Author Topic: Terrific summary article on Narcissistic Personality Disorder  (Read 1817 times)

Dr. Richard Grossman

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From Slate Magazine:  But Enough About You …What is narcissistic personality disorder, and why does everyone seem to have it?
By Emily Yoffe, March 18, 2009,   http://www.slate.com/id/2213740/

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Re: Terrific summary article on Narcissistic Personality Disorder
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2009, 01:13:56 AM »
Thank you for posting that  link, Dr. Grossman.

Something about that reminded me of Lasch's "The Culture of Narcissism".  Which I have not thought of in many years.  So surprisingly, I remember reading it the year it came out, though I remember little about it.  Of course, I had no clue at the time at how significant narcissism was in my life.

In this article the sentences that shocked me were these:
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It's about at age 5 that children start realizing their feelings are not just the result of other people or events but occur within themselves, and that they have control over them. But this understanding does not take place for the narcissist, who continues to see all internal states as having an external cause. Because of narcissists' inability to control their own emotions, they unconsciously experience the world as constantly threatening—thus the tendency toward inexplicable rages, the wild overreactions to the slightest perception of criticism.

Do most people really realize that their emotions occur within themselves by the age of 5?  That is so far outside of my experience and what I hear others say that I am absolutely in shock over this.  In fact, I think I will begin to survey people to see if how their experience compares.  As a mother of an 8 year old, I don't know of any children who actually understand that their emotions come from within.  Children, as a line of first defense, blame others for everything.  A slight bump is always intentional.  An unkindness is clearly directed at them.  I have to say that I think this is WAY off.  From my perspective, it takes extreme maturity to understand that emotional reactions are really about an intermal reaction rather than caused by others.  In fact, I know few adults who truly understand that.

What do you think?

BTW - great article Dr. Grossman.  Thanks for the link.

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Re: Terrific summary article on Narcissistic Personality Disorder
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2009, 05:14:08 AM »
Thanks for the link, Dr. G

Nice to see something, not written by Vaknin, yet points out the N behaviour of those we hear of/see in the news (I've been waiting to see if Octomum was connected to the N word.) and validates some thoughts of mine.

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Re: Terrific summary article on Narcissistic Personality Disorder
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2009, 11:14:16 AM »
Excellent overview....and glad to see the topic get some coverage in the mainstream media....

A couple of points in the article I found the most intriguing:

If it's true that our Nmothers, for example, inherit the N from their own mothers and thus are not capable of empathy for others, how is it that some children of Ns are extremely empathetic while others become Ns themselves?

Also, if it's true that Narcissism is becoming increasingly prevalent amongst today's population (I hardly believe the 1% figure cited in the article), then why are so few therapists willing to diagnose it or at least recognize its effects in children of Ns?  When will the mental health community take this personality disorder seriously?

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Re: Terrific summary article on Narcissistic Personality Disorder
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2009, 11:47:17 AM »
I'm thinking that only a therapist that lived with an N could diagnose an N. There are books and discusions about it, but if you haven't lived with one and saw the changes with the ducking and weaving around things and the never ending twisting of thoughts and words and the hidden anger...well....just my thoughts. Having drug my NH to different therapist, my experience was that  after asking found out that the therapist never lived with one and were relying on what the N said...and you know that you can't trust that! NH wouldn't stay in therapy either because all of a sudden...the therapist was stupid...I'd say they were asking too many questions that he wasn't answering the same way twice! They are shifty! N's don't want to be diagnosed. There is nothing wrong with them :? Just ask one!

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Re: Terrific summary article on Narcissistic Personality Disorder
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2009, 02:34:47 PM »
My favorite sentence in the article was:

Narcissists love to leave posthumous landmines in their wills.

Sun, some children of Nmothers have a gentler parent--one who feels empathy (even if they're codependent or ineffectual against the N disorder). Or even any other adult in their lives who shows human feeling...I think that can help children of Ns not necessarily turn out fully N themselves.

Me, I'm repulsed at times by the Nspots in my own self. I know I do not have NPD, but I have some of the traits clear as a bell. The only thing that saves me from self-loathing is that when they move within, I feel them and I fight back. Don't always succeed but I never let it slide without reckoning with myself.

It's like Whack-a-Mole. I don't like it.

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