we give everything we have of ourselves, and do not even concern ourselves with, well, us.  We do this absolutely whole-heartedly and for the first few months or so, it's perfect.  The guy is great, and we are happy that he is happy.  Then he subconsciously begins to take advantage of the fact that we will do anything to please.  It gets worse, and worse, and worse, and worse.  Then, when we begin to stick up for ourselves, he is appauled, and wants to know why we are cheating on him, or want to leave him, or why we are becoming a bitch, etc...  And since he has gotten the idea that we are the perfect girlfriend, since he can get whatever he wants, and/or do whatever he wants, he begins to turn psychotic about us leaving him.  So he must know where we are, and what we are doing at all times, that is providing we are at work or school or at our parents (sometimes even debatable).  (And...most always, he becomes abusive in one or more forms.)  He also starts getting adamant about us not even having girlfriends, because if we hang out with any other person besides him we might muster up the courage to leave him, or even just tell our friends what he does which will in turn lead to us eventually leaving.  After it gets to a certain point, we are completely fed up, but there is one problem: He has isolated us so much that we have lost all contact with friends, family, co-workers, etc... and now we have no one to turn to.  And because of this, we feel completely alone.  And after one bad relationship after another, we develop this underlying fear, that we may not even recognize at all, of being alone.  We cannot stand the thought of not having that person (whoever they be) to talk to whenever we need, even if he is abusive, he is "there."  It becomes so frustrating that the very next guy that comments on  he sees what a great girl we are, and everything is perfect because we walk on eggshells to make him happy.  See a pattern?  I am beginning to realize why this haliking our hair, or thinking we are nice becomes our new interest, and we are suddenly stricken with them.  As soon as this new interest sends one sign our way, we begin talking to him, and soon muster up the courage to leave the first guy, since there is a new one to talk to when we need.  He is so nice, and we give everything of ourselves to him so thatppens, and how it can be prevented, and what to do if you are in the same type of situation.  If you are in need of any kind of help, or are even going through the same type of situation, PLEASE, PLEASE, email me and let me know your whole story.  I promise I will write back as soon as I receive it.  Also, if you have AIM (AOL Instant Messenger) let me know in your email what your Screen Name is, and I will contact you that way.  It is very hard to be in this situation, or any like it, so I really, really want to talk to some others who are going through, or have gone through a similar situation so I can try my best to help them...not to mention Jessica and I. : )    I also believe I am going to start an online place, somehow, just for these particular (well, and other) types of victims.  This is torture, and I want to get out, so let's all stick together.  Please email me:
missworldk@walla.com

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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2004, 04:33:37 PM »
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I came across this page, and as I began to read I became disgusted. Like I said, I have been in about a thousand bad long-term relationships, and it had nothing to do with anything listed on this page. I am not meaning to discredit anyone, but I know from experience ...



Why are you disgusted?

and:
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If you are in need of any kind of help, or are even going through the same type of situation, PLEASE, PLEASE, email me and let me know your whole story. I promise I will write back as soon as I receive it. Also, if you have AIM (AOL Instant Messenger) let me know in your email what your Screen Name is, and I will contact you that way.


Why not just join in the discussion here?

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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2004, 06:32:05 PM »
This doodad sounds kinda fishy.

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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2004, 06:41:47 PM »
Hi Karma Kat,
I am not sure about website you came across that disgusted you, but I certainly can relate to the process you described.  

An emotionally (or physically) abusive relationship happens very gradually.  It happens so gradually, that it is insidious.  You don't realize the damage it inflicts on your sense of self until you are way past an easy out.

Actually, in my case, I knew it was damaging me at the time, but only in retrospect, do I realize just how much I should not have tolerated.  I think I was in denial at the time.  I imagine, if it were to happen again, I would stick it out again... Because I may be relatively strong and confident, but this kind of relationship wears away your sense of self like water dripping on a rock.  So gradually.   And by the time you are isolated from your friends and family, you are totally dependent on him.  It takes amazing courage to leave.  

He may also be dangerous.  As you mentioned, he feels most threatened if he knows he is losing control over you.  

My advise is to get some help.  Many battered womens shelters have counselors who will see you for free, and emotional abuse counts as violence.  

Keep telling your story.  It will validate that you are not crazy and that you don't deserve to be treated badly.  It will also validate to other women that there is no shame in this.  Telling your story is one of the most important factors.

Make a plan so that someone always knows where you are, so you have a place to run to, so you have clothse in your car...
Then Get out!!!

Then, Stay Out!  You might be afraid to be alone.  But facing that fear will make you stronger. You have friends and family to rely on. If you don't face your fear of being alone, it will happen again.
When you are alone, start accepting yourself... Find ways to build your self-esteem, and love yourself.

Then, maybe years later you will be ready to be in a relationship again.

The most important factor is support, throughout the whole process.  
Peace to you, sister.

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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2004, 05:14:43 PM »
KarmaKat,

It appears that you know the pattern you are repeatedly in, in relationships, very well.   You know how it goes from start to finish, and have explained it nicely.

You probably have enough information to begin to avoid it, meaning to stop starting relationships by giving your all at the cost of yourself.  Start them off on more equal ground.

Are you able to do so?  If not, what is holding you back?  

Doing it would break your pattern and give you a different kind of relationship.

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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2004, 07:23:53 PM »
Karmakat:  I am not sure you don't have issues in your youth.  Maybe not N issues but some kind of insecurities if you constantly choose those kind of men.  I have N issues and get myself into the same "have to have a man because I am lonely" routine....don't know why they seem great at first and then become insecure, etc.  

What you said about treating them so well at first that they become accustomed to it is probably the key.  We spoil these guys so they learn to expect it later on when the "newnes" wears off in the relationship.

Don't know if this forum is for you, however, because the topics are just not the same - unless you always end up with a N man and then that would be telling.

kelly

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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2004, 10:34:19 AM »
Sorry to hear about your situation.  Just out of curiosity, have u become stricken with someone else yet? That would be productive in getting out of the current relationship, wouldn't you say?

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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2004, 12:00:17 PM »
dear karma kat,

are you sure that you did not come from a dysfunctional family??  perhaps your parents did not have a good relationship and you got caught in the middle of that, thus, you are an N-enabler and attracting N type of men in your life?  is this possible?  that is the case for me, and it has been liberating to realize it.

i found it useful to excavate and heal the past, in order to deal productively and peacefully with both the present and future.

i have observed in many different cultures. in some asian cultures, the girl is  super sweet and tender in attracting men, only to turn into disgruntled and angry bitches when they get old, after years of being taken advantaged of by the Nmen.  in other cultures, the girls were tough and played hard to get, and were really hard to get.  they seemed to already be bittered by men, probably from observing the previous generation.  many traditional cultures breed N-men and Enabler-women.  beware.  we have only  in recent years gotten enough resourcs to evolve into something better and more equitable.  and i believe living in the US is a good start where we are the most progressive in equality of gender issues.

we are so fortunate to be here, i think.
we still have a long way to go in solving the relationship issues between men and women.  those venus mars books seem to help.  also religious rules et al.  and continued education in all disciplines.