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LilyCat

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BIG boundary (and ethical) issue just happened at work
« on: July 01, 2008, 06:06:21 PM »
While I was making my previous post, something happened that has me really ticked off, and it was something where I had to assert a boundary quite strongly.

-- My friend Karen works for the sales department. Now granted, she is a rather erratic person with her schedule, it's been an issue, but she seems to have worked things out, relatively speaking, even though it must still be an issue with her boss (see what's to come).

This all gets a little confusing because our reporting relationships and structure are so weird here.

She ALWAYS gets her work done, and never lets anything go. It doesn't matter the time, etc. She's always there for the salespeople, and she supports 14 of them singlehandedly.

But when they're not around, she has nothing to do, like now.

The finance guy just said goodbye on his way out the door. Then he asked me if I was still online, I said yes, thinking he wanted something from the internet.

He asked me to send an email on his behalf to our (Karen's and mine) boss, telling him that (her initials) was still here at this time, but hadn't done any work for (I can't remember the time or amount of time, might have been quarter hour, might have been something else.)

I told him no, I wouldn't send it. (His blackberry wasn't working.) (Respectfully, I told him.)

In the first place, it is unethical and unprofessional for him to ask me to do that, considering it's nature.

In the second place, I wouldn't do it if it were about anyone in the office, never mind her. It is just inappropriate.

In the third place, what he's doing is illegal, anyway. If my boss wants this guy to notify him that she or anyone is here/not here, etc., then legally, she needs to be informed or it would not hold up even if they tried to fire her.

In the fourth place, although he works in this office and is the finance guy for our division, his reporting relationship is not through our division. He does not report to our company president, he reports to a finance guy who has several divisions under his authority.

I am so pissed off!

He asked me if I would at least send him an email reminder to send the email to my boss tomorrow, and I refused once but he asked me again so I capitulated. But I didn't include the specifics in what I sent.

I am SOOOO ticked off.

I was going to ask whether I should tell my friend what had happened, but she just came out so I told her. I wanted her to send her boss an email so he knew she was here until 6, which is when she's supposed to stay.

My boss always treats me just fine, but he's got at least two people spying on this girl. It's not right. If she needs supervision, then it's his job to supervise her, not someone else's. (We knew he has these two people telling her everything; the finance guy was not news.)

Probably wasn't a very self-protective thing for me to tell her, but ... I did.

But I am proud of myself for sticking up and saying no to him. That is SOOOOO hard for me. Fortunately we have a pretty good relationship (I think). He said he understood why I wouldn't send it and that was okay. I hope he really does understand that it's not just because of her, that it's because it's wrong.

--- just don't have the words for this!!!! ---

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Re: BIG boundary (and ethical) issue just happened at work
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2008, 06:44:38 PM »
Oh, Lily...  it can be maddening to be put on the spot, that way!

I'm sorry, I don't know what's the best way - in your situation - to address this.
If the "boss" or supervisor is the one who's requested this "spying", then I guess there's no higher-up on the job to whom you can go for remedy?

Truly, I don't see how you could have done any more than you did, in this instance... and I think it took alot of courage to stand up for what you believe is right!

Hopefully, this finance guy will not ask you to do anything similar in future... and they can all just work out their issues with the other employee between themselves, leaving you out of it!  I've been asked to comment on co-workers in the past and I agree with you - if administration wants to check out an employee's activities, then they need to do that personally. I've said so... but then, my job is not a gotta have it or go down the tubes kinda situation.

Love,
Carolyn







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Re: BIG boundary (and ethical) issue just happened at work
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2008, 07:05:15 PM »
Thanks, Carolyn.

I sent myself an email logging the event, then I sent my boss an email naming the superior but not the employee, and explained that I felt I'd been asked to something I felt was inappropriate and unprofessional. I also explained that I told the person in question, since, while I keep confidences, I do not keep secrets. I told him I was not cc'g or bcc'g anyone on the email I was sending him, which I did not. I also said that truthfully, I was not sure what to do in either case, but felt that I should inform him.

It was probably stupid and very unself-protective to tell her, but I did. I just don't see how I could keep that info to myself.

I needed this like a whole in the head today! A whole in the head would have been better!


Carolyn, thank you so much! You are such a constant support for me right now. I'm posting a lot but I just feel like things are coming to pieces...and then things like this happen.

Anyway, thank you. Have a good evening!

xoxo

LC

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Re: BIG boundary (and ethical) issue just happened at work
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2008, 07:14:45 PM »
Dear Lily,

You're welcome! Glad I was here when this sprang on you... goofing off in front of my notebook... lol.  Oh, well, stirfry for supper and not many chores today... plus it's a hot one outdoors.

And I'm learning from you, too... the way you logged this event and followed through - that is just the way I'd like to handle a similar situation.

And Lily - this:   
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I also explained that I told the person in question, since, while I keep confidences, I do not keep secrets.

well, to me, it's brilliant. Very well said! If he doesn't get that, then... well, phooey on him.

Love,
Carolyn

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Re: BIG boundary (and ethical) issue just happened at work
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2008, 07:21:31 PM »
hi Lily

I agree that you handled it very well. You couldn't have done more.

The finance guy is not your boss, so he isn't being fair to ask this of you. It's only your boss, right? who can tell you what your duties are...

...and if your boss asked something weird of you, it would be between you and him.

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Re: BIG boundary (and ethical) issue just happened at work
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2008, 08:07:10 PM »
Thanks, guys. Much appreciated. Yes, if it had been my boss, it would have been entirely different. But I have no reporting relationship to this guy, although I've always tried to have a cordial one. (No one in the office likes him.)

I just hope I didn't s____ myself in telling her, politically.

Well, it's 8:00 and I REALLY need to go home! So I can turn right around and come back in for a few hours tomorrow.

Thank you both, again, so much. It's always helpful to have a reality check.


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Re: BIG boundary (and ethical) issue just happened at work
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2008, 12:15:31 PM »
I just have to tell you, my friend Karen is GOOD! Our boss pulled her into a meeting with the president, and he apologized to her. Which was all very nice.

But then she let them have it, openly and honestly and, I'm sure with some ....err... enthusiasn. She just told me. Is very happy. Both men are TO'd at the guy who asked me to do the email. (I guess. You never know. I don't believe anyone anymore.)

She really let them have it! Some of it on my behalf as well.

SHE is not voiceless! Which is one of the many things I love about her. I guess I live vicariously!!!

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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2008, 12:18:42 PM »
lol... well, good for her, Lily!

Maybe that's a big part of the reason they've had such a watchful eye on Karen all along... I dunno.

Seems like a good possibility... if they're intimidated by her, that might make her a target for their underhanded attempts to take her down.

All that is in my imagination though. I'm glad she's okay!

Love,
Carolyn

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Re: BIG boundary (and ethical) issue just happened at work
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2008, 01:52:58 PM »
Well, I'm not saying she's not without controversy!! But she's a good person and a really hard worker.

Have a great 4th, Carolyn. (And everyone.) Hope you have lots of fun.

I really am leaving now!

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Re: BIG boundary (and ethical) issue just happened at work
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2008, 01:58:42 PM »
Take good care and hug your family, dear Lily.

See you Monday?

Love,
Carolyn

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Re: BIG boundary (and ethical) issue just happened at work
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2008, 08:52:18 AM »
WOW.
A pawn refused to jump.
Held its ground to protect another pawn.

The knight fell over.

I'm so impressed LC... you can release the outcome because you set a boundary and spoke up so very very clearly.

Wowsers.

Hops

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Re: BIG boundary (and ethical) issue just happened at work
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2008, 01:40:16 PM »
LilyCat,

Sometimes all it takes is a great example of integrity and assertiveness for others to SEE THE LIGHT!

Hats off to you and your friend.

But still: Watch your back!

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Re: BIG boundary (and ethical) issue just happened at work
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2008, 10:15:45 AM »
Hi guys, thanks for the encouragement!!

Hops, so good to hear from you, and I LOVED the image of the pawns. How funny.

Dandy, I doubt this guy has seen the light, but at least those who need to know, have seen what's been going on.

Definitely watching our backs. This guy won't let up, we both know that. He'll probably be ok to me (in person) but he's still making nasty faces at her.

Anyway, thanks!