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Lupita

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Question for Teartracks
« on: September 08, 2008, 08:56:17 PM »
I saw a wonderful post in one of my threads by you about seduction. I was busyand could not respond. I came back and see it to respond because it was extremely impacting and it was not there.

What happened?

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Re: Question for Teartracks
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2008, 03:07:22 PM »
The book, The Art of Seduction by Robert Greene is like an artform in its presentation. Have you read it, tt? It's beautifully put together. Reminiscent of bibles you can get that have beautifully researched footnotes on the bottom of each page, etc.

It's a great book on manipulation. Greene has done a couple of other great books, as well.

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Re: Question for Teartracks
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2008, 05:26:12 PM »



Hi CB,

Thanks for the encouragement not to second guess myself.  I think it is a feature of my dysfunctional side that will take a bit of undoing.

I'm very happy to hear all the things you're learning in your current relationship.  Sounds both fun and challenging.  But what relationship isn't.  Right?

tt


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Re: Question for Teartracks
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2008, 05:37:24 PM »



Hi dandylife,

I'm always up for another good read.  Having you give Greene's book a good review is enough for me to get my hands on it soon.   Yeh, I did notice that he has written others as well.  Have you read the others?   He writes about manipulation, eh?  I'm surprised that my screen didn't start dripping green pus at the mention of his name for I can usually 'smell' manipulation!

Thanks,

tt



   

dandylife

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Re: Question for Teartracks
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2008, 09:44:49 PM »
whoa tt,

I said the book has a beautiful PRESENTATION. It's kind of like a metaphor - the bible - the book of manipulation - how he has it laid out like the Bible? I don't know if he meant it as a metaphor, a joke, ??? I just don't know.

What I'm saying is that it IS a great read - but looking at it from a WARNING: CAUTION AHEAD standpoint.

One of the other books Greene wrote is Art of War. I'm not saying these are bad books, but definitely not lovey-dovey, touchy feely.

You want to come into them with full armor if you do proceed.

I am all for learning from all angles, though.

Just an added note of caution.

Love,
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Lupita

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Re: Question for Teartracks
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2008, 08:37:25 PM »
Hi Teartracks, your thread is so good so good so good, that I have to respond to it on the weekend so I am not so tired and give the response that it deserves.

This thread is an eye opener and it even make me scared of so much dating I have been doing lately.

Thank you Teartracks.

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Re: Question for Teartracks
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2008, 09:35:11 PM »



Hi Lupita,

Take your time dear one.

tt

dandylife

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Re: Question for Teartracks
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2008, 08:17:04 PM »
This is a short excerpt from the Preface of Art of Seduction

Thousands of years ago, power was mostly gained through physical violence and maintained with brute strength. There was little need for subtlety – a king or emperor had to be merciless. Only a select few had power but no one suffered under this scheme of things more than women. They had no way to compete, no weapon at their disposal that could make a man do what they wanted – politically, socially, or even in the home.

Of course men had one weakness: their insatiable desire for sex. A woman could always toy with this desire, but once she gave in to sex the man was back in control; and if she withheld sex, he could simply look elsewhere – or exert force.

…There were some women who, over the years through much cleverness and creativity, invented a way of turning the dynamite around, creating a more lasting and effective form of power.

(There's more...)
Robert Greene

I found the book fascinating in an otherworldly kind of way. It talks about royalty who used the different techniques in the book. There are profiles of different types of seducers. It's really very interesting. I guess it seemed harmless in a way as it was so out of the realm of everyday. But maybe that's what makes it a good little warning system - it bonks you over the head with the techniques and profiles and then you start seeing these techniques and profiles in some of the people you are around every day. It's kind of cool.

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Re: Question for Teartracks
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2008, 04:05:29 PM »


Hi CB,

One of the things that struck me when I read it, was that the author presupposes that the person doing the seducing is doing it with evil intent.  I wonder if that is always true?

This statement rings true for me.  I found it  in a blog discussing seduction and manipulation: 

 manipulating people to get what you do not deserve, be it by force or by seduction is still manipulation. One is admittedly more pleasant than the other, but that is not the relevant factor. The relevant factor is the manipulation.
http://aphilosopher.wordpress.com/2008/02/17/seduction-and-manipulation/

It seems in this bloggers opinion, the worm turns for the bad when one person uses either S or M to get what they do not deserve.

tt



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Lupita

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Re: Question for Teartracks
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2008, 07:54:09 AM »
Does anybody know how can you discenr if a mand is reflecting you because he has hidden intentions, or because he is not intelligent enough to say something interesting?

How do you know that you are being groomed? Or seduced?

What if he wants to be with you all the time?